The EVOLUTION thing, is it true?  | | Would you believed that we are come from the speceis of a monkey? according to those who believed in evolution we are, and all the things in the entire planet are comes thru accident, molded in years thru evolution, but for my own belief I strongly disagree with that, for me God is the creator of everything and the words of the bible are proven by most researchers. would you believe in evolution?
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| | | | | | | | 1. Gongfuboy (130) | 2 months ago | For argument's sake, I believe in evolution doctrine. Anyway, I won't recognise the fact that God is the createor of everything, which doesn't mean that I deny the existence of God. My teacher once made a metaphor, when we held an ingenious pen, we didn't know who created it, but it doesn't follow nobody created it. Look at our planet, the life existences, amazing masterpieces. We know there must be a forece propelling, some people are inclined to God, while I wound rather believe that the nature, the evolution made everything. However, maybe several hunderd years later, time will verify the this answer.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | If its true, where and what is the next species of human race? for about millions of years passed we can see nothing as replacement for humans.
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| Natrina (35) | 4 weeks ago | Evolution is, as anything else in Science, the best knowledge we have so far. It may as well be that in 2000 years time people will look back at our knowledge about it and laugh, but probably so as well about our methods of transportation, medicine, and so on. Because Science as well, evolves, becoming better, more comprehensive and so on.
At this point, there is no better knowledge than evolution. No other theory competes with it for explaining so much about the species' variations, be them pysical or psychological.
Evolution doesn't happen in the blink of an eye. A simple example is that the Earth has maintained itself more or less the same since humankind has civilization, reason why we're probably more or less the same since then. But, the reason why we evolved from the common apes is that the enviorment back then changed and we were required to come down from trees. Now, the characteristics that benefited survival were dramatically changed, reason why so were we.
Humanity should change with time. If we were start going into space, it is probable that we could see the development of different "races" of humans, depending on the conditions of the new plants, or simply people who live in space or remained back in Earth. As more the enviorment changes, or we conquer new enviorments and adapt to them, so more will we.
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shellback (165) | 4 weeks ago | So you're depend the science theories, how about the God existence? do you believed that God creates everything? It is true that everthing was not happend in just twinkle on an eye but the God do that all for us to believed that everything in this whole world are from His limitless power. Praise God.
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| | 2. dlr297 (2803) | 2 months ago | I believe like you do that God created us and everything else.
If the evolution theory is any where close to being true why are monkeys staying monkeys and not turning into people.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | yes, if its true where is the next race of humans? trully evolution is only a tool to decieved people, it diverts the believers belief and begin to question God existence. thanks
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| Xygatrix (47) | 2 months ago | The reason that primates are not evolving into humans is that it takes millions of lifetimes for there evolutions to become noticeable. If monkeys only lived for perhaps a week then after 1000 generations there would be noticeable changes.
As for humans, we aren't evolving because natural selection, the process that kills out the weaker specimens and preserves the stronger ones, is no longer happening. Your logic is, frankly, ridiculous.
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dlr297 (2803) | 2 months ago |  Xygatrix if what you are saying is anywhere close to being true, then why are we not seeing it everyday from the generation of monkeys from a million years ago, they would be changing now. But their is no evidence of it, and their never was.......
The Evolution theory is not true and it makes no sense.........
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | For the unbeliever like you its ridiculous, but for me who believed the Holiness and greatness of God everything comes from His words, Its difficult for the unbelievers to accept the truth because they need a proof but the true Christians walk by faith not by sight, in the end we can see who is the weakened, lashing their teeth, crying for help from the Lord... you have lots of time to know God, bible is everywhere, you can read it anytime you want, if you want to...
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| Xygatrix (47) | 2 months ago | Primates have not existed for over a million years...
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| Xygatrix (47) | 2 months ago | The changes (such as algae to fish) take millions of lifetimes. However, primates (such as Hominini) only took several thousand years to evolve into humans (such as Homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens).
