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myLot reputation of 92/100. Ambur25 (545)   ranked 30 out of 394 in religion 6 years ago

This is simply my opinion in my own words. If you don't agree with my opinion, then we all know what opinions are like..lol. I won't agree with yours and you won't agree with mine, end of story. But, here goes...

I think it's ridiculous that there's no prayer in schools. I think it's ridiculous that children can't pray to whichever God they pray to. Maybe one day, the Governor won't like the color red, and he'll ban any red clothing in public schools, simply because he or others might like blue better, and it's a difference of opinion. So to save a fight, all red clothing will be banned.

Hot dogs have been reported to be a significant factor in child cancer. Question, what's on your childs lunch tray every Monday, Wednesday or whatever day is "Hot dog day?" But, don't pray.

Don't pray in schools. Because our Heavenly Father isn't the only "God" in some lives. And it's not "right" to pray in public where there may or may not be other "Gods." Believers in the word of God believe that we were created by God. God created Adam, then created Eve. From these two, we were all born. Why is your child's science books still teaching evolution? That's not what my child believes. My 7 year old son may enter into science class and will be taught that we were all spawn from APES. So he will come home and ask me if GOD is real? The same God that I have been teaching him to believe in since he could speak? The same God that he's been so quick to pray to when things are going great, as well as when things are going astray? Yet, he can't pray in school.

Who's to say who we can and can't pray to? I believe in God. Yet, do you think I will look down my nose at someone praising Alaa? Will I grab the closest rock I can find and throw it at them for praising someone other than whom I believe to be our Lord Jesus Christ? Nope. Why? Because MY bible says we are to love one another as we love ourselves. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

On the first day of 2nd grade, my husband, both boys and I, walked into my oldest son's classroom to get him settled into his desk, etc. Before I left, Wayne reminded me that we should ask about Connor's praying. You see, we teach our son to pray. At any given time, when ever he should feel like praying. But, he especially prays before each meal. He will bow his little head, and pray quietly to himself. I had to ask the teacher, "Will Connor get in trouble for doing this?" She said she didn't see it as a problem. But, I left there that morning thinking how ridiculous it is, that I would even feel compelled to ask if my 7 year old son would get called to the office for quietly bowing his head and praying to himself.

We moved to Arkansas from Missouri last year. The school Connor "would be" attending in Missouri is currently being sued by more than likely someone just out to gain some sort of publicity or money. But, nonetheless. They are suing the school because "someone" (faculty member) said a prayer before a school event like a ball game or something. I'm not sure.

I just think it's ridiculous that people, especially children, can't pray to whomever they please in school. As long as they aren't forcing it upon anyone else. If my child is quietly bowing his head and praying before his lunch, any parent should be grateful that their child chooses to do so, rather than picking up his cheeseburger and throwing it across the table. With knowledge comes maturity. And my son knows right from wrong because he's learned it from his parents, who have taught him that the word of God is the right way. Period. But, he's also taught that just because others may not believe the same way you do, doesn't make them any less of a person and you should still respect them for who they are.

Agree? Disagree? Neutral? Talk to me. :)

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avonelle26 (338) response was accepted on 12/7/2006.
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1. myLot reputation of 50/100. vssornavel (810)   6 years ago

children are need prayer for their early age may be school or in their home ...sorry i can't understand your thread fully

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2. myLot reputation of 51/100. avonelle26 (338)   6 years ago

I totally agree. Prayer is the answer to all and it disgusts me when people throw God AWAY and then wonder why the schools are full of crime and why people are so evil. If we took time out to allow our school system to pray and take time out ourselves to pray and respect God we all would be in a better condition


myLot reputation of 92/100. Ambur25 (545)   ranked 30 out of 394 in religion  6 years ago

I agree, completely. God should be allowed anywhere an individual thinks necessary. Thank you. =)


myLot reputation of 97/100. Kaorin (691)  6 years ago

Personally, I do not believe not praying in school is what makes people 'evil'. I am an atheist and I've never prayed once in my life. I'm charitable, volunteer my time and money to good causes, never committed a single crime and am perfectly capable of understanding my own morals.

I don't believe that prayer is the answer to all lifes questions, and I don't believe that praying will suddenly make the world a better place. People who pray commit just as much crime and do just as many bad things in the world as people who don't.


myLot reputation of 92/100. JC1969 (778)  6 years ago

Ambur25,
But according to the Christian faith, god is everywhere, and god is in you. So, if that is so, then god hears your prayer whether silently said to your self or screamed from a roof-top right? So, is this really about praying or is it more about sanctioning a specific religion in public schools? I mean because if one is really concerned that there silent prayers aren't being heard by their god, then I'd question their faith more then the public school system. If it's a question of not getting enough prayer time in, then those types of parents need to place their kids in a religious school and not expect the public school system to cater to their religion, because if the public school had to cater to everyone's different belief then there would be little time for teachers to teach. Now, if your child wants to pray to himself before he eats lunch or feels the need to bow his head and pray when he feels he needs a little extra time with god, hey who is stopping him? As long as he isn't disruptive to the teacher, as long as he isn't trying to indoctrinate any of the other students, then let him pray to himself. Heck, how many kids close there eyes for a quick breather in class, how do we know if they are praying? we don't. Why does a big production have to be made over this? When I was a catholic, we prayed silently in church all the time, we didn't have broadcast our prayers out loud.

