Health Care a Right in the Constitution  

The Right to Bear Arms is one of the most misinterpreted pieces of the Constitution.

If people were guaranteed to the right to bear arms.... Felons would be allowed to possess them, not restricted from owning or using them. There are rules and regulations as to who can own a firearm, how they are to be stored when not in use, and when/where they can be used. These laws vary from state to state.

The Right to Bear Arms was put into place so that the people could protect themselves against acts of tyranny. The Constitution of the United States protects the civil rights of American citizens, but there are limits on the "freedoms".

"The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled numerous times since 1856 that law enforcement officers have no duty to protect any individual, despite the motto "protect and serve". Their duty is to enforce the law in general. The first such case was in 1856 (South v. Maryland) and the most recent in 2005 (Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales)." - Shocking, now innit?

It's often believed that the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness comes from the Constitution when it indeed, comes from a different important document in American history.

Also, I would like to note that not all burglaries are considered felonies... Several acts have to occur before they are considered felonies in most states. This usually depends on whether or not force has been used against the owners of the property and those who are on premises, whether or not weapons are involved or present on the person of the perpetrator, the amount of damage caused by entering the unit, and the value of the items that are stolen.


I could go on for some while, but it may be something that you are better off researching for yourself.

OK, so where in the Constitution does it explicitly say that Americans have a "right" to health care? If I remember correctly, it does indicate that we have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." If there really was a "right" to life, what "life" are they really talking about? Are they excluding all of the unborn who were deleted since 1970--like 5 million human beings? If there is some kind of mention about health care, shouldn't that also include unborn human beings, too? Or is this just limited to a select few who somehow managed to live through birth?

The "right" to bear arms was included as a kind of fail-safe against the possible development of a tyrannical government. After all, that is specifically why so many came to America in the first place--escaping from tyrrany, and why so many died in the American Revolution in defense of freedom against a tyrranical British ruler. It's about freedom, people. Unless you would CHOOSE to be controlled by the government without recourse (arms, etc.), then you probably won't mind living in a socialistic country where your freedom would be extremely limited no matter what you say or think or do.

Where in the constitution does it say that Americans don't have the right to healthcare? This is the silliest question that people as in reagards to this issue. Any government in which you are not allowed to desigate how much many they can take out of your check every pay period should provide healthcare to their citizens to insure that their citizens stay healthy enough to continue to work to pay into the system. I am always amazed at the number of people who oppose greater access to healthcare. Noone made that much noise when our children were sent to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm assuming that the same people who oppose government intervention in unfair insurance policies and equal access to healthcare have no healthcare access issues--typically. It's sad. By the way, we are already controlled by the government... what kind of freedom is there when people don't have the abiltity to agree to disagree?

Phansty....
"Where in the constitution does it say that Americans don't have the right to healthcare?"
It's by ommision. You misunderstand the purpose and form of the constitution, you have it completely backwards.
"Any government in which you are not allowed to desigate how much many they can take out of your check every pay period should provide healthcare to their citizens to insure that their citizens stay healthy enough to continue to work to pay into the system"
Not sure what you mean by that, could you clarify or phrase it a little differently please?
"Noone made that much noise when our children were sent to war in Iraq and Afghanistan."
Your kidding....right? Were you living in a secluded cave for years while violent antiwar protests were going on over the Iraq war? when people (american citizens even)were buring effigies og Bush and the American flag over it?
"I'm assuming that the same people who oppose government intervention in unfair insurance policies and equal access to healthcare have no healthcare access issues--typically"
You assume too much m'lday...I have plenty of health care issues and I am virulently opposed to this bill. No one is oposed to healthcare refor...most of us are just opposed to this particular bill.
"By the way, we are already controlled by the government... what kind of freedom is there when people don't have the abiltity to agree to disagree?"
You know...your right. We should just lay down and surrender our wills to the all mighty benevolent government...I don't know what I was thinking. We're already lost, so lets just give up now and all become serfs. All is well citizen, your government lioves you and knows whats best for you...submit for the greater good.

XfactorNo... If it is by omission, then that means it is left up to the interpreter...in that case YOU have it completely backwards.

Clarification: Any government in which you are not allowed to designate how much money they can take out of your check for taxes every pay period should provide healthcare to their citizens to insure that their citiziens stay healthy enought to continue to work to pay into the system.

Okay, how many violent antiwar demonstrations did you participate in and did you right any congressman?

I said healthcare ACCESS issues, not healthcare issues.

Bush dictated more government control than any other president since the McCarthy era...you don't have to surrender your wills to the almighty benevolent goverment...when Bush was in office he ignored your wills.