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headhunter525 (1446) | 2 months ago | dlr297, such question has been dealt with in many books written in defence of evolution. But firstly, evolutionary theory does not say that we evolve from monkey. Nowhere do you find such writings. What it rather says is that we have common ancestors. I think it'll be good to read up what Christians and others say about evolution before we go against it. Even before we have understood the theory well, if we start critiquing it then it will bring name to faith.
There are some faithful Christians like Darrel Falk, Ernest Lucs, Denis Alexander, Kenneth Miller, Keith Miller, Francis Collins, Michael Wilcox et al who have written excellent books on the subject. These theologians/scientists have all endorsed evolution without compromising what the Bible says. I know that there are others who are against evolution; for eg Ken Ham, Jonathan Sarfati, Carl Wieland et al who argue that the earth is some 60,000 years old and evolution is a cause for so much evil in the world. And there are also Intelligent Design proponents like Michael Behe, Phillip Johnson, William Dembski et al who have slightly different opinion on the matter.
Christians have different take on the matter. Whether evolution is true or untrue is for scientist to decide. Science has the internal mechanism to rectify its error. We see that happening again and again. If evolution is false it will be proven false sooner or later. If that is true, Christians are fighting a losing battle. And Jesus and Bible are always on the side of truth.
After all if God is the author of both the world and the word, then Science and Bible will not speak in contradicting terms. Would He? To say that they will speak contradictorily is to say that God is a bad author. We may err in reading Bible or Science, but God won't lie.
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| | 3. headhunter525 (1446) | 2 months ago | Well, evolution does not say that we human come from a species of a monkey. I believe that God is the creator of the world, and what the Bible affirms is true. But that does not make me disbelieve evolution. I believe that God uses evolutionary process to bring about human being. Cheers!
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | So you mean human came thru evolutionary process? What evolutionary process is it? I believed in that but evolutionary process for a short period of time only,like pregnant woman that carries a baby for nine months period, is that it? We are created by God according to His image not by anything, you cant provoke the bible by means unbelieving,.
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headhunter525 (1446) | 2 months ago | When we say that father-mother activity bring forth a child we don't say that God did not do it. We still say that God is the giver of life. Yet we also say that it is through father and mother that the child came about. The activity of father-mother and God do not compete with each other. Rather human are co-creator, so to speak. Similarly, when human takes long long years to develop through evolutionary process, with the Spirit of God hovering over the entire process, we need not say that God is in competing with the natural process. God can use natural process to make something.
I don't know whether evolution is true or not. But I don't see evolutionary process as opposed to creation of God. God can use evolutionary process to make man. After the God of the Bible is powerful and sovereign. Who am I to say that God cannot use evolutionary process to make man in His own image and likeness!
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | I dont know if God use evolution but the truth I know is His words in the bible, in Genesis, you can see there how God made man thru a piece of mud, he mold it and breath him to have life, adam was the first God's creation as human, God created everything in just seven days, but the many of us dont believed in that, for them its like a magic because they dont ever believed in God.
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headhunter525 (1446) | 2 months ago | I believe in what the Genesis teaches. God used the mud to make man and breathe into man his spirit so that man become a living being. But you will as know that Bible cannot always be interpreted with wooden literalism. When God breathe into the mud his spirit, that does not mean God literally has lung. God is a spirit. The text rather means to say that God is the giver of life or the source of life. The Bible was not meant to provide historical detail of how man came about; it just said that God is the giver of life. To study detail history modern man employs Anthropology, History etc. Out of non-living thing i.e mud, God made man. The Bible does not say whether it was an instantaneous creation or it takes long long time. It just said that God did it. Whether it's instant creation or creation over a period of time, I believe, the Bible is silent. But from Anthropology or from History we know that it takes long long time. Yet it's still God who made or engineered the whole thing. That's what I believe.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | Yes I know that God is spirit and he give life to us, theres no question about that, regarding to the anthopologist and scientist that you said that all things are created for long period of time but it is clear to the bible that everthing was created in just seven days, thats a big differnce.