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3. myLot reputation of 79/100. JustSimplyLissa (459)   6 years ago

I think if a child or adult wants to pray in school it should be their choice, I do not believe that the schools themselves should make it demanditory. Just allow it by choice. And for those who choose not to. They shouldnt be offended by someone who chooses to. It's a simple personal choice. I do not feel that religion should be "pushed" on anyone. But not ripped out by disallowing it.


myLot reputation of 92/100. Ambur25 (545)   ranked 30 out of 394 in religion  6 years ago

I agree completely. And thank you. See you in chatttttttttt cuz iluuuuu <33 =P


myLot reputation of 79/100. JustSimplyLissa (459)  6 years ago

ILU2! AND CYA THERE!

this is a great topic!

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4. myLot reputation of 68/100. ezzrssi (9169)   6 years ago

yes should be a good thing


myLot reputation of 92/100. Ambur25 (545)   ranked 30 out of 394 in religion  6 years ago

what should be a good thing? O.o

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5. myLot reputation of 92/100. JC1969 (778)   6 years ago

If a student bowed their head and prayed to themself, what's the big deal? Now, if the teacher or the student stood up and demanded that all students said a prayer, then there is a problem. No one has the right to encourage or force praying in a public school. If it is going to be done, then it needs to be on their own time and not during time that is designated specifically for education and teaching all the students. You want to have a little prayer meeting outside during recess, go for it. Just do not force it upon all students, and do not make the students that choose not to be part of it feel like they are doing something wrong--teach tolerance of all.

I find it funny that so many religious people seem to forget that their god is with them always, their god sees no boundaries like the bricks of a school building, and their god hears their thoughts and prayers no matter where they are. If this wasn't so, then why bother praying at all?

When my great-grandparents went to school, there was no prayer in school, they were jewish, and they said their was no prayer in their school. They went and prayed in their temple, at home with their family, and if they needed to say a little extra they did it privately and to themselves. There was no fuss over it. My other grand parents were catholic, and they too said they never had to pray in public school when they were kids either, they did it at home and in church on sundays. Maybe that's how it was done in downstate NY back in the days. The problem is there is too much fuss over it. You have some schools that want to force kids to say prayers regardless of their belief or disbelief, and that makes non-believers angry. Then you have schools that won't allow a student to say a silent prayer to themselves or pray before their meal if they want, and that makes those with faith angry. Goodness where is the happy medium here. I say, don't force me to pray, and you can pray to yourself anytime you want--now can we get on with trying to fix the diluted curriculum in our schools...LOL


myLot reputation of 83/100. sirensanssmile (2784)  6 years ago

I think that Adults can't separate how they reason from how a child reasons. An adult will think "Prayer is important in life and should be allowed whereever." A child thinks "Prayer time is an excellent out from Math class." Children don't reason as adults do so it is silly to think that it would serve anything other than a distractn from studies.


myLot reputation of 92/100. JC1969 (778)  6 years ago

That is very true, and therefore it would become a distraction, it would take away from the teachers efforts to teach. I don't send my children to school to have religion enforced. They can get that in sunday school.


myLot reputation of 92/100. Ambur25 (545)   ranked 30 out of 394 in religion  5 years ago

I certainly see where you're coming from on this, but the post wasn't about getting out of class to go pray. It was more about praying quietly before his lunch? And with all due respect, my son (who is 8 years old now) knows the difference. He thinks of prayer just as he should. Not as an easy cop out. Children understand and realize more than most adults think they do. They may not use all the right words, but children see more than you think. =)

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6. myLot reputation of 29/100. honestabe (395)   6 years ago

I agree, yet disagree at the same time. The right for a religious person to pray at their own will while in school is important, yet it is taken away by schools obviously. I think the reasoning for this is that the schools are trying to create a neutral environment. They don't want people praying b/c non-religious people might take offense to that and then it could cause lots of tension between groups of people at school. School should be a tension-free and calm environment for all to educate themselves.

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7. myLot reputation of 97/100. Kaorin (691)   6 years ago

I don't believe that children should be MADE to pray if they don't want to. I don't feel that praying should become compulsory. I believe that having a prayer during an announcement is forcing a personal belief that not everyone may have. There ARE people that believe in other gods, or don't believe in god at all, and I don't believe that they should be MADE to pray to god when they don't want to.

If it's a volunteer thing sure, why not. If its not hurting anyone, yeah I have no problems with prayer in school. But, if its a 'say a prayer at assembly' or 'say a prayer every morning before class', no, I don't think thats acceptable.

