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myLot reputation of 96/100. lordwarwizard (10625) 5 years ago

I just received a notification to attend a "call-up" later this year. I was ordered to report back to camp for 2 weeks.

Welcome to Singapore, the land of conscription.

An imaginative poet would describe the island to be a barbaric one where men are drafted into the national army as soon as they turn 18, only to be worked like a slave for 2 whole years before release. Thereafter, they remain compelled by law to continue their services (though in a lesser capacity) for many years after.

I was one of those who suffered the yoke of the old rule; instead of 2 years, I led a "life" of unspeakable description for 2 and a half years. You are less than a speck of dirt, and you should be grateful that your existence was tolerated. Thankfully, I had been released after dutifully serving my term.

Yet now, once or twice a year on average, I will be recalled to the army for 2 weeks to 2 months. It doesn't matter if my life will be affected in any way - why should it concern the army? As long as I am still alive, I am not my own man. My life is not my own and I have no free will.

I *cannot* even ask the question whether I should continue to serve the army. I cannot because unless I give up my citizenship (making me a man without a country), missing my call-up will mark me as a deserter. I will be caught in no time, hauled up in a sack, dragged before a military court and probably sentenced to serve my time in a detention barracks. One does not even need any imagination to imagine what life will be like there.

How would you feel if you are in my situation? What is your take on the issue of conscription? If this is e.g. America, I shudder to think of the sheer size of this army.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 70/100. rolcam (12344)   5 years ago

You paint a very bad picture of your country.

I always thought that Singapore was one of the most ideal
and democratic countries in Asia.

I just like to wish you all the very best.

roland.
sydney australia.


myLot reputation of 96/100. lordwarwizard (10625)  5 years ago

Don't get me wrong, I was trying to paint the grim side of the country. Singapore is indeed a very democratic country and it is one of the best places to live in the world. And if you are talking about Asia in particular, I would say it is definitely the best. But then again, everything's subjective. :P

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2. myLot reputation of 85/100. MrCoolantSpray (782)   5 years ago

I hope it goes well for you. Most countries I know of have a mandatory military service system in place. In fact, the only exception I know is my own country, the USA. Personally, I don't think it's such a bad idea. I'm sorry the situation over there is so bad, though. Good luck.

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. whyaskq (5741)   5 years ago

I would think it is an honour to serve the country in times of need. I have heard many stories and views from friends who have served the army. So far, many have shared your view, and there were few with a different opinion. Singapore is but a small country with only people as the main resource. After reading the history of Singapore and the pain of growing the country after gaining independence, I can understand why the conscription is in place. It might be more acceptable if the females were included.

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. ShadyGrove (630)   5 years ago

They used to have the draft in the U.S. and many thousands of American men (the draft did not include women) left the country and did indeed become labeled at "draft dodgers" never to be able to return to their families or homeland without fear of arrest.

They no longer have the draft, but there has been talk of bringing it back to help increase or supplement the size of the military here. I do not think the populus wants that to happen again. If you are not miliatry minded or an active patriot of the country I think you (not you, but us) would prefer others to do the fighting and protecting and to let us continue to live our lives as is.

I am unfamiliar with how the politics and government in your country works. How can they pull people throughout the year away from family and jobs? Are your jobs held? What about if you are in school? Is there no "reason" to be let out of this conscription? Is this just a thing that always was and always will be without people stepping up to question the whole process? If you protest are you flagged as a "bad" person by your friends? Does it bother you enough that you have considered leaving your country?

I know for me being TOLD I have to do something and MADE to do it would be totally against how I go through life. I can deal with rules and proper order, but it is my choice to follow or not follow ~ I know the consequences if I do not, and I choose to follow (within the boundaries - though I do like to stretch them a bit), but it is still MY choice.

This must be a difficult thing to live with.
I hope it does not become the choice between giving up yourself, or giving up your country -- you are in a hard situation.


myLot reputation of 96/100. lordwarwizard (10625)  5 years ago

The situation is not as bad as I deliberately painted (to give the grim side of things). We do not lose our jobs while being asked to report back to camp because companies are bound by law to grant us leave too. It is true that given 2 equally capable people, an employee would rather choose he who doesn't have such "commitment" but hey, that's another story. :P

You are to be conscripted as long as you are a guy. For those whose fitness/health is unusually low, they may be given non-military roles such as clerks, etc.

The government does try to compensate us in several ways but I was just pointing out that we can't choose to opt out of the whole thing. I would rather pass on those compensations if I had the choice! In this sense, you are more fortunate in that you have a higher level of free choice.

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5. myLot reputation of 93/100. 66jerseygirl (1960)   5 years ago

What you call conscription is called "The draft" over here.People haven't been drafted into the military in a long time.It's only used in extreme cases of emergency like if there were a war and they needed more troops but like i said they have not had the draft in years.It is an honor to serve one's country but on the other hand,I don't feel secure about people protecting our country by force .

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6. myLot reputation of 64/100. ElementalDragon (116)   5 years ago

As has been mentioned above, The United States used to require service (the draft), but no longer does so. Military service is optional. I favor this situation, and would be severely disappointed in them reinstating the draft. On the other hand, maybe a compulsory military experience would have done me some good. It's a moot point, at this point in time, however.

I am not a military person. Not by a long short. That is not to say that I don't respect those who are willing and able to serve in my country's military. Just that I won't volunteer to do so. And I'll be pissed if I'm forced to.

I am not (or try not to be) a conformist. I avoid doing things because "everybody else is doing it", or because someone orders me to do it. I may end up doing something in one of those categories because I feel it is worthwhile, but it won't be because of either of those reasons. The current United States political environment is a perfect example. I have not believed in the invasion of Iraq since day 1. If I were in the military, I would be assigned at the whim of someone that I really, really don't respect much.

My $0.02 at the moment.


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myLot reputation of 96/100. lordwarwizard (10625)  5 years ago

My sentiments...

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7. myLot reputation of 51/100. ganwn071 (1099)   5 years ago

Stay positive for the 2 week and it will pass by very fast. You can take it as a paid time off since you civilian pay is not affected.

You basicially have no choice, unless you give up your citizenship.

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8. UltimateNet (92)   5 years ago

of course, we must die because the president said that
That's right...

no, i don't understand why the human should kill other human


myLot reputation of 96/100. lordwarwizard (10625)  5 years ago

Exactly! If only the world can live in peace and harmony...

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9. myLot reputation of 91/100. kathy77 (6833)   5 years ago

Well I think that every young man should be trained in the armed forces it used to be this way in Australia as well where we had conscription it teaches the men to be a man. Also there would not be so many men being rascals and doing the wrong thing in regards to their own country. Oh I do not agree with the way your country deals with this but I know our does not as my eldest son used to be in the army.

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10. myLot reputation of 99/100. kgwat70 (10233)   5 years ago

I think I would feel very unhappy if I was in the same position as you as I think you should be able to live your life the way you want to since you already served your country. They should not be able to make you rejoin the army for any period of time and they should try to find new recruits. You did your job already. I think that is very unfair to you. I wish you the best as well and hope things will go okay and that you will be safe.

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