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myLot reputation of 97/100. ramaswamyvtkv (1501)   ranked 2 out of 1,869 in cricket 2 years ago

Uthappa is a very very good aggressive player ,he should have been selected in the squad .
Murali vijay is playing poor cricketin international cricket, he played well in ipl, but how can you select a player with the help of a single century in ipl?
Robin Uthappa was experienced in tnernational T20 and he knows to play short pitch balls also(most of indian players are struggling to play those).
Murali vijay played only against low standard team like Afganisthan, he is not showing his talent against quality bowling.
murali vijay cannot be considered as a replacement for viru, he is our senior player that too the most aggressive in world cricket, so Uthappa was the fair replacement in all cases, the matches played by india showed that.we know that opening partnership is the needed one for india to win matches, a player like Uthappa was the one who would have delivered that, and yesterday we lost wicket from the start and we lost the match under pressure, so Uthappa is really a big miss in the absence of Sehwag.


And now when praveen kumar is injured why dont we select Irfan Pathan who displayed very good allround cricket in IPL, and why the selectors just avoid him and goes for Umesh Yadav in a worldcup that too in a crucial stage?

we are playing super8 matches and we should have picked a more experienced one like
Irfan,
so what do you think?If he is avoided in this situation then when will they select him? are the selectors not serious about team?

I dont think that selectors are not doing there job correctly, then how can the team be blamed for lossing matches?

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bhaskar015 (170) response was accepted on 5/10/2010.
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tags:  ojha, opnion, robin uthappa, selection, uthapa and irfan in int t20
 
1. myLot reputation of 86/100. himanshuorange (441)   ranked 565 out of 1,869 in cricket   2 years ago

really your are absolutely right, eeven when i heard the mames of the players for the international t20 squad the first thing that came in my mind was that "why didn't athey took uthapa...." i mean he has performed the world class in IPL and he can hit the ball very hard ..........actually we cannot understand the rules of the selector committee ..........what they show us aren't their actual rules i hope you got what i am trying to say...............

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2. myLot reputation of 90/100. ravinair (6168)   2 years ago

Robin Uthappa would have made a real difference than Murali Vijay, Vijay just played one nice innings in IPL and Uthappa had many match winning innings in IPL, Uthappa would have been a better selection ....


myLot reputation of 97/100. ramaswamyvtkv (1501)   ranked 2 out of 1,869 in cricket  2 years ago

ya vijay played just one good innings and called for international cricket, look the case with australians, they make a international call only after having some fair experience in domestic cricket.

when bretlee was injured did they call dough bolinger, no they didnt pick him even though he performed well in IPL, instead they took reyn harris.
and reyn harris was also not given the chance to play against india, they picked jonson over him.
australians always make very good selection, inidans always make atleast 2 or 3 bad selections.

the main disadvantage in indian selection is that indian selectors make the team selection very early, that should not be done.

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3. myLot reputation of 66/100. geiseric (308)   2 years ago

Vijay scored more runs than Uthappa in IPL. Besides, in domestic cricket Uthappa has been a BIG flop. Only experience is not an answer - you must know how to apply your experience.


myLot reputation of 66/100. geiseric (308)  2 years ago

And the selection of Umesh Yadav shows our lack of pace options. You may support Irfan, but the fact is he lost his sharpness.


myLot reputation of 97/100. ramaswamyvtkv (1501)   ranked 2 out of 1,869 in cricket  2 years ago

when you back vijay, where is his talent.
did he perform, a good player grab the chance with two hands, what did vijay do?
he played only one innings nicely that too against afgan a low standard team in world cricket.
When you dont give chance to Uthappa, when he is running in a superb form, how can he prove you that he can play.
in the first t20 world cup Uthappa performed very nicely, his contribution was very much use ful for india in that worldcup and india won that worldcup too.
so he is the best attacking option for T20 cricket, and he should have been selected over murali vijay that too to replace sehwag.
vijay got chance only due to the fact that, kris srikanth, the indian chief selector is from chennai, he selected the boy from his home town over Uthappa.


and india defenitely dont have quick bowlers of world standards thats a known fact.
but what i was speaking was, when you are in super8 matches playing against some god teams in the world a fairly experienced Irfan would have been a better option.
at least he knows to bat well and bowl well on some days.