If you want your child to have that kind of structure in their day, send them to a christian school.

That's my opinions, anyway. But I totally respect your right to opinion. <3


myLot reputation of 92/100. JC1969 (778)  6 years ago

I agree with you on this one. It becomes a problem when it is sanctioned and forced upon all, and then it becomes an equation for teaching intolerance. Why should a teacher, who has no belief, have to lead a class in a prayer, doesn't that infringe on the rights of the teacher? In the same respect, why should a student who does not believe in a religion have to be part of a student or administration lead prayer, and they should not have to be made to feel that they have to leave a room because of the prayer.

If you are so worried about your children not getting enough god in their daily routine then send them to a school of your religious choice, that's what the Catholics do...and even the Jewish.


myLot reputation of 83/100. sirensanssmile (2784)  6 years ago

It also stands to further SEGREGATE in public schools. This is why people started private schools with a religeous doctrine.


myLot reputation of 92/100. Ambur25 (545)   ranked 30 out of 394 in religion  5 years ago

I agree with you on that. It's not about saying a public prayer. It was about my son praying quietly to himself before eating his lunch. Not praying to his class, or asking everyone else to pray with him.

To the others, I didn't say I wanted more religion in his daily activities. Lol. I could send him to a private school. He was in a private Christian preschool before. Personally, I think a Christian school is great. But, I also think that these schools can shelter kids from "the real world." They are taught that there is crime, and sin, and bad things in the world, but until they come face to face with it, or see signs of it themselves, they never truly know the extent of these things. Again, this is simply my opinion. I didn't want my sons to be in a private school and thrown out into the world. I want them to see the world for what it is, make their own opinions and thoughts, be taught right from wrong, and be able to use their free will to make the decisions that they think are right for their life. Right or wrong. It's human nature to sin, and we as humans make mistakes. But, we also learn from these mistakes. And if they aren't allowed to make mistakes on thier own, they will never learn how to fix things for themselves. I won't allow my children to play in the street! But, I'm not going to stand over them for the rest of their lives and keep them sheltered. It's only when they make a mistake, that they learn to fix it, and learn how to avoid it next time.

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8. myLot reputation of 87/100. Ravenladyj (19028)   6 years ago

things may be different here to back in Canada but if I'm not mistaken, in Canada (Ontario at least) prayer is allow in school so long as its not disturbing the school day flow, so long as it doesnt disrupt the classes and is done somewhere private (example being if a group of students wanted to go to an empty classroom during lunch break and have prayer circle thats fine) and I think thats how it should be.....Prayer should not be part of the schools daily activities and required by all students, its not right....forcing my children to say the lords prayer in the morning after the anthem and whatnot isnt right...but to say grace before lunch or like i mentioned above, having a lunch time prayer circle in a quiet area I see no problem with that...As for the lawsuit you mentioned, I think that is just ridiculous..provided the faculty member was doin it to themselves and not expectin the entire ppl in attendance to listen....regardless though, suing for it is just silly....I mean if the teacher or whatever did it over the loudspeaker lets say, then yes report it tot he principal so the teacher knows to not do it again but at that moment...stick your d@mn fingers in your ears and suck it up buttercup..I'm sorry but ppl whine far too much here for the nuttiest things..Dont get me wrong I like living in the U.S but its SO much more tense than in Canada..big culture shock..

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9. myLot reputation of 72/100. ASoldiersAngel02 (407)   6 years ago

I'm with you honestly I dont think children or anyone for that matter should be punished for being religion. Why should someone be believing in "God" whichever they choose to worship? Are we going to start punishing people for having beliefs? I think not. prayerand religion should be left alone it is neither a matter for the school now state to decide.

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10. myLot reputation of 97/100. wellamoose (1144)   6 years ago

I think it's stupid that kids aren't allowed to openly pray in schools. The last time I checked, we were in America and one of our rights is freedom of religion. It doesn't matter what religion you practice. I can tell you something though, if you poll kids at school and ask what percentage pray before a test, I bet it would be a very high number! Just because they aren't allowed to pray openly, doesn't mean that they aren't praying at all. I know that most of my prayers are silent. I pray a lot. I just think it should be allowed in schools though.


myLot reputation of 92/100. JC1969 (778)  6 years ago

So, then what's the big deal, you just solved the problem if you say that they are already praying, then what's the big deal. This is my point exactly, if you have faith and believe in a religion you pray no matter where you are. Most religious teachings teach that the powerful entity they are praying to is with them always and in them always, so their prayers are always heard no matter where they are. The problem here is, we have certain religious groups that want the public schools to sanction their specific religion and mandate the praying, and that is when it crosses boundaries. No, one says you cannot pray in school, just you cannot have it forced and lead by a public school teacher or administrator, because not everyone in public school prays or believes the same way, and we do not want to be intolerant to anyone in the public school venue. No one is stopping a student who chooses to pray quietly to themselves, just do not expect the public school to take the time away from classroom instructions to cater to prayer.

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