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|  I'm a juvenile officer. I was in court earlier today for a case and before my case was heard, I listened in as a woman was being crucified on the stand because she's a Jehovah's Witness and that particular religion shuns most modern medicine treatment. The child who was about 16 was sick, but rather than bring him in, she prayed for him to get better. He didn't and a neighbor called DHS and mama got arrested for child abuse and the kid got taken into custody.
My thoughts:
My husband and I have a 2 year old daughter. We have decided against vaccinating our daughter. We both feel that the vaccines pose more problems and complications than the diseases they prevent. When was the last time we had a case of polio or an outbreak of the mumps? We're pumping our kids full of toxins for no reason. My husband is an APN, so we've done our homework. Some of the pediatric doctors/nurses are in agreement with us on this - some aren't. Whatever.
So, seeing as how my DH and I are anti vaccine, what's to say someone reports me for not vaccinating my daughter, then reports me and my DD gets taken away by state custody and given the vaccines we're witholding?
When is too much? When does the government have a right to interfere? I personally think the government overstepped their boundaries with the woman and the child. The child had a case of mono. No biggie - I've had it before. Many times, financial obligations prevent people from going. If you can't pay your bills, the hospital sues and you lose everything. Should someone get their child taken away because they can't afford it? Should someone be forced to undergo treatment even though their religion or beliefs prohibit it?
My husband and I are Catholic and Catholics do not believe in birth control. I don't want to be a woman with 30 kids, so yes, we use birth control. I'm on the shot. I know some religions like Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in medical intervention and they believe God will heal should God deem it necessary.
I guess as a mother, I'm torn. I don't see how anyone could just blatantly let their child die from non treatment. I can also understand someone's faith being so strong that they belive truly God will heal, and maybe sometimes God does heal. It's one thing to remove a child from an abusive situation or neglect, but part of me sees neglect, but the part of me that is anti-vaccine sees the mother as making a choice she believed in.
What do you think?
Should the government have stepped in and taken that kid?
Should the mother face jail time?
Should the kid be forced to take a treament he doesn't want?
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1.  cicisnana (632)
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2 years ago
| |  I am so sorry but you are definitely not going to like what I have to say. But not because I'm against what you're saying but because of what has happened to my family.
My daughter in law has a 2 year old little girl, my step granddaughter. Before she married my son she was living with her parents and they did not get along at all. The father was abusive and the law was called one night. The government took her little girl from her. At this time the little girl was almost 2 but not quite.
Any how, my daughter in law followed all of the cabinets rules and obliged them in every way that they wanted, however, she is still fighting to get the girl back home, but for now has lost custody to the little girls father.
The reason?? My daughter in law had looked into all the pro's and con's of vaccinations and decided they were too risky, especially now in the day and age when those diseases are no longer around.
Because she chose not to vaccinate her little girl she was "neglectful" in the eyes of the court, and is having to fight a long, hard battle to get her baby home.
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 MysticTomatoes (895)
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2 years ago
| | I have nothing against what you said.
I do find it stupid she lost custody because she neglected to vaccinate. | | | |
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2.  kezabelle (2745)
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2 years ago
| |  Thing is your child is "unlikely" to die from not being vaccinated although that said i would say consider the fact if she does catch any of these diseases she is putting small babies at risk who are too small to be vaccinated and therefore more at risk. My daughter caught measles from an un vaccinated child (my daughter was too small to have had her vaccinations unfortunatly) my daughter was extremely poorly and ended up in hospital so it is a subject very close to my heart we could have lost our daughter because of someone elses lifestyle BUT im very pro choice so we sucked it up dealt with it and moved on would i have felt so charitable about their choice if my child had died hell no my girls mean the world to me!
NOT vaccinating is not the same as watching your sick child get sicker and refusing to take them to who can help them the best because of your religion that IS neglect its neglect in the fact they failed to do what was best for their child they thought more of themselves unfortunatly religion can be set so deep they feel they have no option its a very difficult circumstance but there would be a huge outcry if the country sat back and watched a child DIE and not do anything about it because hey the parents have a right to do what they want with a child?? Hell no if that child is not able to make its own informed choices and the parent is making one that could ultimatley kill it then sure the govt should step in i would say its neglect in a misguided sense of belief and will always be cause for debate but for me ultimatley no child should die if they can be helped!
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| MysticTomatoes (895)
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2 years ago
| | NOT vaccinating is not the same as watching your sick child get sicker and refusing to take them
Sorry. I disagree. | | | |
| kezabelle (2745)
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2 years ago
| | why do you disagree?
not vaccinating does not mean your child will get sick and die. sitting their watching your child die refusing to do anything about it means you are purposefully letting them die!
i did say i dont agree with no vaccinating but im pro choice (despite my child catching measles from an unvaccinated child) your life etc but NOBODY has the right or choice to LET their child die if your child caught measles from not being vaccinated majority of parents would not just sit there and say leave them dont medicate THAT would be the same as watching your child get sick and refusing to help IMO X | | | |
| MysticTomatoes (895)
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2 years ago
| | I disagree with it all. I do think it's a parent's right to decide when and how a child is vaccinated. I do take my kid to the doctor when she gets sick, but as far as us pumping her full of toxic waste to prevent a disease that hasn't been around since the 1940s, that's just insane. You've got a loaded gun next to your kid and every time you give them a shot, you pull the trigger and hope and pray all you hear is a click and not a gunshot.
I'm not taking that risk with my kid. | | | |
| kezabelle (2745)
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2 years ago
| | fair enough as I said repeatedly your choice and im very pro choice!
But as you quoted my comment of non vaccinating your child is NOT the same as watching your child get sicker and diethat is what I asked about why you disagreed?
Please read your first comment and then tell me why you disagree with the quote you quoted at me as that was my response to you nothing else! And it clearly states i DONT think its the same as allowing your child to die so im confused as to what you disagree about in that qute thanks | | | |
| MysticTomatoes (895)
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2 years ago
| | I disagree with the not vaccinating equals watching your child die.
There hasn't been a case of polio in America since the 1940s or 1950s. There hasn't been an outbreak of the mumps or ruebella (sp?) in as many years either. I'd much rather risk catching three diseases that haven't been around in almost 70 years than pump my child full of toxins and have to watch as she develops autism and is reduced to drawing circles on a piece of paper and never looking at me again. | | | |
| kezabelle (2745)
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2 years ago
| | PLease read the quote you spat back it me it clearly states the word NOT before the word SAME that clearly suggests surely that I do not think that not vaccinating equals watching your child die.
so for the third time please re-read and then tell me what part you disagree with because quite frankly i think its very rude to not read posts properly and attack a member for an opinion they dont even have!!
my quoute if it helps clearly says "i do NOT think that NOT vaccinating your child is the same as watching them die" so i dont think its the same i dont actually know how many times i can say that same sentence! | | | |
| MysticTomatoes (895)
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2 years ago
| | I never attacked you. If you think I did, not my problem. | | | |
| kezabelle (2745)
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2 years ago
| | Fair dos but you were very wrong in what you said to me due to the fact I never said what you assumed I did, i notice you dont comment on that! | | | |
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