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myLot reputation of 66/100. geiseric (308)  2 years ago

Hey, we already have quite a few 'attacking options' - Raina, Yusuf, Dhoni........even Rohit, Goti can also attack if necessary. Even Vijay, with whom you're so disgusted, is known to be a good hitter. You can't judge a player's talent from a few matches only........then we'd have never got Yuvi, as it was only Dada who backed him when he was performing poorly. Vijay have good record in domestic cricket, & then he performed well in IPL........if you call his century 'lucky', the you should watch some highlights to count how many times Uthappa had been dropped.

Besides, there is another problem..........if you drop Vijay, then who'll open ? You can try makeshift opener(like Karthik or Yusuf) in one match, but can play the gamble everytime. Utthappa himself is not a successful opener...........he played many matches as open in domestic cricket, but his performance had been pathetic. For this problem, we can't permanently drop Vijay.

And why are targeting Vijay only ? What about Goti ? He scored only 4 against Afghanistan & 9 against Australia. Our last match was a collective failure.......we bowled poorly, & no batsman except Rohit showed the eagerness to put a resistance.

Now, Irfan Pathan ! Well, even if you take him in the team, where would he play ? Dhoni, until now, have depended on two pacers , & please don't suggest that Irfan should replace either Zak or Nehera.........they might not be performing quite well right now, but Pathan has lost the ability to spearhead the attack. And if I drop Jadeja & opt for a 3rd pacer, why Irfan ? I would rather go for an in-form Vinay Kumar.

And I also didn't like the inclusion of Umesh Yadav..........I'd have rather liked to see Harmeet Singh, who played quite well in IPL. I read the logic behind Umesh's inclusion was his performance for Vidarbha. couldn't understand it....... Vidarbha is a Plate Division team, & except some limited-over competitions they generally don't have to face top teams. Even in IPL he was used in only few matches. I'm sure some regionalism worked in this case.


myLot reputation of 97/100. ramaswamyvtkv (1501)   ranked 2 out of 1,869 in cricket  2 years ago

Its now that we are playing the real game of gambling with M.vijay as opener.
its not the few chance,he performed only once that too against afgan in the 5 matches india played.

its clear that he is a waste in the team.
if irafan was there he could have used anywhere in the batting order which will giv dhoni added advantage. and bowling no indian bowler bowls well, then why you make irfan the only poor bowler.

do you still supportM.vijay its pathetic that he has been turned out as a unlucky opener for india, at least dhoni should try him to come down the order and push someone up.

Murali vijay is the absolute failure for india in this T20 world cup, he himself proved it too.

its only because Srikanth he is selected again and again.
poor guy dont know to play quality opposition.

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myLot reputation of 66/100. geiseric (308)  2 years ago

OK, after watching you batting so madly for Irfan & Uthappa, & cursing Vijay, I decided to take a deep look at this matter. I collected the data from IPL-3, & here I'm showing you what I found :

Vijay : total-458, SR- 156.84, Avg-35.23, 50s- 2, 100s- 1

Uthappa: total-374, SR-171.55,Avg-31.16 , 50s- 3, 100s- 0

Now, I analysed a bit more. I segmented their match-by-match score :

0-20 21-40 41-60 61-80 80+

Vijay 7 3 2 1 1
(42,50) (78) (127)

Uthappa 5 6 2 1 0
(5 within 30)(50,51) (68)

I've not considered drop catches. If you give me time, I would try to download videos.

I agree, Vijay have failed to shine in WC, but the above data clearly shows that there is nothing to be so excited about Uthappa. Except Strike Rate, he lags Vijay in every aspect.

And I again say - stop making Vijay the scapegoat. What have our 'experienced' batsmen, like Goti, Yuvi & Raina(except that century) done ?

