Could you believe in an invented religion?

@missak (3311)
Spain
May 22, 2007 12:02pm CST
I mean, you start like this: someone analyses the reality, you find some good characters that can represent the stereotypes of our society, and some imaginary beings that could reflect the things that happens in nature according to general knowledge (including scientific developpings as quantic mechanics and relativity). Then, that someone build a story that reflects somme common experiences so that anybody could find himself referenced that story. Then, this writer includes some personal abstract poems mingled with some popular songs of the time. Also, the writer tries to depict the faccets of the day to day life, paying special attention to holydays. That writer blends the traditional meaning of our holydays with the wrotten story, giving to them renewed senses. So everything is coherent and beliable, but you know who invented it. Could you then believe on that new religion? Do you think this could happen sometimes in real history? Do you care? Personally, I could believe in it if it is coherent and artistic, since I think anyhow art is proximal to God.
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24 responses
• United States
22 May 07
All religions are invented some just a lot longer ago then others. The example you give is that just an example you thought of or is there someone doing something like that?
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
22 May 07
Thanks for your answer. It is just an example I wrote, so would you believe in it?
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• United States
22 May 07
No, i would not believe in it, just like i don't believe in any other religion.
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@sigma77 (5385)
• United States
22 May 07
In my estimation, all religions are created by man. Anyone could do what this man has done. There are no specific qualifications for starting a religion. It could be made up of almost anything. There would always be some people who will believe it. There is no method to choose a religion, because all facts are assumptions and nothing is concrete except to the degree you believe it is. A very crafty and creative person could present anything and make it believable. I think believing in the Creator and all of his creations is religion enough for me.
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• United States
23 May 07
As soon as I read this I was thinking the exact same thing, I believe all religions are invented, they are all made by someone be it a man or group. Though I was brought up in the Catholic religion including going to a Catholic school all my life the reason I see it this way is because I am an Atheist all that time and all that teaching has never proven to me that there is a "God" and the bible has always appeared to me as a book of fables and teaching on how to live a good life, not neccesarily a historical document but the stories of man, therefore invented. Though I respect others for believing in whatever religion it is that they want to believe in, I don't believe in a higher power.
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• United States
24 May 07
I would never believe in an invented religion; that's why I'm an atheist.
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@winterose (39897)
• Canada
22 May 07
not as a religion, but as a philosophy of life, if it is sound and makes sense of course I would, all philosophies are created by great men like the ancient greeks to modern day, in fields not only philosophy but psychology, sociology, etc.
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@Karpov (68)
• Australia
23 May 07
Oh no......anything without a history to test its truth couldn't convince me. Even an invention is based on the past technolgy and the efforts of our fathers. But I couldn't imagine how many truth that an invented religion has accumulated. Have you even heard of the Esperanto? It is an artificial international language with a vocabulary based on word roots common to many European languages and a regularized system of inflection, invented in 1887. But this invented language didn't last for long. The English language become a worldwide language today. Have you even heard of the Falun Gong Cult in China? An invented religon, but later became a religion full of evilness. For me, terrible is not an invented religion but a heresy. A heresy theaten a religion more virgorously than it is as an invented religion.
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• India
23 May 07
I believe that there is only one God. Different religions emerged my men are as per the belief generated in the circumstances they lived and they may be or are right in many aspects. There is no need for any new religion, but the certain customs generated by certain vested interests are to be changed so that every religion will be more human and by that they will be more near to god. ( Previously I was started my discussions as a general subject and the responses received to me for any subject was very much poor. Now I am also starting my religious discussion on the specified subject "religion" of my lot. Thank you. )
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@Karpov (68)
• Australia
24 May 07
Ha....Yeah...I believe in only one God.
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• India
23 May 07
This is a difficult question to answer. In my place when the time election comes, some political parties will born . There will be some people attracted to that party. But after election these parties will be faded away.As far as religion is concerned, I believe it in a different way. Our religion is based on our birth,I mean according to the religion of our parents. If we join a new religion, it is as if we are going away from our parents and I do not like it. I could see yesterday some discussion of a person who was converted to another religion and making indecent blogs about his parent religion. I can not agree with him
@missak (3311)
• Spain
23 May 07
So what you mean is that a religion must be built over centuries and transmited trough generations? Somehow it grows up and get more deep and experienced with familiar strength, is it that?
