What would happen if guns were banned tomorrow in the US?  |
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| Imagine that the unthinkable happened and that the 2nd amendment was repealed and guns were banned outright. What do you think would happen? How would the government get guns off the streets? For the sake of this discussion I'll pretend the result would not be a bloody revolution where people open fire on any law enforcement attempting to take away their right to defend themselves. I think it would likely start with a "voluntary" program where people turn in their guns and maybe get a cookie and a pat on the head. The government would track these people and then proceed to send law enforcement to the homes of anyone with a registered firearm demanding they turn it in. If they did not, it would be taken by force. If they claimed the weapon was lost or stolen, their homes would be searched and torn apart to be sure weapons weren't under floorboards or behind drywall. After a period of time the majority of law abiding citizens would lose their guns and with them, the ability to defend themselves. And what of the gangs and criminals? They would, of course, run amok. Bank robberies would skyrocket. Home invasions, rape, and other crimes would increase as law abiding citizens, including private security at banks, condos, apartments, and other establishments would not be capable of opposing these criminals. The government would declare a "War on Guns" because they declare war on any problem they can't fix (war on drugs, war on AIDS, war on poverty, etc). Overtime law enforcement may decrease the number of firearms possessed by criminals just through arresting them and confiscating the weapons. But what has history shown us about legal things being made illegal? Guns would come out the same way alcohol did during prohibition. People would make guns themselves and there would be a surge in illegal, privately made firearms. Anyone familiar with guns knows they really are pretty simple machines. There are no shortage of videos on the internet giving detailed instructions. Of course the biggest problem here is that the majority of people making and using these underground guns will be hardened criminals. So what do you think would happen if guns were banned? Does my scenario sound accurate? Is a bloody revolution the most likely outcome if the 2nd amendment is repealed? I see a fair number of people here who despise the 2nd amendment and want guns outlawed. How exactly do you think this would improve our society and what do you think of my suggestion that criminals would simply use homemade firearms as many already do? http://dailygunpictures.b... | | | | | |
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1. lhsy2k (205)
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2 years ago
| | If you despise the 2nd amendment and want guns outlawed, you are un-American. The amendment is there for our own good, if you can't think far enough to see that... You should leave, move to the U.K. They have outlawed guns there. Also keep in mind that the U.K. is the biggest police state there is, a police state that can only be accomplished through disarming all citizens and leaving them defenseless against the all powerful government. Guns are here, for good. You can make it illegal for honest citizens to own or carry them, but that only HELPS the criminals who obtain their guns through the black market anyway. Another plus of 2nd amendment, if anyone were ever foolish enough to try to invade our country, we'd be a pretty good shape with the ability for most people to defend themselves. Let us not become sitting ducks, people. Open your eyes. | | | | | | |
Taskr36 (6781)
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2 years ago
| | "if anyone were ever foolish enough to try to invade our country, we'd be a pretty good shape with the ability for most people to defend themselves." I agree completely. I remember a while back someone claimed we were so vulnerable to attack from Mexico because much of our national guard is in Iraq or Afghanistan. I said that if anyone were dumb enough to march into southern states like Texas or Arizona looking for a fight they'd be gunned down by locals packing heat. People in a lot of those southern states are more than happy to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. Heck I even mapped out how defensible the condo building I lived in was when I was in Miami. Guns keep us safe. | | | |
bobmnu (4815)
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2 years ago
| | One of the Official reasons given for Japan not invading the us during WWII was the fact that we had an armed citizenry and they would face a well armed insurgent force that they would have to deal with. | | | |
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2. mezulu (119)
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2 years ago
| | Oh, I think there would indeed be a bloody revolution. I know for a fact that if the police just came marching into my home and demanded I hand over my personal property that i purchased with my own hard earned money, I would not be likely to turn it over. Especially if the stakes were this high. The ironic thing is that in order for a hostile removal of all guns from the hands of the public to be even remotely effective, the government would almost definitely have to use guns. There is no way that an unarmed police force would be feared enough to be successful at confiscating guns. As far as the voluntary turnover of firearms, I do not feel that this would be successful for the same reason I stated above. Why would I want to just give away something I spent money on? The government would either have to buy the weapon from me, or impose some sort of tax incentive for those who were forced to hand over their firearms. I really do not think that the government should have the right to ban firearms. People can say all day long that without guns there would be less crime. But the fact remains that in order to hurt someone with a gun, you have to pick it up. Meaning that you can make the active decision to not use a gun for any purpose other than it's intended one. Sure, there are going to be some people who misuse firearms, but the same can be said about almost anything. You aren't going to ban cars because a few people drive drunk. You aren't going to make it illegal to shop because some people feel the need to shoplift. A United States government that made guns illegal would be a government that has gone too far. I consider myself Independent, and am registered as such, but if our government did this, even I would think this country was headed toward fascism. | | | | | | |
