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myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism4 months ago

Thank goodness the girls are on top of their homework and other paperwork, because getting Cary organized seems like a full time job sometimes.

Last night Richard started him on his homework, the spelling. The he asked me if spelling is all he has. Well silly me, I thought he had checked the planner. I looked at it the day before, saw spelling was all by itself one day, just assumed he was doing the spelling on the right day. Well yesterday was math, today was spelling. He never looked at the dang planner before he started on it.

New rule - whoever starts the homework is responsible for checking the planner and making sure they know what is supposed to be worked on that day (actually I thought that WAS the rule). Or maybe I should just check it every day myself.:-)

But the larger problem is Cary and how to get him to take responsibility for his own stuff. If somebody doesn't make him start the homework and tell him which one to do, it doesn't happen. He knows the planner says what homework is due on what day. And then we do it, we make sure it's in his backpack and somehow it doesn't get turned in. It's not always homework. This morning I found his book order that was due last Thursday on the floor of the car.

His sister is the same age and she was able to (mostly) stay on top of these things. Granted, his sister doesn't have autism.

So I wonder how much to make allowances for the autism and how much to hold him responsible for. For now I guess we're just going to have to go over it with him over and over again until he (hopefully) "gets" the routine...

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5235)   ranked 207 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

hiya Dawn

Only you will know how much of it is down to his autism and how much of it is normal boy-like irresponsibility rolleyes If you can keep goingover things with him I'm sure he will get the routine eventually...if not then I guess he's pulling your leg whistle

Alice happy


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

And believe me the boy is fully capable of taking advantage!!!


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5235)   ranked 207 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

lol it's a natural thing for kids to do though! I remember having to threaten mine with grounding if they didn't do their homework, this worked with my youngest because she was the outdoor type, but my eldest... thumbdown she didn't like going out anyway... so her pocket money was confiscated lol


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Something needs to happen. He's old enough to feed himself, surely he could do homework if he wanted to. But it's hard for him so he doesn't want to. What would Supernanny do, I wonder? lol


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5235)   ranked 207 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

That would be interesting to know, has she ever worked with autistic children?


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Well now you're going to be sorry you asked because I have a story.:-)

When I lived in Los Angeles, Supernanny hadn't aired here yet. I was at the mall with the kids and they were running around like crazy people not listening to my while I was ordering pizza for them. Somebody came up to me and told me this new show where they'd get me a nanny and pay me for it too. They got my name and later on somebody called me. As soon as I mentioned that Cary had autism he cut me off and said they weren't doing any kids with disabilities.

The following season they aired an episode with an autistic kid. lol

My kids were never as out of control as the ones on that show though, so I'm sure we wouldn't have gotten on in any case...


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1086)   ranked 9 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

HAHAHA! If you get a response from supernanny email me immediately. LOL. You said your daughter has problems keeping up with it. Are they on the same mental level? At our house as soon as you come home from school we go through the backpack and papers to see what needs to be done. I look and then give the papers out. I will ask if there was any homework before I unzip the back pack just to see if she is keeping up with it. This is for a "normal" first grader. My autistic son is four with the mental capacity of a two year old. I know there wouldn't be any hope of him keeping track of homework. LOL Only you can decide what you can hold your son accountable for because of the autism. You need to guess at his mental level.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

lol the Supernanny thing was over 4 years ago!

First problem, the husband picks the kids up. I get home and sometimes he has started homework with them and sometimes not. He generally doesn't look through the backpacks and by the time I'm home and dinner's over things are scattered all over the place.

But Cary's twin is more precocious than he is. She doesn't have the problems with language that he has. She's a year ahead of him, actually. And last year she did have a bit of a problem remembering things but there were consequences and she learned from them.

My son does have a good memory and I think he's capable of remembering with enough repetition (I hope)...


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5235)   ranked 207 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Well i hope the person that approached you got sacked! Maybe they did and then the show felt obliged to feature that particular episode thumbup


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Oh it wasn't the person who approached me who turned us down, it was the guy who called us later. Anyway I'm sure they had NO idea!


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1086)   ranked 9 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Well at least you can say you had the chance to be a celebrity, but your children just weren't out of control enough. LOL


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

I'm just as happy that they weren't!


myLot reputation of 93/100. msfrancisco9369 (2136)   ranked 46 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

you are right... this kind of behavior is also true to kids with no autism so how much more those who are in this spectrum...they need extra patience to keep with their pace.
as a mom of two kids with autism, we need to be on top of everything and let them feel the need to be responsible---the process may be painful but let's always let them feel our love and care behind that being strict and imposing some rules for them to take and follow.
hugs for carey!


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5235)   ranked 207 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Well said MsFransico thumbup I have no idea how hard it must be for you mums with autistic children, but you've certainly got it right about letting them feel responsible happy


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Yeah it's just sometimes hard to decide where to draw the line between making them be responsible and pushing them too hard.

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. aslanlight (1575)   ranked 63 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

'So I wonder how much to make allowances for the autism....'

I think that you have to go at his pace and let him dictate what he can and will do? Right?


