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myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues 2 years ago

At a recent inquest, it was appallingly revealed that a police officer had stood unmoved as a man drowned while two other members of the public dived straight in the waters - was actually following his training.shocked

I just could not help feeling flabbergasted with his statements at the inquest and had my mind reeling with a lot of questions about how the next generation of law enforcers are trained. Most of all the implementations of such atrocious police guidelines where they can actually let a man drown in their line of duty.

This is absolute BS and not acceptable in principle, sanity, justice and even logic. It is just insane and I hope that the police officer including the institution will be held responsible for this unnecessary loss of life and that they be punished.

What is becoming of this world?angry

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1. justinhyns (59)   2 years ago

This world is becoming evil. The government is only seeking more power and it doesn't matter what president you have, they will always let the power go to their head and change them. Like barrack obama he lied, he said he would withdraw troops out of iraq/afgah and he never did.. So pretty much unless you stand up and protect your rights by protesting then we're all screwed.. Most of americans is more worried about who wins american idol or who wins the world cup than whats going on in the real world..

The media did a good job brain washing 6.8 billion people in this world. Cause if they weren't brain washed then the governments would be screwed but meh..

All you can do is be a slave and be a goodboy following the government laws on what he likes/hates.



myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

confusedjustinhynsconfused,

Are you on the same frequency here?

I am going to suppose that this response is for another discussion which you have erroneously posted here.

Have a break and I think you deserve some sleep...

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2. myLot reputation of 91/100. syankee525 (5263)   ranked 432 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

yeah that is sad. what happen to protect and serve


myLot reputation of 97/100. LetranKnight25 (11773)   ranked 47 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

more like stand still, then protect..yourself firstlollol way too selfish


myLot reputation of 91/100. syankee525 (5263)   ranked 432 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

but i do have police as friends. and this one i know was involve in a few shooting and they told him after being founded he was in the right, if he shot another person he would be fired.
sometime they are put in a situation, but that one should have jumped and saved the person


myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

syankee525,

Well, like LetranKnight25 it is protect and save thyself first, nowadays.

I can understand the part about transferring out duty personnel who are involved in tragic shootouts in the line of duty as this is basically a proven conditions like PTDS. But, I am sure that if they are evaluated to be fit - they will reinstated duties without any reservations.

This constable just deserve the sack as I think he is just putting up some excuses to cover up for his swimming deficiencies and judgment error.

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. LetranKnight25 (11773)   ranked 47 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

sadhello success,

oh, my that is very sad because there's a lot of people that needed police protection. i believe the police department should be questioned and investigated with regards to it's rules and regulations. how can some one allow a law that the cops should stand still while the person drowns? is that law maker ever got into that situation.

well, when it comes to that i hope who made that stupid happen to him/her someday, i am sure no cop will help that person because the cops follow the lawlol


myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

LetranKnight25,

I never ever could recall that there was any or such procedure or teaching as far as civil service is concern.

I think this cop is just covering up for his gross mistakes, starting with a gross error in his judgment which resulted in a fatality.thumbdown

Everything about the whole thing is making him unfit for this job.

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4. myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 59 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

wow that is a sad state of affairs. I know our police are supposed to "serve and protect".

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5. myLot reputation of 89/100. snowdoll487 (2965)   2 years ago

Well If I saw that man drowning, I'm not sure if i'm going to dive in and help him too.. Not because of duty or that I do not know how to swim but since the guy is drank the possibility of him drowning me as well is 99%.

I tried rescuing someone before. And although twas somewhat an achievement saving someone from drowning, however, losing my own life for someone I am not sure is worth saving can sometimes make me think twice nowadays. :) The stupid person basically wanted to drown me to save himself. If I have not been a good swimmer we could have both drowned or he could have saved himself and I drowned. >_>


myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

snowdoll487,

Frankly, there are many ways to save someone who is about to drown.

For one, if that constable had stripped down to his underwear he could have had an improvised rope long enough to reach the victim.

Or, swim to him on the blindside and use the improvised rope to secure and pull him in to safety.