"Xfactor No... If it is by omission, then that means it is left up to the interpreter...in that case YOU have it completely backwards."
So, please then, since you seem to believe you have a good command of the constitution, cite me the language in it that spells out the government's reponsability to provide healthcare access and the part that allows the federal government to mandate that I have coverage.
"Clarification: Any government in which you are not allowed to designate how much money they can take out of your check for taxes every pay period should provide healthcare to their citizens to insure that their citiziens stay healthy enought to continue to work to pay into the system."
Isn't that exactly what you said the last time? Let me clarify what I menat by clarify...how on earth did you make that leap in logic?
"Okay, how many violent antiwar demonstrations did you participate in and did you right any congressman?"
I don't do the violent protest thing, but I did write my congressman in addition to asking my state reps to get a bill enacted that would prevent New Hampshire's national guard from participating in it.
"Bush dictated more government control than any other president since the McCarthy era...you don't have to surrender your wills to the almighty benevolent goverment...when Bush was in office he ignored your wills. "
Yep, he did. I guess it's a good thing he isn't in office anymore isn't it? But I have to ask...since you have so many issues with Bush (and rightly so) why on earth did you vote to put a well spoken version of another Bush in office?

I reitterate my question Miss, what is the language in the constitution that describes the government's reponsability to provide healthcare access to the american people and the part that permits the federal government to mandate that I have health care coverage? If you can show me this in irrefutable terms, I will concede.

....thats what I figured.

You figured ..... what?
That you win because someone didn't come on and reply to you in one day?
Give me a break. Some people have lives outside of Mylot and don't check it daily.

Had nothing to do with "winning" anything. It is about the simple fact that no matter what way you look at it, it is blatently unconstitutional.

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No american should be stopped from applying for health insurance and no one should be turned down. Health insurance companies make money hands over fist without supplying your moneys worth. Someone needs to put the stops on them. They need to go after the drug companies too.!!

Laglen, it is the governments responsibility to take care of us. What is your definition of freedom? If you would rather pay for it yourself, then you probably have the means to do so. Some people do not. We have to pay taxes. Where do you do you wnat your tax dollars to go? I didn't hear this much noise when the troops were being sent to war. What are your misconceptions?

"Laglen, it is the governments responsibility to take care of us"
*BZZZZT ....nope, try again
"What is your definition of freedom?"
The ability to follow my free will, the ability to try and succeed and the right to my own failures.
"If you would rather pay for it yourself, then you probably have the means to do so."
*BZZZZT ....nope...strike two. I can't pay for my own, but I do have a plan through my hospital, funded by private sources....this plan will disapear under the new bill and as a result of the new healthcare bill, i am gong to LOSE my healthcare.
"I didn't hear this much noise when the troops were being sent to war."
Where have I seen this before? Oh yeh!....anyway, as I said before...did you NOT see the millions protesting the war?
"What are your misconceptions? "
I foolishly believed that my federal government would abide by the document that outlined their very limited duties of nationhood and leave me and my state alone.

Talk to me when your are not so angry. Maybe you will be able to reason a little better. Bye.

Actually miss, I was using reason, albight in a half humorous way, not angry. All I saw you using were generalities, emotionaly based arguments and the old cliche' "where were you when Bush was blah blah blah.." line.

phantsy, I will be happy to respond to you after I have gotten over my disbelief and anger at your reponses

You cannot get something for nothing. In other words, you or everyone else in the States has to pay for it. Here in Canada, we pay it through our taxes and we also have private health care (such as Blue Cross) to pay for what the government insurance cannot afford to do so, for it did our taxes would go sky high and not only the wealthy would pay them, but the poor would as well.) Those who are poor and on welfare get free medical care, but it is not the kind that the working people do. In other words, if they go to a dentist, and their teeth is bed, they do not get a crown or a cap, they get the tooth extracted. (We do have basic dental insurance for the poor here, by the way.)
When my husband worked, he got group health insurance through work, and he did not have to pay anything (except what was deducted from his salary and the employer paid for half When he retired, he had to pay the employer's part as well and the company had made a deal with Blue Cross to give the retirees a break so they could get extended coverage at a lower rate.
I do think that Canadian system is much better, and I do think that people down there have to "when the insurance company says that you do not have to give them any medical information," they have to do so.
I do not like the idea that this Obamacare means that one has to give up their own private insurance. I think that is wrong.

where in the world do you see health care rights???!!! Did I miss that? My right to bear arms is the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. Where is the healthcare amendment? Or the amendment that the "government" take care you? Have you ever read the Constitution? Or are you counting on your "government" to do it for you?

Dont ya just hate showing up for a battle of wits and your opponent us unarmed?

X, god help us if everyone has to have a gun. There are people out there that shouldn't be able to be in public. On the bright side though, I am sure that number of people talking on their cell phones and driving will go down dramatically after the first few are shot dead. I know there have been times if I had a gun there would be chalk line in some idiots SUV.

From what I have read, and it may not be right, there are several reasons for this difference in price.
1. The different testing procedures and government regulations.
2. Many Countries subsidize the cost to the consumer, and charge them more in taxes to pay for it.
3. Some Countries give the drugs a longer shelf life so they have longer to sell the product.
4. Many countries do not have the legal restriction on some drugs (prescriptions written by a doctor).
5. The over head is lower for some stages of the marketing process.
6. Foreign countries buy the drugs only after they have been on the market for 2-3 years.
7. The Drug companies know they can charge us more and we will pay.

Bob, one of the things that I have been told is that in Canada the government buys in group buys then sells it to the pharmacies for their cost. I agree with many of the points you make, but I believe that your last is the number one reason. We all know that you can make the best drug in the world, if no one can afford it, it is useless.