whats your take on "Blackface" in entertainment?

Like I said hiccup..I didnt catch the whole Harry thing...I only briefly heard about it...

It's like Goll y W O G, people think that is RACISMWell these people should learn who Goll y W O G is before they open their mouth. Mr G.W, came from OLD DUTCH beliefs and has nothing to do with the Afro/American.

sorry but you are wrong.. Golliwog was a doll created by a NEW YORKER in her story "the adventure of two dutch dolls" and was "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome. "...Golliwog was based on the black minstrels/minstrel shows of way back which were in fact, poking fun at the blacks ...So Golliwog IS racist..

Florence Upton and Enid Blyton never poked fun at the BLACKS.

As for Florence she may have been "The First to write a book about Goll y w oG in the 1890's But like many things it was taken from something else.

Now some time back I posted something on all this, we even have or did have a friend with the nic of Goll y W og this is his avatar.

It was religious and it was early dutch, they were like saints, they were good and did good things.They were a part of the OLD DITCH CHURCH beliefs.

Back to Florence, like Walt Disney she took an old story and made it "HOLLYWOOD" and claimed it as hers.

I will try to find it all, but do not hold me to it as it may take time.


HICCUP/

But like many things it was taken from something else.

true but it dates back to the 1600s..and it was a racist (though not considered as such way back then) poke

aaaggg sorry...I meant to italic your quote LOL..

dang it..and I am curious to know what your take is on the French Vogue thing...do you think it was alright for them to use a white model painted up as a black person RATHER THAN use actual black supermodels?

GEES, we have plenty of black girls to do that work we don't need white skinny Minnie's with war paint on, ha ha ha,

We have a Australian Aboriginal Girl doing the cat walks in Paris, she is drop dead beautiful, and a good model. I must dig up her name, She is a honey.

That's wrong, if they are making up to look like, then why not use the real thing.

This was like the Native American (Red Indian) they used white men and even black men as Indians, but that has all changed now in the USA film industry, to act as an Native American you must have blood of. And so it should.

HICCUP/

Ya know i've not seen tropic thunder but one of the reasons is just doenst interest me is becuse of the Downy character....that and it just looks like a seriously stupid movie LOL...White Chicks I've seen and I admit I did like that movie as with Coming to America BUT none of those flicks is along the same lines as this French Vogue thing.....ADMITEDLY though you are right, the photographer or editor of the mag or SOMEONE representing the mag should have been interviewed..thats true...

Both Tropic Thunder and White Chicks had a context and were appropriate. Using black face on a model rather than just hiring a black model does smack a racism to me.

Sndcain can you for a fact assert the reason for the shoot was racism? Do you have a link to a different article where the photographer or a rep from the magazine are interviewed and they stated it was done because they are racist?

If you want to go on the idea that there are plenty of black models that could have been hired for shoot then well honestly there are plenty of white actresses who could of played the main characters in the movie White Chicks and they could have acted like they were black guys dressed up as white women. Also, in Coming to America they could have hired a real jewish white guy and still gotten the same comedic effect. I'm sure if hollywood would have looked they would have found a black guy to play Robert Downey Jr.'s spot in Tropic Thunder.

The fact is no one is going to know the context the magazine meant for the shoot until it comes out on the news stands and/or a rep from the magazine makes a statement about the shoot. Blindly grabbing a pitch fork and getting worked up about something that there is little information on really is not the best way to go about it.

Raven I've only seen bits and pieces of the Tropic Thunder and White Chicks. Tropic Thunder didn't interest me because what I saw of it was not comedy. White Chicks same reason. I saw Coming to America when I was a kid and thought it was funny. If I remember correctly Rick Baker did the make up for Coming to America and he was praised for the way he was able to transform Eddie into an old white jewish guy.

I happen to think until the whole story about the photo shoot comes out that assumptions should not be taken.