Taskr36 (6781)
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2 years ago
| | "The ironic thing is that in order for a hostile removal of all guns from the hands of the public to be even remotely effective, the government would almost definitely have to use guns." Of course. That's how such things always work. For the voluntary turnover I said a cookie and a pat on the head kind of as a joke. I was really thinking they would do it like some states do where they'll give people $100 in exchange for a functional firearm to get weapons off the streets. I'm not a gun owner, but if I thought the government was planning to repeal the 2nd amendment I'd buy one pretty fast and such a program would not get me to hand it over. http://www.associatedcont... "if our government did this, even I would think this country was headed toward fascism." That is how fascism usually starts. | | | |
bobmnu (4815)
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2 years ago
| | When several cities have tried to purchase guns or a cash for guns program what they found out was people were getting rid of only non working or broken guns. I don't know of a city that did that and reduced violant crime. | | | |
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3. speakeasy (1894)
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2 years ago
| | Sorry, but, a nationwide repeal of the 2nd amendment would result in a civil war. Some areas would go ahead with the voluntary turn in your gun and get a reward scenario. That has already been used in small towns/cities that have severely restricted or banned specific types of firearms. THey do not get all the guns; but, the rest of the guns go into hiding. But, many areas have a lot of people of the persuasion "You'll get my gun whne you pry it out of my cold dead fingers". And, a lot of the more "reasonable" people would join together to protect those hardliners. Plus, a lot of the law enforcement personnel are so attached to their own personal weapons, they would not want to enforce this type of law and would either look the other way or change sides. States with liberal gun laws would just plain secede. If you thought slavery was a "dividng issue" gun ownership is an even bigger one, especially now. | | | | | | |
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4. clrumfelt (1907)
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2 years ago
| | If the government were to ban firearms and start confiscating them, I think a lot of people who own firearms would be willing to band together as an oranized militia, do their best to put a stop to such foolishness and uphold their second ammendment rights. It could start another civil war. | | | | | | |
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5. spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | Ok, in the context of this "what if" scenario I think you're pretty much on target...the criminals would have the majority of the weapons so crime would increase. I say "the majority" because I believe that even the smallest suggestion of repealing the 2nd. amendment would result in a very large increase in the number of unregistered weapons owned by normally law abiding citizens. Ammo would be stockpiled as well since I'm sure you wouldn't be able to buy that either. Unfortunately, due to the afore mentioned increase in crime, more law abiding citizens would then become criminals themselves once they were placed into the position of having to defend themselves. I also do believe that there will be violent revolts against such legislation, both before and after. Here in Hooterville I don't believe it would be local law enforcement who would be sent out to disarm my community...it would be the state police. I know some folks who allow the sheriff and his deputies onto their property because they know them but who would not hesitate to gun down state troopers coming for their weapons. | | | | | | |
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mike197601 (5238)
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2 years ago
| | I get your point about the right to bear arms being in your Constitution and also that it really isn't comparable to the UK situation. We don't have a written Constitution so when the gun ban came in here it wasn't a massive deal as it was just after a school shooting here. The point I was trying to make is that a gun ban in the US wouldn't alter gun crime in my opinion. From what I have read the vast majority of shootings are related to crime. Banning guns would not deter criminals and also leave people without the ability to protect themselves. | | | |
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6. OreoCookie3 (22476)
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2 years ago
| | Hi Taskr36... I kind of see it like this. Everyone who has a permit to carry guns and rifles.. (do people have to have permits for hunting rifles?) anyway.. I believe they would get a notice in the mail saying to surrender their firearms by such and such a date, say by 5 PM on May 1st. The letter would state that individuals who do not surrender their firearms will have 10 days to comply or they would be arrested and jailed. Then if the people still don't comply in 10 days will then have their weapons confiscated, and they will be charged and held over for trial. There may also be other penalties, such as drivers licenses revoked and other privileges that people enjoy to be threatened or taken away to force compliance. I can see a sort of militia taking over now.. because our government is getting too big to have concerns about the individual. We are not supposed to know what is good for us, so the government will decide for us and make us comply. | | | | | | |
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7. mike197601 (5238)
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2 years ago
| | This is a pretty short response to a long discussion but I'm sure what would happen would be very similar to the UK. The difference is that in the UK there were millions less firearms on the streets before we had a complete ban so things would be far worse in the US. If a law was passed in the US banning firearms then all those who abide by the law would hand in their weapons whilst the criminals would ignore the law because they are criminals. In the UK it is completely illegal to posess guns and there is a minimum 5 year sentence for those caught. We still have gun crime which would be the case in the US in my opinion. Possibly the only thing to improve would be a reduction in accidental firearms deaths. | | | | | | |
