Do you think clubs benefit from foreign managers or they lose their identity?
By ram_cv
@ram_cv (16513)
India
October 5, 2011 10:26pm CST
In England there is a huge debate on whether foreign managers add value to the club or whether clubs lose their identity under foreign managers. A example of a good foreign manager is Arsene Wenger who revolutionized the way soccer is played in England and brought style and class into the game. Jose Mourinho has been a good success with Chelsea as well. But the other foreign managers have not really added much value. Also given the fact that they sometimes do not understand the history of clubs, the importance of derby for the fans etc., at times clubs seem to have lost their flavor.
What is your view on this? Do you think local managers should manage the clubs or are you ok with foreign managers?
Cheers!
Ram
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@rappeter13 (8608)
• Romania
6 Oct 11
Personally, I don't have anything against foreign club managers or trainers. I think a good coach knows a lot about the team he is taking over, especially if it is about well known clubs.
The fact if a coach can add some value or not is about his abilities and only just a small fraction about the origin of the coach.
What I don't agree is that national teams are being coached by foreign trainers, or the fact that foreigners play in the national team. A national team should put on the table what a country, eventually a nation has. How can an Italian coach the national team of England? How can Brazilians play for many other national teams than theirs.
There are cases, like Thiago Motta, who is an Italian born in Brazil, and I accept him playing for Italy, because he is Italian, no matter where he was born. That's more than okay, it is normal for me. But Cacau playing for the German national team is not okay, because he is Brazilian, was not born in Germany, so he is not a German by any means, no matter that he got the German citizenship.
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@ram_cv (16513)
• India
6 Oct 11
I completely agree to you on the national teams. I am a vociferous supporter of home grown management for national sides. When you represent a country everything in it should be from that country. Yes, and I also share your concern of so many Brazilian born players playing for other countries!!
Cheers!
Ram
@rappeter13 (8608)
• Romania
7 Oct 11
The reason for what I am saying this is the following: The national team should "put on the table" what a nation has, not what a nation can buy. If it doesn't matter anymore, then what will be a difference between a club team and a national team?
And I say that a player or a coach should not be necessary born in one country to represent the national team.
You see, there are plenty of Turkish players who are born and bread in Germany, but play for the Turkish national team. I completely agree with those, and I say that they are players with strong character, who still feel a bond to the country of their nation.
Or if you take the case of Hungary, which was divided in several pieces after the 1st World War, and so many Hungarian live on those territories, they should play for the national team of Hungary, because they are born in the former territories of Hungary and they are 100% Hungarians.
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@marcmm (1804)
• Malaysia
9 Oct 11
I don't think a club manage by foreigner is a problem as long it give success. Look at my local state team. When it was manage by Alan Vest (An Aussie), we have a lot of success. Now after a constant revamp of football rules in Malaysia and we have a local coach, I'm just happy if our state team still exist.
National team? It is good to have local managers for a national team. We take Fabio Capello for example. I think it will be weird for him if he sang his national athem managing England if England meets Italy and if he sing God Save The Queen. Patriotic wise, it just not an ideeal situation.
About foreigners playing for the national team? I object it very much. A few month back, Malaysia are beaten by Singapore in World Cup pre-qualifier. Almost all the players that played for Singapore are foreigners become permanent resident. It just not looking fair for me.
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@marcmm (1804)
• Malaysia
9 Oct 11
And maybe he thinking about his future already when it happens. Imagine what if England win and knock Italy out of Euro, I'm sure Capello will be the number enemy of the Italian. Remember when Ang Jun Hwang (I hope I spell it right) knock Italy out of World Cup 2002 and he was still playing for Perugia, all of the Italian cannot wait for him to come back to Italy so they can get his head. And eventually he transfer out after constant pressure from the whole nation. I wouldn't like to be in Capello shoes if this thing really happen.
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@stvasile (7306)
• Romania
9 Oct 11
I think local managers are more connected to the history and the traditions of their own league, but sometimes they simply are not good enough in managing the clubs. It is a similar discussion to the one concerning foreign players. They are not connected to local history and traditions, they gradually lead to a decrease in value of the national teams, as less local players get to play, but if they are valuable, if they can significantly improve the team performance, they are a good addition.
I think valuable managers can help improve the clubs. Bringing poor managers, local or foreign, will only lead to a further decrease of the clubs.
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
10 Oct 11
Yes, a very simple example is what has happened at Liverpool. As soon as Dalglish has taken over, Liverpool seems to have a turned a leaf in terms of mentality and focus. Though the results are just beginning to start, but this is what a local manager can bring especially when a team is in low morale.
Cheers!
Ram
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
7 Oct 11
I was just about to say that it depends on the manager. If he Knows the history of the club , then he should do well . But if he doesn't Then he mat struggle! And sadly it also depends if he can be understood.
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@ram_cv (16513)
• India
8 Oct 11
I agree that usually this is taken care in due diligence. But sometimes the knowledge of the local language and culture comes into play. For e.g. During derbies, if you see the teams that Sir Alex plays, they would be pre-dominantly British as they understand the underlying animosity of the game.
Cheers!
Ram
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@sjlskl (3382)
• Singapore
8 Oct 11
Citing Arsenal as an example. The Gunners were known as a boring team whereby the gameplan is to haul the ball up to the strikers and hope for the best. When Wenger came in, he totally changed the style of play. This season aside, they were one of the most exciting club to watch. So there you have it. A foreign manager coming in and rip the identity to pieces. I would say, this is beneficial for the club and the league as a whole.
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@ram_cv (16513)
• India
8 Oct 11
In case of Arsenal, yes it was very beneficial. Also, from a country perspective it really opened up England to the fast paced passing game. But, unfortunately, Monsieur Wenger seems to have a blind spot when it comes to defense which is showing in Arsenal's game now!!
Cheers!
Ram
@omchesunche (1754)
• Indonesia
7 Oct 11
Well, good points ram as always..I have observed foreign managers has played important role on English premier League on recent years. Someone like Mancini, Arsene Wenger or even Mourinho have really broke tradition on England football..This season we also seen Boas Villas appointed as Chelsea coach and becomes the youngest ever coach there..
I think there is no problem with them, since if Clubs want to grab higher titles such as
European titles other than EPL they should play differently and compete against not only England Club but also European.. They also becomes one of the magnet for great players to play in EPL..so we will see many talented and famous players will join EPL in upcoming years..
Maybe if Guardiola willing to coach one of the club in EPL, someday Messi perhaps will also follow him..But that was only wild dream ...haha..
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