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myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24696)   ranked 3 out of 5 in science fiction/fantasy 5 years ago

The urge to hug a departed loved one again or prevent atrocities are among the compelling reasons that keep the notion of time travel alive in the minds of many.

While the idea makes for great fiction, some scientists now say traveling to the past is impossible.

There are a handful of scenarios that theorists have suggested for how one might travel to the past, said Brian Greene, author of the bestseller, “The Elegant Universe” and a physicist at Columbia University.“And almost all of them, if you look at them closely, brush up right at the edge of physics as we understand it. Most of us think that almost all of them can be ruled out.”

The fourth dimension

In physics, time is described as a dimension much like length, width, and height. When you travel from your house to the grocery store, you’re traveling through a direction in space, making headway in all the spatial dimensions—length, width and height. But you’re also traveling forward in time, the fourth dimension.

“Space and time are tangled together in a sort of a four-dimensional fabric called space-time,” said Charles Liu, an astrophysicist with the City University of New York, College of Staten Island and co-author of the book “One Universe: At Home In The Cosmos.”

Space-time, Liu explains, can be thought of as a piece of spandex with four dimensions. “When something that has mass—you and I, an object, a planet, or any star—sits in that piece of four-dimensional spandex, it causes it to create a dimple,” he said. “That dimple is a manifestation of space-time bending to accommodate this mass.”

The bending of space-time causes objects to move on a curved path and that curvature of space is what we know as gravity.

Mathematically one can go backwards or forwards in the three spatial dimensions. But time doesn’t share this multi-directional freedom.

“In this four-dimensional space-time, you’re only able to move forward in time,” Liu told LiveScience.

Tunneling to the past

A handful of proposals exist for time travel. The most developed of these approaches involves a wormhole—a hypothetical tunnel connecting two regions of space-time. The regions bridged could be two completely different universes or two parts of one universe. Matter can travel
through either mouth of the wormhole to reach a destination on the other side.

“Wormholes are the future, wormholes are the past,” said Michio Kaku, author of “Hyperspace” and “Parallel Worlds” and a physicist at the City University of New York. “But we have to be very careful. The gasoline necessary to energize a time machine is far beyond anything that we can assemble with today’s technology.”

To punch a hole into the fabric of space-time, Kaku explained, would require the energy of a star or negative energy, an exotic entity with an energy of less than nothing.

Greene, an expert on string theory—which views matter in a minimum of 10 dimensions and tries to bridge the gap between particle physics and nature's fundamental forces, questioned this scenario.

“Many people who study the subject doubt that that approach has any chance of working,” Greene said in an interview . “But the basic idea if you’re very, very optimistic is that if you fiddle with the wormhole openings, you can make it not only a shortcut from a point in space to another point in space, but a shortcut from one moment in time to another moment in time.”

Cosmic strings

Another popular theory for potential time travelers involves something called cosmic strings—narrow tubes of energy stretched across the entire length of the ever-expanding universe. These skinny regions, leftover from the early cosmos, are predicted to contain huge amounts of mass and therefore could warp the space-time around them.

Cosmic strings are either infinite or they’re in loops, with no ends, said J. Richard Gott, author of “Time Travel in Einstein's Universe” and an astrophysicist at Princeton University. “So they are either like spaghetti or SpaghettiO’s.”

The approach of two such strings parallel to each other, said Gott, will bend space-time so vigorously and in such a particular configuration that might make time travel possible, in theory.

“This is a project that a super civilization might attempt,” Gott told LiveScience. “It’s far beyond what we can do. We’re a civilization that’s not even controlling the energy resources of our planet.”

Impossible, for now

Mathematically, you can certainly say something is traveling to the past, Liu said. “But it is not possible for you and me to travel backward in time,” he said.

However, some scientists believe that traveling to the past is, in fact, theoretically possible, though impractical.

