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myLot reputation of 85/100. k15682 (169)   ranked 56 out of 3,985 in politics 2 years ago

So, the Arizona governor signed the bill into law! I can't imagine the ramifications this new law will have. What will the determining factor be that decides who must prove their right to be in this country? Are they going to use color, accent, nationality (guessit's a good thing I have blonde hair and blue eyes)? Something needs done BUT this is just WRONG! Frustration with the US government doesn't warrant this kind of action. Everyone, watch for the backlash!

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1. myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)   2 years ago

I watched the brave governor sign the bill,had not the federal government abandoned the American people this would had not been necessary.
There are an estimate of 460,000 thousand illegals entering our country per year,that is over half of a million illegals and our government has done zip to curb this gigantic problem.
If you listen to the sheriff just before this bill was signed in to law he said Arizona law enforcement do not profile going on to say that is not how they roll.
Law enforcement in Arizona will be working with ice when they have a illegal problem,this bill gives law enforcement the tools that they must have to protect all the citizens of Arizona.
People take about civil rights I wonder where was the ranchers civil right when he was murdered in cold blood by an illegal on his property last month?
This same rancher and his family has for a very long time begged for government help their pleads fell on deaf ears the results the ranchers life ended at the hand of a illegal trespassing on his property.
Where was 150 million plus American citizens rights when the Obama administration proudly with great big smiles on their faces passed their unconstitutional health care bill?
The Rasmussen report took a poll last week 70% of the people polled in Arizona was in favor of this bill being signed into law.
People was bused in today from out of state to protest this bill being signed in to law,they lost and the good people of Arizona won and in my opinion this is a very good thing.
We the people will be forced to protect ourselves and our loved ones being the federal government is unwilling to do their job ~ ~ ROSE







myLot reputation of 85/100. k15682 (169)   ranked 56 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Arizona law enforcement does not profile? You actually believe this statement? Back to my original question then, what will the determining factor be when deciding who must prove their right to be here? I know, all the blonde hair blue eyed people get the free pass, all others stand in line!


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

K15683,
MY daughter and son in law lived in Az for 15 years,my son in law is dark skinned he never ever was stopped for any thing.
So what is your answer to stopping this hell for states like Az and Tx being the federal gov has done crap to protect the citizens in either state?
70% of the people in Az that was polled are behind thsi bill and that is a good thing hey have to live in the ear of 460,000 in the country thousands in Az and Tx.


myLot reputation of 85/100. k15682 (169)   ranked 56 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

KR, I also lived in Az (10 miles from the Mexico border) and yes the illegals are a HUGE problem but the profiling portion of the bill is what concerns me. I am still interested in what determines who has to prove what. I'm guessing when your son in law lived there the law was not in effect. Penalize severely the employers that hire them, the bleeding hearts leaving water for them and the coyotes that help them, and I mean SEVERELY!


myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11666)   ranked 329 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

What makes the governor so "brave", Rose, especially since, as you claim, the bill is very popular in Arizona? Also, I hate to be picky here but 460,000 is NOT over half a million!

Annie

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2. myLot reputation of 82/100. TTCCWW (337)   ranked 50 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

So instead of the home of the brave now we are the home of the scared and spineless.

Wow, our fore fathers must be proud.

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3. myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

There will be backlash I am sure. But I bet there will be a few less illegal immigrants there! Crap, I am in Colorado, I bet they are heading this way!


myLot reputation of 69/100. BlueGoblin (1914)   ranked 915 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

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4. myLot reputation of 69/100. BlueGoblin (1914)   ranked 915 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I think the bill is great and other states need to make even harsher laws. Stop putting the interest of others before ours. We are not welcome mats.

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5. myLot reputation of 72/100. matersfish (2665)   ranked 158 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Personally, I think that lawmakers and experts within the field of law enforcement have devised a way of spotting a possible illegal that goes beyond the bounds of simply "looking" or "sounding" like someone a few miles south.

Thinking that a law like this is automatically racial profiling is thinking that cops are just going to go around harassing anyone who looks like they jumped the border.

I believe we all need to give law enforcement officials more credit than this. Even if we disagree with the bill, we still shouldn't think of folks as reactionary racists wanting to throw every Mexican out of their state.

If that was the case, cops would have been doing that already and would have long ate the consequences of "racial profiling."

There are probably many more points of interest in a profile of an illegal immigrant. Places illegals have been known to gather; activities illegals engage in; various places they may seek employment; certain behavior markers; certain living areas and arrangements; etc.