Besides, it is a river not a sea or an ocean.happy

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6. myLot reputation of 99/100. Opal26 (14496)   ranked 661 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

Hey sky! I think that this excuse is bizarre! I can believe it
only to an extent! I do know that there are actually things
that police officers are "taught" that they acutally aren't
supposed to do, but I'm not sure if in this particular situation
that the officer was telling the truth or not! Maybe he couln't
dive into the water with all his "gear" on, but as he said he
could have stripped them off and then jumped in! Maybe they
aren't trained to do this sort of stuff, but it doesn't make
sense to me! I guess I will have to see how the police report
comes out and if this officer is charged with a crime for not
helping this man and therefore blamed for his death!


myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

Opal26,

My exact sentiments here.

I am quite sure that whatever he claimed is not being taught in the academy and he is just putting in some ludicrous excuses to get him out of this gross error at his end.angry

The death is really unnecessary and could have been avoided in my opinion.

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7. myLot reputation of 93/100. Qaeyious (2105)   ranked 204 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

It would be nice if all our emergency personel were supermen, but we need the few that we have. I thought his explanation was adequate, that the situation requires more thought process than just jumping in with a full policeman's uniform on. If anyone did that at the Sacramento River that goes through my town most likely they would drown if there was no specialized crew around with the proper equipment. Then we'd have two dead bodies instead of one.


myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

Qaeyious,

To be fair, this is not the treacherous Sacramento River we are talking about but some kind of canal river.

Neither, are we expecting any superhuman feat but plain simple logical assessment and being resourceful to control the situation from escalating. There's always a logical or rather sensible side of every selfless act.

I am sure we can always overcome the odds even at your mentioned treacherous Sacramento River if we have sound judgment and resourceful with our methodology to conduct a rescue.

IMO, this negligent cop is just finding excuses for his errors and to blame it to his training is just pathetic. Because, I find it hard to believe that there are such teachings in any reputable police academy.

Thanks for your response.thumbup


myLot reputation of 93/100. Qaeyious (2105)   ranked 204 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

Sorry, but I would rather have more input from professional personnel as to what the proper procedure is in their profession. All the canals in our area have signs strictly prohibiting swimming as well as the uncharted areas of the Sacramento River. What is the difference between the two? Is it safer to swim in a canal river?

I would rather have more testimony from professional officers as to what their policy is regarding waterways in the jurisdictions they serve. And I refuse to condemn a human being, what every officer is, for being a human being.

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8. myLot reputation of 26/100. qamarep (4087)   ranked 2,359 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

police officers dont join the force to help others they join to make a living.. so their own mentality is there with the kind of absolute power there


myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

qamarep,

I just cannot help recalling a line when you mention about absolute power where it says: ""With great power comes great responsibility" - Stan Lee, Spider Man (2002).

Also, if I may quote part of the police oath which says: "I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law" where the law here to me does not permit a police officer to leave a man to either hang out to dry or drown in the water.

I am sure if joining the police force is mainly to make a living then, I am sure there are much better paying jobs around with lesser responsibilities.happy

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9. myLot reputation of 68/100. vokial_voc (149)   ranked 3,638 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

if you see police in my country, they are even worse.. they take money from driver in street by make fake mistake. if you want to make a report about something, they ask for money or the report won't be done. all they are thinking is money.. not to protect people


myLot reputation of 88/100. skysuccess (5593)   ranked 97 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues  2 years ago

vokial_voc,

I am sorry but it is a blatant fact that your country is stricken with corruption and it is a country wide issue where it affects everyone from all walks of life.

It is certainly sad to see this but there are still some decent and honest people. Just don't loose hope for I am sure things will improve one day.

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10. myLot reputation of 100/100. dorannmwin (17639)   ranked 780 out of 4,344 in have discussion on day to day issues   2 years ago

Though I do think that this is a terrible thing. However, there should be a place at which a police officer has to draw the line. The officer can't really dive straight into the water because he is fully clothed and wearing his vest, gun, etc. It would have quite possibly taken more time for him to have been ready to go into the water than it took for the two civilian people to go into the water after the person that was drowning.

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