Why Are There No Safety Belts On Our School Buses?

@gtargirl (5376)
United States
October 22, 2008 5:19pm CST
Driving my son back from school today I noticed about three brand new school buses. They are the smaller kind, with a truck-like front end; really pretty, shiny yellow paint, with dark black writing. Impressive. But . . . still no safety belts. It would make sense to me that our kids need to be safe, even on the bus. Isn't it against the law? Am I missing something?
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
23 Oct 08
I might be wrong, but I think schools that could afford it do have seat beats installed on their buses..I know my sons bus does not and that is scary and makes one wonder that they have had this law for indivduals for what, 20-25 years, but on publis or school transportation, there is no law.. I think they don't make it a law because some schools are struggling financially and to make them pay for it, would mean some cuts they can't afford. As for passing a levy for the taxpayers to pay for it? I wouldn't hold my breathe around here, for 2 years the high school students had no bussing because they couldn't get the last levy to pass.. So I guess it would all come down to, who is going to pay for the seat belts??
@GardenGerty (157691)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Some buses do have seat belts, especially the ones that haul special needs children. It also may comfort you to know that at least in my state, and I assume federally, buses that haul pre school children have car seats, boosters, and harnesses. It is not hard to get most preschool children to comply, and then they are more likely to grow up obeying the rules about seat belts. I was a bus driver for many years. Yearly we took first aid, cpr, and defensive driving. Monthly we had safety meetings. I learned how to put out a fire using a fire extinguisher, got to use an actual fire in a burn pan. Practiced searching a smoke filled bus. Learned why we do not do high speeds around curves (high center of gravity, easy to tip over). I would say that if you are concerned about bus safety in your schools you find out what kind of training they are required to have to be a driver. I know it differs from state to state. Training would save even more lives than seat belts.
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@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Yes, I guess we'll be struggling with this one for a while. GardenGerty makes some great arguments though. Let's hope that all bus drivers drive careful enough to avoid any accidents.
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• United States
23 Oct 08
Thanks for clearing that up GardenGerty, but I am sure if what you said is right, and the seats are protective enough, then it is best to not have them on a regular school bus, where the belts might be used for something other than what it was meant to be used for..
@fasttalker (2796)
• United States
23 Oct 08
I used to drive a school bus. It was a few years ago but we were always told it was because of the fire hazard. Could you imagine trying to unbuckle yourself then 30 or so kids in a flaming bus that you have seconds to get out of becasue of the fuel it carries? Makes sense to me. The seats are designed to work as a safety devices (the high backs) which I can understand but those high backed seats makes it darn near impossible to see the kids. I transported some handicapped kids and this always concerned me because of the inability to see them. They could choke and fall over in the seat or something and you would never know it. But I certainly wouldn't want them to have the lower seats with no seat belts.
@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
23 Oct 08
The fire hazard is a problem. Has there been such a case? Then again, I would still think a volunteer parent should ride the bus with our kids. Plus the school buses I've ridden on did not have those high backs. Maybe the newer ones have those. But they seem to be a hazard too, from what you're presenting here. Anyway, good points fasttalker. Thanks for sharing. Have an wonderful evening.
@GardenGerty (157691)
• United States
23 Oct 08
It is not against the law. As a former bus driver I can see it both ways. Just think of the damage an angry or even teasing student could do to another by swinging that belt. New Federal laws are coming that will require higher seat backs and more cushioning on large busses and seatbelts on the smaller ones. I am afraid it will be just about impossible to monitor the seat belt usage, even if they are put in. Construction of the very high seats is supposed to cocoon the riders and protect them in case of a collision. Even seat belts would not protect them if the bus overturned, though. They are very high centered and subject to that.
@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Good points. I would have volunteer parents ride the bus to keep those children in check though. If that were possible, of course.
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@GardenGerty (157691)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Some disgruntled parent would offer to sue your volunteer parent for making his little kid mind. I think if they grow up with the expectation most of them will wear them. It only takes one to make the driver miserable, though.
• United States
23 Oct 08
Oh wow, GardenGerty, I didn't think of that..So maybe I was wrong thinking that some schools already have them..
@luvandpower (2048)
• United States
25 Oct 08
I know out in the school district I live in that the special education school buses have the seat belts, also there was a point that one former bus drive had made that I agree and disagree with. They mentioned that the children would hit each other with the seat belts, but what about in like the middle of the school year, sure a few kids may get bruises at first, but guess what after they get hurt the first time they stop after that. I understand about the child's safety is looked at first, and it should be, but this is a PUBLIC item, transportation is by law not a requirement, it is just something that they give as an option because we as humans know parents have a life that they have to go by also.