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@LouisJ (490)
• Turkey
22 May 07
No, to believe in a purely invented religion would mean that I do not accept the word of the Quran as true,which in fact I do accept it fully as the word from Allah:)
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
22 May 07
I didn't see you in my muslims discussion, were you? If you weren't, check it out, you might like it.
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@lamiaa (581)
• Egypt
22 May 07
it is really happen , but i can't believe in it because it is come from a person , so what about if million make million religion , it is not right , i can't believe in any thing except what come from GOD and i know that ( Jewish , christian , Islam ) come from GOD , but if , and i say if someone came with a group idea that believe in good things like helping the people , homeless , children , poor people ,goodness , humanity , and doesn't call it religion , i will respect that
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@miryam (6507)
• Italy
22 May 07
it can....I think, that a man invent a religion for have a hope........But I'm Cristian, true or lie not important, a Creator exist..........I believe in God, that is the name tyat a man giuve He Bye Myry
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22 May 07
Basically, that is what all religions are. The Sumerians started it, with their Nephilim stories. If they did actually meet the Nephilim, then theirs is the one true religion, and all subsequent ones are frauds. If they were just trying to create a belief system, and never met their Gods, then all religiouns are bogus! You ask if this could happen - yes; Mormons, Christian Scientists, Moonies, Branch Davidians, were all invented in the last 200 years, according to the ethos you have remarked upon. All have found believers.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
22 May 07
I had not heard about the Nephilim, I'll research on that to make another discussion, thanks!
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22 May 07
Nephilim - Renaissance painting of a Nephilim, or Watcher Angel
The Nephilim appear first in the Sumerian religion, but also appear in Roman texts about the Underworld, the Book of Enoch, and Middle Ages texts by the Roman Catholic church! They should not be mistaken for the Gothic Rock band 'The Fields of the Nephilim' who sang such classic tunes as 'Preacher Man' and 'Moonchild'!
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
23 May 07
Thank you for the information. So I will research on this books, and also I am curious about the Gotic Rock band :)
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• India
22 May 07
A most interesting post, my friend, I have to commend you for it, but it is also going to be highly controversial. At least, the responses will be deemed so, if one speaks his mind. Kahlil Gibran's short story, Satan makes for a most interesting reading. It is a profoundly thought provoking work. A priest supposedly encounters Satan, who is lying on the ground, almost fatally injured in his combat with the sword wielding angel Gabriel. Satan beseeches the priest to save his life. The priest, who initially had failed to recognize Satan, shrinks away in horror and initially says that it is a good thing that he (Satan) is dying. Satan reasons that the priest has a livelihood only thanks to his (Satan's) existence and goes on to describe how the first religion on was the figment of a lazy and clever individual's imagination. That man supposedly went on to claim that he was not the creator, but only a person who was selected to show people the right path. He did that to avoid having to work, as people would pay him handsomely for his advice. I know this is a round about way of answering your post, but I think that you get the drift. Gibran makes for compelling reading. Read it sometime, if you have not already done you. You might like his style of writing and content. God bless!
@missak (3311)
• Spain
22 May 07
I have not seen you in my "Hindu Gods" discussion, didn't you like it or didn't you find it? And also many other religion discussions from all the beliefs I know. I'll definitly read Kahlil Gibran's short story, it sounds very interesting, deep and funny. Where can I find it? or what is the name of the book? God Bless!
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• India
22 May 07
I must have missed your discussion on Hindu gods. I'll definitely take a look around your other discussions too. As for the short story, it is definitely interesting and deep, but I didn't find anything funny about it :) You can find almost all the works of Kahlil Gibran on this site: http://leb.net/gibran Incidentally, to my knowledge, all the copyrights over his works have expired and thus, they have come into the public domain, meaning that you can freely display his works or even publish them, as long as you give due credit to him. You can find the short story, Satan, here: http://leb.net/gibran/works/satan.html
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• India
22 May 07
Kahlil Gibran's most popular painting - Known as the Divine World or simply as the Eye in the Palm, this is one of Gibran's most popular works of art. This painting is even rendered on the wall that houses his final resting place in his hometown of Lebanon.
