What's worse than dealing with a government department?
By mipen2006
@mipen2006 (5528)
Australia
September 29, 2009 3:25pm CST
Why, dealing with two government departments of course! I am trying to deal with the Social Security, and Immigration department arms of the Australian Government, and it's driving me crazy. First Immigration, over four weeks ago,I applied for an extension on my wife's tourist visa, and we had to prove she could financially be supported, and her health was OK. I rang the department, and told, they are waiting to make a decision. Surley it's yes, or no. I believe all the critea has been addressed,so an answer should be provided. We can't make plans, as I don't know if they are for one or two.
Then there is Social Security. I have to stay in Australia for two years before I can recieve my pension in Thailand. My pension was granted in December 2008, but I returned to Thailand in 2009, when my wife's mother was very ill, for four months, the pension was cancelled for this time. I asked Centrelink, Australia's Social Security amr, could they tell me when my two years started, in 2008, or 2009. If, 2008, then I will be able to join my wife at the end of next year. Two months have passed, and still no reply to my request. Do you like dealing with government departments? How about sharing your experiences. Thanks.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
21 Nov 09
Oh, mipen! I can understand and TOTALLY sympathize AND empathize with you!
I just posted yet another discussion about our Social Security Administration AND Bureau of Support Enforcement (child support collection agency). Both of those government agencies have been screwing up for YEARS now! I'm not talking one or two years, no. It's been going on for seven years with Social Security and over 20 years with the Bureau of Support Enforcement!
My ex owes me just under $14,000.00 in child support arrears. I've been fighting them for over 20 years to go after my ex. I've always done all the legwork for them, things they are supposed to be doing but never have. I've paid for services to track down my ex each time he would move to avoid paying. Sometimes, I'd notify the Bureau about him getting ready to move again to avoid paying and they would do absolutely nothing until months AFTER he moved!
I just received a letter in the mail from them yesterday, telling me that they were closing my case against my ex because, they say, he owes less than $500.00. HUH????? According to my records and their own website, he owes almost $14,000.00 so I have no idea how they came up with him owing less than $500.00!
Then, I've been fighting Social Security for over seven years now to get disability insurance. I worked for 40 years and paid into this system just for the time when I could no longer work or when I retired. They JUST approved me this past August, yet I didn't receive anything until this past Wednesday!
Yet, I received another letter from them today, telling me that they need more information if I am to qualify for SSI (Supplemental Security Income). SSI is for disabled people who have not worked enough to qualify for Disability. It was established that I DID earn more than enough to qualify for Disability, which means I'll be getting more money each month than what SSI pays. Not only are they telling me I have to call them if I want SSI, but they sent it to my maiden name, which I have not used for over 4 years now! I notified them of my married name when I first got remarried. They've been sending me mail in my married name all this time, yet all of a sudden, they're back to using my maiden name?????
Oh, and the child support letter also came to my maiden name, not my married name. They, also, know my married name. I notified them 4 years ago of the change. It was even reflected in their records online until recently, when it went back to my maiden name.
So, yes, I can understand and sympathize with your dilemma. I honestly think that all governments hire the most stupid people they can find! Oh, I'm not saying that all government workers are stupid, not at all. I've known some very intelligent government workers. It's just that the ones I've encountered have all been more stupid than a rock.
I do hope that you'll be able to get the information you need very soon. I would love to give you hope but, because of my ongoing insanity dealing with my government, I think you'll hear from them when one of the workers decides to finally address your issues. Good luck!!!
@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
21 Nov 09
Hi mentalward, Thank you for your detailed reply. I'm happy to report that I finally have a reply to one of my queries, and they responded to a 'snsil mail' I sent after getting nothing from their web site, or the many emails I sent them. The response was very favourable also. However, it was verbal, so I still need a written verification.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
30 Sep 09
I have been wondering how your arrangements have been going and whether your wife’s visa has been extended but why am I not surprised that you still haven’t been given an answer? It is all sitting at the bottom of someone’s in tray probably and they will get around to it!
And as far as Centrelink goes, keep calling them over and over again; it’s like a lottery and you may eventually come out a winner and actually get someone on the line who knows what he or she is talking about; believe it or not it has happened...Once...Maybe twice...
Good luck, mate!
And as far as Centrelink goes, keep calling them over and over again; it’s like a lottery and you may eventually come out a winner and actually get someone on the line who knows what he or she is talking about; believe it or not it has happened...Once...Maybe twice...
Good luck, mate!
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@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
30 Sep 09
Thanks for the support paula. We are still waiting, and what makes it difficult, I have to make plans, and housesitting arrangements, and I don't know whether to go for single or double sits. In the meantime, my wife is on a bridging visa, and she is worried that an immigration offficer will knock on our door at any time and take her away. They have no feelings in those places.
As far as Centrelink go, what they say is according to Australian law, but I want to know when my time started. Unfortunately, the overseas division of Centrelink is located in Hobart. Probably a very good reason for this too, if you get my drift!
Thanks, and take care. Mike.
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@kykidd (6812)
• United States
29 Sep 09
I am glad to hear that it isn't just the United States government that is difficult to work with. I guess it is any government body, as they have so many people to keep track of. I suppose they have more customers than any other business. LOL
I, myself, haven't really had too harsh of a time, at least not recently that I can recall. I think the most difficult thing that I have had to do is actually get a live person on the phone to ask them a question about taxes.
My boyfriend, on the other hand, is now going through a mess with the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. He has a motorcycle which he put in the back of the barn years ago when it wouldn't run. Recently he started restoring it. When he went to get new license plates, they told him he couldn't and wouldn't explain why.
Instead told him to get a police check. Then, when he brought that in, they still didn't want to say why, but told him he had to do a title search...even though he has the title. Evidently, someone else now has this title in their name. And he has to do all of the legwork and find out why, even though they aren't aloud to answer his questions.
Yes, the government can be difficult with all of their red tape!
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@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
30 Sep 09
Hi kykidd, your's is a typical example of the workings of most government departments around the world, 'tell the customer as little as posible, try to confuse them when possible, and remember, you're the government, so you don't need reasons! Thanks for your input.
@tigeraunt (6326)
• Philippines
30 Sep 09
hi mipen,
personally i have not experienced dealing with immigration but social security i have. i dont understand why going to thailand would cancel your pension. is it something in the contract that you are not supposed to go out of the country? but it is already pension, why not try to read on the rules again.
i dont settle down when they say i should wait for a month. i keep calling and going to their office especially if due date has lapsed. i dont care if they get annoyed but i want my answer. i guess you should write them a letter copy furnish their higher ups. then keep calling and going to their office. i know its time consuming and irritating. but what else can you do?
hey, try asking for legal opinion, see a lawyer.
ann
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@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
30 Sep 09
Hi tigeraunt, unfortunately, a law was passed in 1999, when I was already teaching in Thailand, and this stated that a person must be recieving the Australian pension for a period of two years before they can recieve that pension in an overseas country, unless that country has a social security agreement with with Australia. Unfortunately Thailand doesn't have an agreement. Thanks for your reply ann. Mike