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@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
31 Oct 08
Hehehe, true my friend. Let's hope that after the first time a kid gets whacked with a safety belt that it would be the last. I'm thinking it wouldn't be ongoing behaviour. Or, at least, we would hope not. I am glad that the special ed buses have safety belts. Anyway, thanks for dropping in. I appreciate your input.
@luvandpower (2048)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Yea I agree fully with Hiccup on this matter. Think about how much a superindentdent of a small city makes a year, it is around 75,000-150,000 a year. So that is like 1.3 percent of a WALL STREET investment in a lower fortune 500 company. Therefore, they put less care in well early childhood and education, and secondary education, then they should. That 150,000 dollars that is being made a year could be cut in half and used for better items. Think about it,a tire can cost up to 400 dollars each. So, if you had to pay lets say 200 dollars to be a good fair of estimate per seat belt, just half of 150,000 dollars could pay for all the buses in a school system. We as people of the city are not working together to bring down the big money makers and brining in someone who cares. Luvandpower
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@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
23 Oct 08
How do we bring down these people in charge? I've never seen this on any ballot. You make some great points, my friend. Thanks for your input. Have an awesome evening.
• United States
25 Oct 08
Well to start off with, a superindentdent if I remember correctly is a hired person, therefore, you would have to get rid of your current schoolboard committee. This can be simply done by electing people who aren't in it just for the money, but who truly do care about the children, then you have to put in your own opinion to who should be what, and who to do what, and how money should be used. Also, petitions for such things are quite useful to do also. As most petitions you would have to get a majority vote.
• United States
22 Oct 08
why would we invest in that? the children would'nt put them on anyways, besides those school buses have some of the highest safety rating in a front end crash
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@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Mmmmm, Justin I'm thinking that you don't have any kids. I could be wrong but at 18 . . . well anyway. Your discussions aren't exactly kid friendly either, though I haven't checked all of them. But more to your point here, I would call for volunteer parents to ride the bus with the kids and make sure they are strapped in. We moms do silly things like that. In any case, I do thank you for dropping in. Have a good evening.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Im not sure that any school bus has seat belts and most of the busses go pretty slow so I just dont know about it. Is there seat belts on city busses? I never saw one but then I havent rode one for years and years!
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
24 Oct 08
I think they don't have them because if they had them they would have to have a bus monitor to stop kids from removing them and the school doesn't want to be open to any more lawsuits. Sad but true. I would think they could just have a, "your kid can't sue us if they unbuckle the belt" policy, but maybe that doesn't work.
@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
24 Oct 08
Oh I think that's a great policy to have. I suggested a parent volunteer to ride the bus but apparently that's not do-able either.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
23 Oct 08
I have often wandered the very same thing. It does not makes any sense to me at all, that they do not have them.
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@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Maybe we'll get to vote on it one of these days. Then I guess we'll hear both sides.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
23 Oct 08
A few well publicised bus crashes where kids were killed led to calls for seat belts on school buses Here...I have no kids to be aware of how many buses are now fitted with belts,but I believe some are...of course,there are the cons in the argument of the money saving issue,and the health and safety issues of somebody's little darling clonking another kid a good one with a swung buckle,or another one tripping...Some folks want such safety provision,others don't like being told what to do..How long have we had seat belt wearing legislation,and every week in the local papers there are prosecutions brought against drivers not wearing a Belt? If you can't get all Adults to drive a vehicle wearing a belt despite knowing of the risks,what chance do you have with a busload of immature,unsupervised,boisterous kids?
@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Hehehe, I still can't get over that: "somebody's little darling clonking another kid a good one with a swung buckle, or tripping . . . " I guess we'll always have one accident or another with kids. All points taken, Shepherd.
@ersmommy1 (12588)
• United States
23 Oct 08
My daughter has been riding the bus since she was 3. She got a bus to pre-school. Those buses had seat belts. But now she is in kindergarten. And the larger buses don't have them. I am sure budget constraints would be given as the reason (excuse). As a parent I would feel better with older looking buses with chipped paint jobs that had the belts.
@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
24 Oct 08
Yes, if the older buses had them I wouldn't mind the chipped paint. I guess the arguments presented here has been the kids themselves--they would hurt other kids with the belts and such things. I guess we'll be arguing this one for a while.
@rbailey83 (1428)
• Canada
23 Oct 08
machine gun kitty - machine gun kitty comment photo, love this photo with the animation, there are days i definately feel like this
lol yes i have never understood why there are no seat belts on the school busses, it would make sense to have them, atleast some type of safety belt, lol but not too sure we will ever see them on the busses.
• Belgium
23 Oct 08
that i dnt no but they shud ave selt belts coz what if the bus crashes then all the kids are gunna be killed if not injured so they shud
• United States
23 Oct 08
ive always thought about that too. its so strange to me!!
@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
24 Oct 08
A little strange huh? Plus have you ever wondered why there are safety belts on board a plane. Once a plane crashes the belts are probably pointless.