Now, Irfan. He played some brilliant innings with bat in IPL-3, but please look at his bowling. He took 15 wkts spending 426 runs, with an ECon of 9.2 & SR of 28.4. Now look at Vinay, whom I earlier preferred over Irfan. He took 16 wkts with an SR of 173. & ECon 8.57.

Look how lost the matches - our bowlers conceded few runs in fist few overs; then the opponents bulldozed our bowling to set a high target; we lost quick wickets while chasing ; one or two players in the middle & lower-middle order try to recover ; but due to high asking rate we fail. Even if Irfan would play, he would bat in lower-midle or tail, & couldn't do much as our top & miiddle order is failing. I would rather try to keep the target under reach, & field Vinay in place of Irfan.

Another argument made by you - experience. The last T20 Uthappa played for India in Feb 1,2008 against Australia, where he scored 1. The last ODI he played in July 6, 2008. I doubt if 'experience' would've helped him or India in T20 WC, as since then he've played almost all matches only in India. Outside India, he played in Ipl-2, where he scored just 175 runs in 13 matches.


myLot reputation of 66/100. geiseric (308)  2 years ago

OK, it didn't come properly. So I'm writin it again :

Vijay :

1-20 - 7, 21-40- 3, 41-60- 2(42,50), 61-80- 1(78), 80+ - 1(127)

Uthappa:

0-20- 5, 21-40 - 6(5 within 30), 41-60- 2(50,51), 61-80 - 1(68), 80+ - 0

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4. rajkumarmat (1)   2 years ago

yes ur right both them are good players, but always they may not suceceed.


myLot reputation of 97/100. ramaswamyvtkv (1501)   ranked 2 out of 1,869 in cricket  2 years ago

not only those two there are many performed players who are left out in selection process.
where is Pragyan oja, the top wicket taking spinner in IPL?
instead piyush chawla?
like this many......happens in indian cricket.

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5. myLot reputation of 82/100. sach143_u (503)   ranked 39 out of 1,869 in cricket   2 years ago

I don't know on what bases K.Srikanth selected this Murali vijay. Uthappa is a big hitter and he can be a match winner. But K.Srikanth chosen team without a match winner. I don't know how they are selecting a team...


myLot reputation of 97/100. ramaswamyvtkv (1501)   ranked 2 out of 1,869 in cricket  2 years ago

there is no special reason, he gave the chance for a boy from his home town, when he got a rare situation to do so.
he got viru injured, luckly vijay got a century in IPL and he used this situation to give chance for a boy from his home town chennai thats all.
but unfortunately, for india and for Srikanth, the selection was a big mistake and indian team paid for the mistake.

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6. myLot reputation of 96/100. ram_cv (7095)   ranked 10 out of 1,869 in cricket   2 years ago

For me the crucial miss has been that of Pragyan Ojha, the best left arm bowler for India over the last year or so and the best bowler in IPL T20. Instead we have Ravindra Jadeja in the team who gives around 3 sixes per over that he bowls and then drops catches and gets himself run out in the most stupidest way. I think that is going to be one of the main misses why India might miss out on the semis this time around.

Regarding Uthappa, I think even if they had picked him for the tour, he would not have played as Dhoni prefers to play Pathan as the striker lower down the order.

Cheers!
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7. myLot reputation of 87/100. bhaskar015 (170)   ranked 28 out of 1,869 in cricket   2 years ago

I am not sure about Irfan but Uthappa should be taken in the side.He is an aggressive batsmen and the more important thing is he is some what unorthodox which is at times very important in the T20 format.sometimes he walks down the track and hits the ball for six.
And the opening failed completely.What shocked me more than Murali vijay's poor batting was Gambhir's poor form.Generally he is a very good player and adjusts to the conditions quickly.i think he is missing his partner viru very much.Umesh yadav should have been given a chance in place of Jadeja I thought.

Selectors should rethink.you are right.


myLot reputation of 66/100. geiseric (308)  2 years ago

I disagree on Umesh. Actually I think Harmeet should be included in place of Umesh. & in place Jadeja, we should use Vinay or Piyush(though I'd like to see Aswin or Murli Kartik in place of him)

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