This is one of Gibran's most popular works of art. He was a great artist too, besides being a poet and philosopher.
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
22 May 07
Artistic personal religion, eh? It's an interesting idea. I know people who change and mix things so much they might as well be making up their own religion, and there are some of them I really respect. Does that count? It's hard to think as if you weren't already part of the religion that you are sometimes. I think that's why you have so many responses by people talking about their own religion, because they can't take a step back and really consider what you are saying. Once we have our set beliefs, we sometimes get so entrenched in them it's hard to consider not having them. I'm having that problem too. I see my Gods as loved ones, so it's hard to think of not believing in them. I suppose for me that would cause a problem in following a religion that I know someone made up, because I do put such emphasis on the idea of my Gods as real beings that I have an actual relationship with. The connection my religion has to my heritage is also something that bears a lot of importance to me, so lacking that is another thing that would be a concern for me. I think believing in an "artistic personal religion" would take a lot of imagination and self-assurance, maybe more than I personally have. But it is a beautiful and amazing idea.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
23 May 07
I love your answer (I hope nobody gets jealous, there are many godd answers around too, I was impressed how far something that started more or less as a joke could go!). So you stated the main reason on why this couldn't work: a religion is also made by the use through times and an important thing is its roots on our ancestors knowledge. Bu you also took into account my "artistic mediation", which was the most important for me in this discussion. I do believe that art (specially music and more specifically drums, as we talked about in another discussion) is a direct link to the superior being/s. I come from the cuban tradition, where people could belong to different religions at the same time (until religion got forbidden). That obliged them to be widely open minded: if the only Godess over all is Oloddumare, how could it be the only God over all Nsambi? or Christ? This is matematically wrong, but they have found a good explanation: it is the same spirit but with different manifestations and names. Of course, they had to make some little changes to make things compatible, but not in the essence. The weirdest example is that cuban muslims wer allowed to eat pork, as in stronger cuban traditions it is more like an oblation to eat it. So all they have to do is call the name of Allah (Bismillah) while they eat it. I don't belong to any of these religions, but I like them, and I find they are right (they depict life accurately) as I also find many others are right. That is why I can abstract myself from anyone, and that doesn't mean that I don't deeply believe...
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
23 May 07
Thanks for sharing that interesting information! I don't really know that much about Cuban traditions, so that was really new to me. =) I'm really interested in the way you do things. I'm not really fond of people who take things from other religions but then insist they didn't do so (I've met a lot of people like this) but I love when people can unashamedly choose what they will believe from all that is available. This might sound silly coming from me, since I am so set in one tradition. But I think what determines those thigns is the type of person you are, your personal history, and the experiences that lead you down your path. I am so set in my own ways because as a very small child when I was in a really bad situation, a particular Goddess came to me in dreams, and I called her Mother. So the idea of following deities that aren't her, or related to her, is incomprehensible for me. She isn't some kind of far away spirit for me (that I could easily call by another name), she's my family. Does that make sense?
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
23 May 07
Of course it makes sense. I like your ways also. Thanks!
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• Denmark
22 May 07
The easy answer is: Of course nobody in their right mind would accept an invented religion knowing that it was in fact invented by man. To make it believable as a religion you would have to somehow make it appear as if it is the word of God. Today we have all this new scientific knowledge about the world which the old religions historically have had a hard time adapting to, often trying to deny facts that didn't fit into the world their religious beliefs seemed to describe. If someone could combine all these facts and come up with believable explanations/theories/stories/beliefs of what lies behind the world we see, what was before and what will come after then yes, I'm sure it could work as a religion. The key is that such a religion would appear to be based on facts that have been there always and therefore are not "invented", facts that just haven't been seen or recognized before. As to your question about art's role in our newly invented religion: I don't think it could work unless based on art and creativity. Without art it would just be scientific facts and that's just not sexy enough. It leaves no room for creativity, dreams or hopes. Art has that - "art factor" :). It takes basic facts and combines them into something more than if the facts where just added. 1+1=5. Taking the facts and making more of them is exactly what religion is.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
23 May 07
What a long "easy answer" lol. Very well thought. I just would add that I take art=creativity (perhaps using the Ockham's Razor). So in my idea, the role of art is the same that you explained as demonstration of the invented religion coming from God (see my answer above). I think it is the argument that John used for Revelations: they have been inspired by God and the prove is that they are artistic. I like your mathematical definition of art. That is why arts and mathematics are not good friends. I think taking the facts and making more of them is a good thing if you use it to live life to the fullest :)
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• Denmark
23 May 07
My point exactly!
