Is or was Van Jones a "truther"  |
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| The short answer is, no, he isn't. Most people in the 9-11 truth movement are political libertarians, though most libertarians AREN'T in fact truthers, it is a movement deviod of the two big political parties as they believe that both are part of a larger shadow government known as the "NWO". However, I wanted to investigate this a little further, so I went straight to the source, got it from the horses mouth so to speak, I went right to "truthers". I now submit to you, the following document, please note signitory number 46: http://www.911truth.org/a... In fairness, Van Jones is claiming he didn't understand what he was signing, but is this something we can believe of someone as intelligent as Jones? I don't know what to think about that, I supose it is POSSIBLE he didn't understand what he was signing or it is possible he did know full well and was either a.) jumping on a popular anti-Bush bandwagon at the time or b.) sincerely believed the Bush adminsitraion was in fact either behind it or had prior knowlege and ignored it either out of incompetence or the realization that it presented great oportunity. SO, I am just curious to hear all your thoughts on the matter. Please, before responding here, PLEASE READ ALL THE OTHER RESPONSES TO THE THREAD, and also, please, avoid canned responses such as "where were you when so and so was doing such and such". | | | | | |
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1. Rollo1 (2827)
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3 years ago
| | Honestly, I think he signed it because it was anti-Bush and maybe also because there were a lot of glitzy, famous and glamorous people who were also signing it. Sort of like fame through association. But I doubt he didn't know what it was that he signed. This is the least of his associations that concern me. He has so many others that are downright worrisome and anti-American that this is like a footnote to me. Even his nasty mouth that he's apologized for (yeah, like I buy that apology) is not a big problem for me. It's his ties to these other organizations that were and are radical and Communist. There are no rumors here, we have his own words and video of him speaking them to support those allegations. The liberals support these satellite people to their own peril. This blindness of party affiliation being supreme is dangerous to our country, regardless of which party you support. People need to look beyond party loyalty and make loyalty to our country supreme. Truthfully, I think we're in deep sh1t. | | | | | | |
xfahctor (7620)
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3 years ago
| | I am inclined to believe this too. I think he was just jumping on a popular bandwagon at the time. I'll bet he never imagined it would come back to haunt him though. | | | |
Rollo1 (2827)
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3 years ago
| | I have to amend my opinion based on this: "Jones was on the organizing committee of a 2002 protest march in San Francisco that demanded inquiries into the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States. In 2004, Jones was one of "100 notable Americans" who signed a "911 Truth Statement" from 911Truth.org. The statement called "for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war." Jones' name appears as "Van Jones, executive director, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights", signer number 46 to the document. In September of 2009, Jones issued a statement regarding the 9/11 truth letter saying "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever." However, 911Truth.org spokesman Mike Berger was quoted by The Washington Times as saying organization board members "spoke with each person on the list by phone or through email to individually confirm they had added their name to that list. I think in most cases they spoke to them personally. No one’s name was put on that list without them knowing it.” A White House official explained Jones' signature by saying that he did not review the document carefully before signing it." | | | |
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2. debrakcarey (2673)
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3 years ago
| | If you call a dog's tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? FOUR...calling a tail a leg, does not make it a leg. Van Jones admitted to being a communist. We can try to call him a decent American who only wants to clean up our environment...but he's still a communist. His attitude has been documented and if the White House stands by him...we can then rest assured that the White House agrees with his attitude. | | | | | | |
xfahctor (7620)
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3 years ago
| | I suspect that come tuesday, he will be writing his resume, I cannot see him remaining in this position much longer, not with the endless parade of controversy that has come to light the last few weeks or so. Marque my words, I am predicting he is gone with in a week, or less. | | | |
debrakcarey (2673)
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3 years ago
| | you don't think that Obama will find a way to make this all go away as he's done with other controversy? | | | |
xfahctor (7620)
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3 years ago
| | yep, he'll probably make it go away by tossing jones under the proverbial bus and making HIM go away. | | | |
Taskr36 (6781)
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3 years ago
| | It worked well enough when he did it to Wright and Ayers. I'm sure it'll work now. | | | |
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3. milkmaid (375)
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3 years ago
| | I am not familiar with Jones, so I really can't speak as to his motivation in signing it. I have a hard time believing that anyone with half a brain would read the proposal and not understand it though. The questions that they are asking are all valid questions. We know that there were warnings that were ignored, and that fact alone deserves deeper investigation than what the 9/11 Commission was willing to allow. I am not really a conspiracy theorist, but I do realize that there are frequently abuses of power and manipulation to achieve a goal that is not publicly stated. I watched the film "Zeitgeist", and it raises some of the same questions that the 9-11 Truth movement is asking as well, which have not been answered to my satisfaction. | | | | | | |
xfahctor (7620)
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3 years ago
