Why can't teachers give Honest Academic Reports?

@jennybianca (12912)
Australia
May 27, 2007 12:05am CST
As a retired teacher of 22 years, I am becoming very disheartened with the number of teachers who give out inaccurate reports on their students. An example: My step son, age 13.5 years is in year 8. I am well aware of what work a year 8 student shoukd be doing, & what is the average standard for year 8 in most subjects. Now fair enough, my step son does have academic problems, particularly with maths. So the teachers give him easier work. This is acceptable, but from what I understand the whole class get this easy work. Now what happens when he gets his report, he gets an "A" for English, & a "C" for maths. This is absolute rot. There is no way my step son is at A standard for English, more like a C standard would be his ability. For maths, he should receive a fail. This is assuming they are assessing students at year 8 level. However, as my step son is doing around year 6 work, his report should reflect this.It is presenting a totally false image of how the child is doing. We had had this problem for a few years, with my step childrens teachers. Many, although not all, insist on marking them far higher than what they are. I know we don't want to erode a child's self esteem, but we really should NOT be giving false information to parents regarding their childs academic progress. Most parents want to know the truth.
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@Fishmomma (11377)
• United States
27 May 07
I was told by the school board and other teachers that I was required to pass a certain number of students when I was teaching. Its one of the reasons I quit because I refused to pass a student, who couldn't read and was not attending class often. The school board felt it was my fault that the student wasn't learning; however, I told them this student attended class only 3 days that month. How was I expected to teach the student to read? The parent told me that she couldn't bring her child to class because she had two other younger children that she brought to a different school. The case went to court and the parent was required to bring her child to class or the child would be removed from her home. The child was removed from the home and ended up in a foster home. Sadly, I never heard what happened to the child, as he ended up living in a different state and the case was closed.
@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
27 May 07
i would do the same. Although I retired after 22 years, my reasons were not the same as yours, but you could say that I felt my views were incompatible with the Education Departments!
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
27 May 07
Too many teachers feel that the child must be successful in order to feel good about themselves. They think that by inflating the grades and reports the student will feel better about themselves. The truth is that most students understand that they are getting easier work and it doesn't improve their self esteam. Rather students acheiving at difficult work and challenging themselves is what helps their self esteam.
@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
27 May 07
I couldn't agree more. Congratulations on having the hindsight to see this, (as many don't).
• United States
10 Dec 07
I agree with you. A child should be given the correct grade for their grade level. Unfortunately, the schools feel it's better to give grades rather than the student earn the grade. I am a teacher at a high school and right now I am teaching capentry. The school wants me to give the students work that is appropriate for elemtary age students so that they don't fail. I refuse to do this and when the students don't pass (normally because they refuse to do the work)they ask me why I gave them that grade. I simply look at them and say, "I didn't give you anything, you earned that grade." Then the guidance counselor goes behind my back and tells these kids they can make up their work. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not totally against that except when I give the students work that is found right in their books and they are using their books to do the work and they just look at me and say, "I'm not doing it. Give me a zero." I know I have gone off subject, sorry about that. I do agree with you though.
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@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
11 Dec 07
I can understand completely where you are coming from. I was a teacher for 22 years before retiring. Had I been teaching now in certain schools, I would have been in the same position as you. I can see that people want kids to have confidence with higher grades, but this is so unrealistic, & in my mind, does not prepare the students for further education.
@chertsy (3798)
• United States
27 May 07
I feel the same way. My daughter's old school had a whole new grading system all because they didn't want the kids to feel bad about themselves about there grades. Well, when those same kids went to take the SAT's nearly all of them failed it. So that made the school district to change that. Luckily I got my daughter out of that county into a new one thatgives my daughter a better education. I am glad that they fixed it before more kids got screwed up.
@chertsy (3798)
• United States
28 May 07
It's not the kids fault in this cases. The schools should know that this doesn't work. As a parent I want to see the real grade, that way I know what my daughter needs help on.
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@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
28 May 07
A lot of these students are going to be caught out with our National LAN tests. These are a state wide exam, used in other states too, that was onlly given to years 3,5 & 7. This year for the first time, it was given to year 9, & my daughter was in the trial group (results not available yet). So next year my step son will have it the same exam.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
28 May 07
I think the grading system needs to be done away with. I do not think grades reflect a student's potential or abilities. I think the grading system creates more low self-esteem because all kids are compared to the brightest or those with the highest grades. This leads to inferiority complexes or feelings of not measuring up. That is a crock in my book. Giving a child a higher grade really does nothing for self-esteem. The child will only build his/her self esteem through action. If he/she is taught how to do something and actually goes through the process of doing it, that is building self-esteem. Even if he/she fails, there is always the chance to try again. What good is learning a bunch of facts and theories if you never get to test them out in real life? Knowing you can successfully complete a project helps to give a child confidence, and that reinforces self-esteem. While one child may be good in drawing or art, another might be a whiz at fixing computers. Both have learned skills and both have a higher level of self worth because they have put their skills to use in practical situations. I know little about teaching. But this is my idea of what school should be like.
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@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
28 May 07
These methods were very fashionable for many year. In fact, it was largely your suggested method of assessment that was aroud when I was teaching. Most parents don't like it & don't want it.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
28 May 07
I might add that schools seem to me to teach failure. If a student fails the first or second time, that reinforces the idea of quitting before achieving success. Perhaps the child needs to be given the chance to succeed by learning from failures and continuing to work it out until successful.