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• Denmark
23 May 07
My point exactly!
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@nill_07 (1104)
• Bangladesh
16 Jun 07
HuMan beings have a certain goal to come in this earth. All souls available here from the past or in present or will appear in future are created for a special reason that make pray to know the creator.. At the first time when HuMan has been send in the earth from that moment Creator has taken the step to make aware the person/people so that they may able to make pary to know the creator. Specially The Creator take the step to familir them with the right way. He will say.. this right way so walk on this way then you will reach to your destination. Of course, some holy person had came in this world to reavels the true fact of the creator. And who believe on the true fact he is on the best way.. Man cant invent a religion only he can discover the religion because we are HuMan beings Created by a existence & ha has tkaen the part on his hand to create a region also. So I think it is alos unnecessary to invent a religion by HuMan.. I am a muslim. And I believe Islam is the religion of peace. As a part of HuMan I have message to you that is.. There is no god but Allah & Hazrat Mohhammad (Sollallahu Alihis Salam) is the messanger of Allah. Infact, the believer are one the right way...
@missak (3311)
• Spain
3 Jul 07
Thank you for this explanation. I have several discussions about Islam so maybe you can come and clarify a little! In Cuba we have some muslim influences from the Mandinga Empire, and many people salutate in this way: Salamalcun-Malecunsala. So Salamalecun to you!
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@healwell (1268)
• Ahmedabad, India
22 May 07
Whatt ever you have written with a starting point as a possibility and asked about new religion. Well, I think that we are passing through the era in which religions are raising so many question regarding human life and its integrity and making new society of global understanding to sustain the humanity and its deep conciousness for the betterment of life! I count this process as aspiritual development which could have assence of all the religion positively without calling or identifying that as a religion, but identfying that as a spiritual reality, which really lead us for peaceful living with equality, freedom with open clues for new addings in life for betterment easily! I look forward with this.
@missak (3311)
• Spain
23 May 07
So in this times of changes there is a lot of space for spiritual art/creativity, isn't it? I think that is the key for an equilibrated evolution that respects traditions and also affronts new sights. I also look forward to this!
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• United States
22 May 07
I am not much of a religious person, since I don't believe that going to church once a week makes me any better than anyone else. Religion presupposes a belief in God and/or another spiritual supreme being. This supreme being is of course imaginary, because you never see him or hear him. I stopped bwlieveing in imaginary people many years ago. I prefer instead to live my daily life according to principals and ideals that I consider to be appropriate.
• United States
22 May 07
If you think about it all religions have been invented according to the various cultural needs and dogma. Religion is the way men make themselves powerful so they can rule the masses. Nothing beeter to scare common folk than the threat of eternal damnation by unknown gods or godesses. Once you have the masses scared into believing you have the power to do as you want.
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@Lydia1901 (16353)
• United States
26 May 07
Well, that is a good way of putting it. That is just an eye opening. I would believe it if it is logical enough.
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• United States
22 May 07
I hate to tell you this, but they are all invented...not an original in the bunch!
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@Stiletto (4584)
22 May 07
Well all religions were invented at some point even if it was thousands of years ago. It's also been done more recently with Scientology for example but I think someone has already mentioned that in this discussion. Personally I doubt that I would believe in it as I don't believe in any religion that's around at the moment either but I'm sure many people who are looking for something to believe in would.
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• Pakistan
22 May 07
well i wouldnt believe in an invented religion. i have my own religion to follow. why run after doubtful ones. and about people inventing different sorts of religion, so i think that in every generation people have tried to find out many new ways to get people's attention and this could be one of them.
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