| | I guess you could call me a "truther" in that I too, want the "truth" about what happened that day and the events leading up to it. DO I believe it was an orchestrated attack by a shadow government and the cia? No, but I do believe there are things we haven't been told. I have been called a conspiricy theorist for some of my beliefs about our government, to which I usualy respond, "if I am a conspiricy theorist, does that make you a coincidence theorist?" lol. But such things are beyond the scope of this particular thread. I just wanted to point out 2 things..... 1.) Van Jones DID in fact sign the petition 2.) Jones is not a member of the truth movement and the movement hates him as much as they hate just about anyone else in the government. | | | |
milkmaid (375)
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3 years ago
| | Purely to satisfy my curiosity, do you think 9-11 was allowed to happen? (Not was it a planned effort, but did someone high up know about it, and do nothing to prevent it.) | | | |
xfahctor (7620)
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3 years ago
| | I don't know that it was nessesarily allowed to happen, I just believe they didn't give enough credibility to the intelligence that may have pointed to an iminent attack. I DO believe how ever the Bush administration used this in disgusting and shameless fashion to push an authoritarian agenda and to get us to accept things like homeland security, the patriot act, warrentless wiretapping, etc. I don't think the administration allowed it to happen or planned it, but I think they definately saw it as an oportunity and exploited it to the fullest. | | | |
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Taskr36 (6781)
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3 years ago
| | "I DO believe how ever the Bush administration used this in disgusting and shameless fashion to push an authoritarian agenda and to get us to accept things like homeland security, the patriot act, warrentless wiretapping, etc." This I agree with 100%. He used it to further an authoritarian agenda the same way Obama is using the financial crisis. Both played on the fear mongering to accomplish things that people wouldn't ordinarily support. It's as Rahm Emanuel said, never let a good crisis go to waste. As for 9-11, I think there was a massive breakdown in communication between agencies, the majority of which occurred during the Clinton administration when terrorists launched several attacks against our people. | | | |
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4. gewcew23 (5064)
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3 years ago
| | One thing I want to clarify is that Van Jones is no libertarian, either small or big l. I am a Libertarian and I have to found anything the we could possible agree on. As to whether or not Van Jones is or not a truther does not actually bother me. If someone said that they believe 9-11 was an inside job but I agreed if their view of the role of government for say, I would see nothing wrong with them. The bigger issue is all of Van Jones's other ideas and beliefs. | | | | | | |
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5. kennyrose (5047)
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3 years ago
| | I think this is the lesser problems for Van Jones he is on viedo talking to his people telling them white people are poisoning black people in black community's because of the white man's injustice. Van Jones is on a number of anti-American video tape his own words had condemned him he can back peddle all he wants but his day's are numbered as Obama's closest adviser at least in side the gates of the white house. I guess it is okay with some American's Obama has many anti-Americans in his close circle naming a very short list Bill Ayers,Jeremiah Wright,Louis Farrakhan,Van Jones. Van Jones has condemned himself with his own words he is on video tape clearly saying he went in to jail a black nationalist and after six month's he came out a communist. The American people and Fox News is calling for Van Jones to be fired by Barack Obama,if Obama fails to do the right thing he will face the heat of the people he promised he would serve,Obama's polling any way you cut it has fell out of favor with the majority of the American people. Obama has two choices he will remain the Chicago community organizer or lead the people from the center it is his choice,so far he has been what he has been over some twenty year's the Chicago community organizer attacking citizens who do not agree with him and smearing people it worked in Chicago but not working so well for him in Washington D.C. ABC NEWS A top environmental official of the Obama administration issued a statement Thursday apologizing for past incendiary statement and denying that he ever agreed with a 2004 petition on which his name appears, a petition calling for congressional hearings and an investigation by the New York Attorney General into "evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur." Van Jones, the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, is Number 46 of the petitioners from the so-called "Truther" movement which suggests that people in the administration of President George W. Bush "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war." In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever." He did not explain how his name came to be on the petition. An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name. | | | | | | |
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6. AngryKittyMSV (1913)
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3 years ago
| | I don't know for sure whether or not he's a truther, but I DO know he is an ex-con and a communist and that he has publicly stated that Republicans are "assh0les". Not exactly the guy I'd choose to be in an unaccountable high powered position as a "special adviser" to the president. See for yourself: (mylot won't let me post the link as-is, so I have to replace the "a" with an "@" and you will have to change the "@" to an "a" in your addressbar to get to the story) http://www.foxnews.com/po... | | | | | | |
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7. anniepa (11668)
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3 years ago
| | I also think it could be possible he didn't fully understand what he was signing but I think the more likely explanation is that in that emotional time shortly after 9/11 I think it was pretty easy to be pulled into a "conspiracy theory" of sorts even for someone intelligent and educated like Van Jones. If you throw in the fact he likely didn't like Bush or others in his Administration, that makes it easier to understand. I'm no "truther" or conspiracy theorist but I don't think the questions this group has are all that outrageous or unreasonable. I still have questions I'd like to have answered and I know I'm not the only one. I don't believe anyone in the Bush Administration was "behind" the attacks but I do think there was some incompetence involved. Annie | | | | | | |
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