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

I don't want to let him dictate too much or he will definitely take advantage!


myLot reputation of 93/100. aslanlight (1575)   ranked 63 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Hummm I've read that autistic people are often extremely intelligent! I'm just concerned that pushing people too much can be negative and for those with autism it might be even worse. You're the expert though.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

You are right, he gets upset and whiny if he's pushed too much. He needs frequent breaks and the approach makes a difference in how cooperative he is. But at the same time he can't be allowed to get away with too much either.


myLot reputation of 93/100. aslanlight (1575)   ranked 63 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

It must be very tough for you and him!


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

can be very frustrating....
Last night's exercise was "eat all your dinner". And his sister was targeted more than he was because she complains and barely eats any when we make 'real food'. So she had to eat all her chicken and peas and he had to eat all his mac and cheese. But when he started vomiting it back out, I had to concede defeat on that one...


myLot reputation of 93/100. aslanlight (1575)   ranked 63 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Awwwwwwwww Yes you couldn't do much about that.

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3. myLot reputation of 93/100. ANTIQUELADY (11603)   ranked 80 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

I'm sorry cary has this problem. I have no experience w/a child w/autism except i use to cut a friend's grandson that had it. We just have to love our kids no matter how they try our patience & they all do at times even when they are grown, lol.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

that is for certain!

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4. myLot reputation of 100/100. jillhill (11840)   ranked 278 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

Wow....that's alot for all of you...But good for you to have the patience to get through it....and hopefully he will get the routine soon!


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Oh I hope so. Maybe instead of us reading the planner, we should make him read it and tell us which homework goes with today's entry...

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5. myLot reputation of 94/100. cloudwatcher (3491)   ranked 112 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

I have helped a friend with her autistic son for a number of years. I am sure there are differences in autistic children, but with her son, it was essential to stick to a routine. He could not stand change of any sort. While he loved coming to my house, if his mother wanted to make an unplanned stop to see me, he went berserk.

Being a highly organised person myself I believe most children respond well to a routine - not a hard core, dictator-type routine which allows no fun or leeway, but a systematic way of doing things. When this is followed, things are done more quickly and efficiently and allows more time for leisure.

I don't suppose this helps you or answers your question, but if Cary was able to be organised on arrival home, things might go more smoothly.




myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

I have no control over the arrival home, but I am going to suggest to Richard that he and Cary read what's in the planner together and that he have Cary find the homework for the day instead of us telling him what his homework is.

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6. myLot reputation of 95/100. riyasam (10895)   ranked 170 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

dealing with kids is pretty confusing,my elder daughter is very un-organised while my younger son is just the opposite,one thing is sure,they make me a lot patient.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

Yep they do...
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7. myLot reputation of 93/100. msfrancisco9369 (2136)   ranked 46 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

hi dawnald,
per my experience having 2 sons with autism you really have to patient. maximum tolerance for your patience. before they live with it and really make it as a routine you have to repeat the process on and on. please don't be frustrated you have a big role to take in making him organize. just stand by him and never give up. in time you will be amaze of how youo created an impact on him as it relates to being organize and having that patient to accomplish something.
have someone to debrief and process with-- a support partner or group. it will really help.
god bless and i know you and your kid can make it.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

We're going to make him read the entry in the planner and find the homework that goes with it before we start working with him. If we do it every day, hopefully by June he'll get it. lol

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8. myLot reputation of 78/100. dhugoi (211)   ranked 281 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

I think allowances vary on the level of autism from child to child.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

That is very true. My son is pretty high functional, so we expect more from him than from somebody who's non verbal, for example.

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9. myLot reputation of 96/100. good2go2001 (496)   ranked 90 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

I can totally relate to this. I have 6 children 3 with autism. The children with austim are 11, 12 and 21. It is a huge challenge at our house with home work. The 11 year old loves school and wants to please so home gets done right on time and turned in on time. The 12 year old son is the one i have problems with....starting homework, remembering, staying on task, focusing issues, organization issues! The whole 9 yards with him. School just started here so one of the biggest things is getting back into a schedule. Last year we used a picture cue....picture symbol for homework about 3 inches by 3 inches velcored it to the fridge and he couldnt remove it until he had completed all homework and i looked it over. He really wanted to take his sign off the fridge because that was a cue to him that he had free time after it was off. Im not sure the age of your son but ive had great sucsess with PECS (picture Exchange Communitation System) Ive been very fortunate that my children with autsim are all verbal but the PECS really help them to stay forcused on completing taskes and routines.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

My son just turned 9. I know nothing at all about PECS. Google here I come...


myLot reputation of 96/100. good2go2001 (496)   ranked 90 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

If you have any questions about pecs feel free to message me and i can find you the links to learn more about it. Have a great day


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

I had a quick look. Is it more for kids who are non-verbal? I would love to have the links if you wouldn't mind. Thanks!


myLot reputation of 97/100. GardenGerty (20572)   ranked 78 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

I am not familiar with that program, but any additional form of communication, like PECS or sign language just goes that much further towards helping in your situation. When we had inservices on Autism, we were taught that primarily it was a disorder of communication.

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10. myLot reputation of 97/100. GardenGerty (20572)   ranked 78 out of 387 in autism   4 months ago

What does the school say your role should be? Are there any modifications for him because he is autistic? I think if you get the papers into the bookbag, he or someone at school SHOULD be able to check the bag and get them out. I know he needs a lot of structure. You guys are great to be helping him so much.


myLot reputation of 95/100. dawnald (10373)   ranked 11 out of 387 in autism  4 months ago

we may have to request that, but I'm going to try repetition for a bit first and then we shall see...

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