Fortunata (945)
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2 years ago
| | Yeah, you guys can't even have knives,lol! When I was visiting U.K. for the first time with my husband, I saw on the news crime all the time. And that horrible crime with those two boys killing the toddler had just happened. There's a lot of battering those goes on, what a horrible way to die. You won't stop crime by taking away guns. Anything can be made into a weapon, even a pair of panyhose.(Strangulation). And a shiv(home made knife) can be easily made. Prisoners over here make them all the time, and kill guards and other prisoners. | | | |
spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | Oh, Mike, you don't know Americans very well, do you? Keep in mind that we come from a very different mindset...we fought to create this country and we have very strong beliefs when it comes to all of the rights we enjoy as citizens of the United States. We're not going to simply turn in our weapons and go about our business. The government does NOT take away our rights and expect us to follow along as if we were sheep. There will be those who will comply, and those who will appear to comply while keeping unregistered weapons and there will be those who will refuse to comply and will that their refusal to the limit. We have a neighbor who fits in the last category. He is a Vietnam vet like my husband but he was a tunnel rat, he is in his 60's, set in his ways and a huge defender of the American way of life. He will not surrender his guns...he will not go down without a fight. Because he is a sweet old man, with a very lovely wife, I can easily imagine my husband and many of the other folks who live on this one block alone taking a stand next to him...a very well armed stand. Scenes like this would play out all over the country...which is why the very idea is unthinkable to us. | | | |
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8. MagicalBubbles (1913)
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2 years ago
| | One thing's for sure, if they were to do that in the US, I wouldnt want to be there when it happens!!! I live in Canada. Here handguns and shotguns are allowed ONLY if you take a 2 day course "how to handle guns". Then you're handed a little plastic card and the government knows you have a gun as its registered when you buy it. You cant buy a handgun or shotgun if you dont have that card. Shotguns are supposed to be used for hunting, so Im guessing you need to then buy a hunting permit for whatever you plan on killing!! Handguns are used for practice shooting at special places. Why would you need practice shooting if guns are illegal.....Phuck if I know lol. If you inherit a handgun or shotgun.....if it wasnt registered, then the Government doesnt know about it and you're scott free :) | | | | | | |
spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | We have similar requirements for the concealed carry permit, Magicalbubbles, but not for purchases or for transporting a weapon as long as you follow the rules. In Florida I believe it's 3 steps...3 actions that you would need to take before you were holding a loaded gun. For instance, the gun is in the center console but the bullets are in the glove compartment. My husband didn't have to take a course because he's a veteran but I did before I could get my permit. We do need a permit to hunt game but we don't need one to purchase a rifle. | | | |
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9. laglen (7665)
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2 years ago
| | My first guess would be the bloody revolution. But for the sake of the discussion, it would create alot of criminals out of law abiding citizens. Myself, I would surround myself with dogs that you would have to get through while I reload. | | | | | | |
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laglen (7665)
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2 years ago
| | We have 4 the smallest being about 40 pounds and the largest at about 130 pounds! PLENTY of time to load! | | | |
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10. matersfish (2665)
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2 years ago
| | Being a fairly young guy, a lot of my friends are liberals. I know that there are enough theories about "why" so many younger people are liberals to put the Kennedy conspiracy to shame. But it is what it is, and I find myself having the "gun" debate with them a lot. I always use the line, "The Roman Empire never shot anybody" when discussing guns. My point being, of course, guns are just the weapon. It's always the person behind the weapon and their intentions that make it dangerous. Stones, spears, swords and arrows worked fine for thousands of years. Guns are a preferred weapon now, but we still see folks willing to assemble bombs and the like in order to cause harm. If guns suddenly disappeared, became outlawed, w/e, good people would be in bad shape. Weapons evolve based on the environment you live in. If anybody's every watched the show Deadliest Warrior, they've seen this on perfect display. One of the recent shows I watched was the famed Shaolin Monk vs. the brutish and fierce Maori warrior. The Maori were big, mean and intense. They were basically criminals, constantly at war with one another. They lived to fight, and used stone clubs, shark-teeth paddles, and other unsophisticated yet powerful weapons. The Monks were all about defending themselves against aggressive attackers. Their weapons were forged steel, and their combat developed defensively. When it was analyized, the Monks absolutely slaughtered the Maori due to the weaponry. If guns are "banned," then criminals will obviously have the guns, and regular folks, law enforcement, private security, etc, will be at a huge disadvantage. Logically, it would result in people making their own weapons. They would have to. Weapons need to evolve. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see more powerful weapons than guns showing up on the black market. I'm talking mini missiles and IRA-like explosive devices. And I definitely predict a much more violent nation than we live in now without guns. But that's what would happen if shortsighted people keep blaming guns instead of the gun wielder and decide to take them away. There's no logic in that, and I can't understand how some folks can't understand it. The idea that society can be childproofed, more or less, instead of emphasizing personal responsibility literally blows me away. | | | | | | |
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