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headhunter525 (1446) | 2 months ago | I believe that God is the author of both the Word and world, and therefore if we interpret the Word and the world correctly there will be no contradiction. If there is contradiction then there is error in out interpretation of either the Word or the world. And we know that wrong interpretation can happen on both sides. Some Christians have in the past or even at present wrongly interpreted the Word and similarly some Scientists have also wrongly interpreted the world. So in this case we need to read both the Word and the world again so carefully.
When we read the Word we always need to read it as the author or writer intended. It's not easy, but that is interpretative principle. To get the meaning we need to examine what writing style the author employed. Is it prose or poetic or allegorical or apocalyptic and so on? My understanding of Genesis text on the subject is that the author employed Ancient Near East literary genre to write the creation story. "Seven days" are not in sequential but he used what is called framework structure so that first day is "day of forming" and fourth day is "day of filling"; Second corresponds to fifth, and third corresponds to sixth, and seven days he rested.
If we read it sequentially, making each day a 24 hour duration, then we end up in big problem. This format will suggest that God made Adam on the sixth day, then on same day God made animals, then Adam felt lonely, then go to sleep, then God made Eve, then Adam named all the animals in 12 hours. But how could Adam name all the animals in 12 hours? That's impossible. I think the Hebrew author knew very well that one man cannot name all the animals in 12 hours. So what was he trying to say by saying that God made all these things happened on sixth day?
I think if we read the creation story as the author intended my view is more faithful to the authorial intent and at the same time avoids getting into problem. And my view is reinforced by the study of God's world (Science) too. God bless!
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| | | 4. Xygatrix (47) | 2 months ago | Well, I think you're paraphrasing something in an inappropriate way. Evolution does not say that we 'came from monkeys' per se, but instead that all creatures have developed their skills and abilities from the strongest breeding and passing on their strengths.
Look at it this way. There are 5 plants in a greenhouse, along with 5 flies. The flies are attracted to sweet smells. The plants are carnivorous (they must eat the flies to survive). After 1 year, the plants are barely surviving. The plants reproduce, and create 5 new plants. 1 of the plants is a mutant. By this point, we have 9 normal plants and 1 mutant. There are 10 flies as well (not very realistic, but bear with me), and they are all normal. The mutant plant has randomly mutated to produce a sour smell. The flies don't like that, and the mutant plant gets no food and dies. The weak species died out. Now, next year, the same thing happens. 5 plants die, and 5 plants are produced. We once again have 10 plants. 1 of these plants is once again a mutant. This mutant has mutated to produce a sweet smell. The flies like this, so they are attracted to and eaten by the mutated plant. This plant is much better fed than the other plant, so next year, 3 of the offspring belong to it, and only 2 don't produce any smell. Eventually, the sweet smelling plants will outlast the normal plants they mutated from, and the normal plants will die out. That is an example of evolution. The sweet smelling plants that evolved from the normal plants were better suited to the environment, so they didn't die out when the others did. Apply that situation to a species millions of times, and you get (from single celled creatures) incredibly complex plants and animals that are greatly adapted to their environment. That is how humans were created, according to evolution. To summarize, evolution states that random mutants better suited to their environment will outlive their weaker ancestors, and after a while, a super hardy species is created. I am a strong supporter of that theory.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | Hi xygatrix,
Thats only a thinking of man, how about God's thinking? we are different, I believed in God, everything was created by His words thats what I believed in, you support that theory because you're unbeliever, isn't it? most you want is proof, to make sure it is true but for a Christian like me I walk by faith not by sight and I believed that evolution is a tool to deceive people,that theory mislead the thinking and faith of a person.
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| Xygatrix (47) | 2 months ago | But what if your religion is a tool made to mislead the weak minded and take their money?
