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myLot reputation of 83/100. wmraul (1155)   ranked 3 out of 8 in the truth about communism 3 years ago

For long decades the West, the so called "democracy" has hidden behind the iron curtain, curtain created in fact thru a close colaboration between West and East in a way that as less as possible real info to be exchanged.
Here, east of the curtain, we were "looking" at West as there would be the "Promissed Land". We didn't know there we are not quite welcome .. but that is not a real issue, after all.
The real issue and the big hole in West knowledge is that average people there have no idea what was here, what communist regime was, what we were told and enforced to belive .. and so on.
Of course, even if in West was never the Heaven on Earth, still was prefferable ..
I will start this "the truth about communism" serie as some good mylot friends asked me to do and also because I saw some people from West who seems not to know what communism was, is and will be.
For the start chapter, I would like to introduce you in the "world" of a communist political prison from my country, called "Sighet", as the village/city nearby.
Here were ONLY political prisoners. Some of them, big political names of former romanian governments from before communism. Among those, Iuliu Maniu, ex 3 times romanian prime minister ...
But here were political prisoners also regular people. Men, women, all alike. Workers, students, priests, teachers, scientists, engineers, officers, farmers .. and often people who's only guilt was that they were childrens of an ex-rich guy, factory owners or businessmans ..
Yes, being the son or daughter of someone communists don't like wa enough to reach into a political prison. With big chances to never get out .. Sound familiar?Attached is a picture of few political prisoners from communist prison Sighet. Also on my photos I have uploaded several pictures from that prison .. just to make an idea ..

Well ?


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tags:  anticommunism, political prisoners, romania, truth
 
1. myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)   ranked 1 out of 8 in the truth about communism   3 years ago

Hi wmrual, thanks for adding this new interest 'truth behind communism'. I expect that it will be very revealing, probably harrowing. Too many in the west only know the theories behind communism and have no concept of the ways in which people were forced to live and the constant surveillance of secret police making one afraid of everyones neighbour,.
So how long after communism started did these political prisons come into effect, and were they there for the whole duration? Any idea how many just disappeared inside them?


myLot reputation of 83/100. wmraul (1155)   ranked 3 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

Sighet prison was build in 1897, was regular prison in 1918, in 1950 become political prison and more than 100 high officers, ex-minister, political leaders, jurnalists and this kinda people were bring here, along with about 50 priests.

Sighet was officialy a "hard work prison" yet here torture, huniliation and stuff was something normal. Purpose ? "Elimination" of "antisocial" elements. Lot of them very "dangerous" people .. aged over 60 years old .. alike men and women.

Officialy in 1955 Sighet ceased to be a political prison, yet .. by coincidence in the area is also an psyhiatric hospital .. you got the point ..

In 1977 communists closed this prison and first they re-branded as a brooms factory, later as salt depot ..

As far as I know, Sighet is one of the top 3 places nominate by Europe Council as "places to keep the memory" or similar, along with the Auschwitz museum and peace museum of Normandie.

Disapeared ? Hard to count ...


myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)   ranked 1 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

Well you inspired a bit more reading wmraul and in 2007 the numbers of victims under the communist regime was estimated as being between half a million and two million in Romania, but no details on how many of them actually went through the prison system of just disappeared.


myLot reputation of 83/100. wmraul (1155)   ranked 3 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

I tend more to rely on things I have seen, lived ..

As about the "estimate at 500 k up to 2 millions" .. I think second figure is closer to reality yet I can't guarantee is "big" enough.

Is still to be done more researches as yet more and more proofs comes to light .. and one of the big misteries yet to be solved is how many peoples were arrested without to be done any pappers durring the first "moments", mean 1947 - 1960 ..

Many of those "estimations", in my country or elsewhere forget to count some "details". For example tens of tousends of romanians, german nationality were deported in USSR in 1945and after, as to "help to rebuild objecives were damaged by german army". Nobody knows how many of those people had return .. if any ..


myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)   ranked 1 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

Those are huge numbers not to get much of a mention outside your country.

What you've said about the suspected political ones and family members sounds completely reminiscent of China where the people were taken to prisons to be reducated for having the wrong background. It sounds as if there must have been a universal document made for the communist authorities to control the people, primarily by fear.

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2. myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 6 out of 8 in the truth about communism   3 years ago

i think this is a very timely new section - and as thea has said many or most people in western countries have no idea what the reality was like. neither do we - just what people have told us. also in my case i have heard stories about it in poland and don't know how it was in your country at all. awful i can guess at but beyond that i don't know.


myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)   ranked 1 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

The latest definition of communism - "what happens when the people decide the government knows best."


myLot reputation of 83/100. wmraul (1155)   ranked 3 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

Odds are that in Poland things to be more harsh .. and sure more anticommunists and innocents died killed by communists, while there were russian troops .. We were lucky they withdraw and later were not allowed to pass by ..


myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 6 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

well according to what i heard it softened down quite considerably towards the end. the solidarity movement [note to parated - socialist movement against communism] was becoming fairly influential. this means that while a lot of older people think things improved since (and i think they have) there were a few that saw certain advantages when living an average lifestyle then. of course anybody with opinions etc could have been pretty much guaranteed a tough time. i'm actually going to send a couple of emails to real life friends to get a bit more on this.

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3. myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24242)   ranked 4 out of 8 in the truth about communism   3 years ago

My husband's father's family all lived in East Germany, so I have heard some stories about what it was like there and also seen some of it myself. The West is not perfect, far from it, but I'd rather live here than under any of those regimes...


myLot reputation of 83/100. wmraul (1155)   ranked 3 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

East Germany also lived under a huge pressure while look over the fence and see them westerner german "bruders" doing ok and they, the easterners had to watch not to step in front of russian tanks ...


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24242)   ranked 4 out of 8 in the truth about communism  3 years ago

Yep they did. I know a few people who got out though. There's an old discussion around here somewhere... :-)

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