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• Singapore
27 May 07
Why are you upset that he is getting better grades than he should be getting? Strange parent. :P I am guessing it was some moderation at work. Might it not be that? Everyone got their grades moderated up. Nothing wrong with that, it's a common practice. I had some exams which were so hard that maybe only 1 or 2 out of a few hundred taking the exam will pass. And we are not stupid students. Elite schools especially like to do it this way. So depending on how "well" you fail, you will get the grade accordingly.
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@chertsy (3798)
• United States
28 May 07
Getting moderated grades really doesn't help that person when he/she gets an A when the grade should of been a lot lower. We had a school district do this, and those kids went and failed the SAT's all because they honestly thought they could pass it. Kids that had high GPA's in school failing the SAT's isn't good. What made it bad was it wasn't just a few, it was every single person from that school district. Luckily the school district fixed this, so if a child got a A, that person honestly worked his/her butt off for it.
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@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
27 May 07
It's like this. There is a huge perception, largely justified, that parents are not being told honestly how their child is really doing. They want to know in the earlier years of schooling, so that if the child has learning problems, they can seek extra outside help. Too many parents find out, for instance when their child is 14 years, that they have significant learning problems, & by then it is difficult to address (and the child is uncooperative). I understand about moderation. That largely doesn't happen until years 11 & 12 here, although, in the better schools, it can occur as early as year 8. My step sons school doesn't moderate; they don't even do tests, let alone exams. I have seen his work, & there is no way he is even doing year 8 work. Thus, the idea of moderation, if it existed, which it doesn't, wouldn't apply in his situation anyway. Unfortunately many teachers greatly fear parent reaction, which can be very unreasonable. I understand that, being an ex teacher myself. If you read response number 1, you will see the extent of what I am referring to (although our situation is a little different in the set up). Unfortunately, until my step son is recognised by the system as needing specialised help, he will not get any. And he wont be recognised as needing help if he is getting A', or even "C"s. For a child who barely knows half his tables, & can't divide, at age 13.5, this is not good. Before any other My Lotter decides to make assumptions here, no, I can't do much about it as we do not have access fulltime, & certainly can't change his schools, as his Mother has the greater say over my step sons education.
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• Singapore
27 May 07
Then there really isn't much you can do - except to tutor him yourself or engage some decent private tutors for him.
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@GardenGerty (157661)
• United States
28 May 07
Because of the "No Child Left Behind" act, we have assessments in every state. You cannot fudge on them as they are standardized tests, taken on the computer, with a proctor in the room. They are not up to the teacher to create. Some students get some accommodations, like a quiet room, and some parts of the exams read to them. Certainly not the reading passages, though. It sounds as if this is an ongoing problem, if more than one of your step children have been graded that way. Is it possible that the standards are being "dummied down" for the entire class to make the teachers look like better teachers? I know for awhile that was the case in some parts of the United States.
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
7 Jul 07
Unfortunately, this happens because teachers are asked not to fail students. And you're right, it happens because schools don't want to hurt a child's self-esteem. I teach, and principals ask that we don't give a child lower than a 65 the first 9 weeks because it will dishearten them. If they make a 20 on a test, we have been asked to give them a 50, as a 50 is the lowest score they want a student to receive. Don't blame the teachers, go to the school systems and administrators who are asking the teachers to do these things.
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@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
23 Nov 07
I expect you are mostly correct. In south Australia, the teachers have a fair bit of influence over policy issues, such as the standard of work set & how to report it.
@Willowlady (10658)
• United States
27 May 07
I miss the day when tests were taken and that was how the score was computed. Simple and honest in my estimation. Schools are not working well these days and it is a matter of time I think when the whole system will need to brought back to basics. I can only hope and that is why I homeschool my children. I know they learn important things and I know what they are capable of and achieve. Good luck with the school system. A hard road to follow for sure.
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@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
28 May 07
It is the reason home schooling is becoming more popular here too. My friend, who home schools her 6 children, has the eldest doing year 12 now. The girl is getting straight "A"'s in all subject, which includes the hard ones, such as double maths, physics & chemistry.
• United States
27 May 07
I agree and you do many other parents. I think this is obvious as I received responses indicating this in a recent discussion I opened on a similar topic. I would speak with the teacher how "fluffing" children's progress is unacceptable.
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• United States
27 May 07
giving a false image of a child's ability is not gonna help him out with a good job once he or she is out of college. that is doing more harm than good.I agree with you totally.
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@kumbarn14 (735)
• Pakistan
27 May 07
I dont understand what kind of education system is this school following. How can you set question paper according to one child's capability, isnt this class consist more than 1 student.
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@golfproo (1839)
• Canada
27 May 07
I agree with you. I am in the education role myself as the Vice-Principal of a large school. I see this all the time. There are usually three reasons for it. 1. The teacher genuinely feels they must inflate the child's mark to help build their self-esteem. 2. The teacher does not take their job too seriously and does not know how to properly evaluate. 3. The teacher does not want conflict or friction with the family of the student. It is usually one or all of those reasons from my experience anyways. You do make a great point. cheers,
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@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
28 May 07
It is great to hear from someone in a position to know exactly what I am talking about. I agree 100% with your reasons. I looked up your profile. Where do you come from?
@Aiding (15)
• Philippines
22 Nov 07
I really appreciate your stand as a former teacher and a step mom. I am also a teacher like you but my experience here in my country is the opposite. I tried to be honest with my reports but parents here and students would always insist on a passing mark even if it is failing but I have to be firm with my decision because I have basis of that decision. How I wish I could have parents like in your place who would go for honest report.
@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
23 Nov 07
A lot of parents don't want honesty. They just want to believe their child is doing well, and are not realistic.