Maybe if there were a theory of everything, one could solve all of Einstein’s equations through a wormhole, and see whether time travel is really possible, Kaku said. “But that would require a technology far more advanced than anything we can muster," he said. "Don’t expect any young inventor to announce tomorrow in a press release that he or she has invented a time machine in their basement.”

For now, the only definitive part of travel in the fourth dimension is that we’re stepping further into the future with each passing moment. So for those hoping to see Earth a million years from now, scientists have good news.

“If you want to know what the Earth is like one million years from now, I’ll tell you how to do that,” said Greene, a consultant for “Déjà Vu,” a recent movie that dealt with time travel. “Build a spaceship. Go near the speed of light for a length of time—that I could calculate. Come back to Earth, and when you step out of your ship you will have aged perhaps one year while the Earth would have aged one million years. You would have traveled to Earth’s future.”

 

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1. myLot reputation of 72/100. aiguy01 (506)   5 years ago

There is also a theory of an infinite number of dimensions (parallel worlds)with all possible realities being expressed.

So if this is true there are dimensions out there identical to what our world was in the past or so close to the way they were that we'd never be able to tell the difference.

How to get to these other dimensions and find the one that you want is the challenge.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24696)   ranked 3 out of 5 in science fiction/fantasy  5 years ago

I know that theory too. I love time travel, alt universes, psycic/telepathy subjects in science fiction. That's why I posted the artical - not that I think they'll stop writing time travel fiction - just too much fun!


myLot reputation of 96/100. jwfarrimond (3266)  5 years ago

There is also the possibility of "astral" time travel (I can't think of a better phrase at the moment) Assuming a 4 dimensional space - time, then everything that has happened in the past is still there, so it might be possible to see it or parts of it by some sort of projection of one's mind. I don't think that I'm expressing the idea to clearly, but maybe you get the idea.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24696)   ranked 3 out of 5 in science fiction/fantasy  5 years ago

I've heard of that too. Not quite the same as going there yourself. I don't think I'd really want to travel - I'm not a language person so I'd be limited to where I could go in fact. And since I'm female, I'd be even more limited for actual traveling. Asteral projection might allow me to places that I don't need to understand the language if I'm only looking - or reading their minds.

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. winterose (18794)   5 years ago

time travel would be a fascinating thing I think. I would love to see that past as it was lived, not how we think it was. But what would happen if we died in that time, would all history of who were are children of ours etc before destroyed?


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24696)   ranked 3 out of 5 in science fiction/fantasy  5 years ago

I think that if you died in the past you would not change the present, because you wouldn't have any more children than you had when you traveled to the past. Your future became what was your past.

I'm kind of funny, my view of time travel is that what happened in the past you really can't change, because if you do, then you can't return to the future - or at least not the same future. So, if you traveled back & killed your grandfather before you parent was born, you'd not exist....

There's a short story called "All you zonbies" that deals with something like that.


myLot reputation of 94/100. krayzee (826)  5 years ago

Yes but you know that there are many paradoxes related to time travel such as what will happen if one goes back in time and kills his own grandfather (before he had any children)? Those children will never get to exist as their father died before having them and as such neither the grandchild will get to exist. But it the grandchild doesn't get to exist then who kills the grandfather? :)

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. drakan291 (698)   5 years ago

Yeah i can't wait till time travel is possible. Although it is possible to go FORWARD in time we can't go BACKWAWDS in time. Because time runs differnetly in space you can spend a year in space then come out earch will be a week older then you!

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4. jamin_i (69)   5 years ago

I think string theory(M theory) which describes most of the unusual events like big bang claims time travelling is possible.But it is similar to the 'tunneling' concepts.I feel that time is not an object to have dimensions.It is a counter that describes the interval between two events.So when u reach the speed of light that interval is less which inturn dilates the counting process.This gives an impression as though we have travelled to the future.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24696)   ranked 3 out of 5 in science fiction/fantasy  5 years ago

I actually believe that is true. I just love the idea of time travel so much I'll continue to read it with great relish! I have my ideas about how it would act, but I don't really think it can happen.

I hope to be proven wrong someday....

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