However, the backlash is inevitable. You cannot have ANY immigration enforcement strategy that wouldn't inconvenience some people. There's absolutely no way to handle it that wouldn't make some legal immigrants feel put out - and there's probably no way that a few legal immigrants or even American citizens wouldn't be questioned as to their citizenship in any scenario.

There's a lot that goes into building a profile. "Race" plays a component. Yes. But to think that race is the deciding factor is to think that Arizona's powers that be are simply white racists with no real thought into this.

This bill will probably be found to violate the Constitution. And on that basis, I agree it's wrong. But on the basis that folks are just going to be rounding up anyone who "looks" or "sounds" like they're illegal, I couldn't disagree more.

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6. myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I lived in Arizona for 28 years. I think this new law is mostly a very public cry for help from the feds who are SUPPOSED to be protecting our borders. Napolitano was governor before she was tapped for Homeland Security head and she did NOTHING--said it was up to the feds. Now she's still doing nothing.

I don't think the law that has been passed was intended to violate civil rights but draw attention to the dangerous situation the border states are in. The POTUS is now calling for something to be done so the law succeeded in getting his attention.

It disturbs me to think that police can ask for papers from anyone. But as for racial profiling, who is more likely to be an illegal alien, a blond from Norway or an olive-skinned, dark haired person who can't speak English? Get real. That doesn't make it right but hollering about racial profiling makes about as much sense as body searching a grandma in a wheelchair at the airport while letting the young Middle Eastern man breeze on through security.

This issue will get a lot better and the law will be useless if the feds would just police the border, put up a REAL fence (like 15 feet high concrete with razor wire) and get serious about what the duties the constitution assigns it--to protect the country from enemies without and within and to protect our rights as citizens. That's ALL the constitution requires the gov't to do and it's the only two things it DOESN'T do!

Oh, I could rant for hours about the mayhem and grief Arizona suffers but I'll spare you that. What we need is for the gov't to take its duties seriously.


myLot reputation of 72/100. matersfish (2665)   ranked 158 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

"I think this new law is mostly a very public cry for help from the feds who are SUPPOSED to be protecting our borders."

This is basically what I've said on two previous discussions already.

The feds will do NOTHING (probably for strictly political reasons), but there's always somebody willing to criticize the measures that are being taken to get a handle on the problem.

So, hopefully this will get the attention of the federal government and they'll actually act here in the best interest of Americans.

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I don't know why more people aren't thinking the same thing. It seems like something common to do -- force somebody's hand if they're supposed to be helping and won't.

I really want something to be done about this issue. Please, for the love of Mike, people, don't make this a political dogfight. We don't need Democrats becoming the real party of "NO" in terms of immigration reform. I live in Virginia, which is nearly 2,000 miles away from the border, and we're inundated with ILLEGAL MS-13 gang members and drug dealers in many areas.

I don't know what I'd do if my town or neighboring towns and cities are ignored until they become like parts of Chicago and LA in terms of gang activity (not necessarily from illegals, I know) and like AZ in terms of kidnapping and other criminal activity.

Why are we paying so much money to the feds? WTF are they doing besides running us further into the ground? cry

If normal, freedom-loving American folks were even 1/100th as violent as progressive media portrays them, they'd have been gone to the gun cabinets and taken their neighborhoods back. Must it get to that point before our handsomely rewarded representatives step in with a solution?


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15681)   ranked 28 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Matersfish, your last paragraph is frightening but oh, so true. We are all of us getting frustrated with a government that ignores our safety and our wishes. I hope it does not boil down to armed protest but if they don't start listening to us and govern in a constitutional manner it might.

The only thing politicians care about is re-election and more power. Look at McCain--he's been soft on immigration for years and now sees that he has to do an about face in order to be re-elected. They will do and say anything. Vote them all out this year and in 2012--help start a system of one-term representatives that will truly do their best because there's nothing else in it for them.

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7. aprildowling (73)   2 years ago

In my point a view this bill should of been pass long before, it's a shame someone had to be murdered for it. I hope the bill do more good than harm and why's a lot of people in Arizona protesting over this bill?

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8. myLot reputation of 70/100. patms1 (466)   ranked 603 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

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9. myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4815)   ranked 222 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

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10. myLot reputation of 51/100. oneidmnster (1049)   ranked 957 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Obama is totally against this bill.It must be the right thing to do,because Obama's wrong about everything,so far.

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