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headhunter525 (1446) | 2 months ago | I am a Christian; and my view is that evidences as now suggest that evolutionary process truly happened and Bible is not against it nor for it. Bible is silent on the matter. Just as God is the giver of life, though mom-dad manufacture the babe, so much so is God the creator though man came through evolutionary process. I don't see how the two cannot go together.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | True that the bible is silent about that, Im a Christian too and Im not after the money, xygatrix, i know money can drives you out from anything, you can buy anything you want except hapiness, the hapiness I say here is about love of God, you cant buy it, try to look deeper in your heart, I know there is an emptyness inside because you have no God...
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headhunter525 (1446) | 2 months ago | @ Xygatrix, I don't think Christian religion is made as a tool for the weak nor to take the people's money. If we examine the history of Christian religion specially the beginning Christians collected money to buy freedom for the slaves and to feed to poor. Such acts in Roman world was a kind of madness. Christians would collect female or deformed babies dumped in dung heap by their parents because they believe each human person is so precious. Such acts is not done by the weak. To take such a stand then or now it requires tremendous strength. Cheers!
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | Then who do you think is weak xygatrix? weak are those who dont ever believed that God exist, so dont be a wicked, theres a lot of time to get and know who do you believed in.. Choose God, thats my advise...
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| | 5. angemac23 (1763) | 2 months ago | I believe in evolution. To me it is real and more believable than what most think.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | Then whats your proof?
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angemac23 (1763) | 2 months ago | I don't need proof, its logical. Are you a believer in god as creator? Because if you are, where is your proof of god. Has he talked to you? Have you seen him? Do you guys hang out on the weekend? Get my drift.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | Im a believer and my God is in my heart, I always to Him and He answers, want a proof? Read the bible, you can see who God realy are...
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angemac23 (1763) | 2 months ago | I don't need the bible. I will believe what I want, and what I believe is not in the bible. I have no problem with you believing what you want and your definition of proof so I will have mine as well.
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shellback (165) | 2 months ago | Okey thats what you believed in, Im only telling you what is the best thing to do and you refused but its ok, its your opinion, im not trying to mislead your ways of believing, its your choice, pardon me, thanks for you time.
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| | 6. Latrivia (1546) | 1 month ago | Actually, according to the theory of evolution, we came from homo erectus. Homo erectus is supposed to be evolved from homo habilis, and so on and so forth. Many of our ancestral species were apes (including us), but we are not evolved from monkeys. Monkeys evolved separately from us, though we are linked by a common ancestor.
The bible can be a great book for consulting when you need direction for spiritual problems, but it by no means is an accurate book on the natural world.
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shellback (165) | 4 weeks ago | Im not doin this to mislead your theories but we have different sides of believing, you're not believed in God and His existence thats why you said that bible is not accurate, only I can say is the bible is a book of books.
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| | 7. spicysweetie21 (1331) | 4 weeks ago | Yes I definitely believe in evolution, I am sorry but you just have to look at scientific facts, and there are so many facts that support it, the biggest one being DNA, and if you do not believe in DNA, then you would approve of so many dangerous criminals being released from prison. And yes the WORDS of some of the bible are proven to be said, just like I could say "behold I am Breelyn godess of the world" right now, and in 2000 years, its possible that someone could prove that it was said, but does that really mean that it is true? I have no idea how anyone can or will ever be able to proove that the actions in the bible ever truely happened.
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shellback (165) | 4 weeks ago | Kindly please tell me where do you get that passage? In what part of the bible does it appear.
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spicysweetie21 (1331) | 4 weeks ago | I made it up completely, its my own words, thats the whole point. Its not out of the Bible. There is no passage, its not in a book, but that doesn't make the fact that it was said untrue, but that doesn't mean the words were even the slightest bit true. MY POINT is that what was said in the bible, might really have been said, but there is never going to be any proof that the words were, or are, true.
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shellback (165) | 3 weeks ago | For you its nonsense but for me bible is a guide that we need, because I believed in GOD the creator, we have different aspects and beliefs, its like north and south, but I have to tell you that God exist.
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