What would happen if an American journalist did it to the Prime Minister of Iraq

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
December 17, 2008 12:01pm CST
I want some serious honest opinions here. I can't seem to find the federal statutes referring to battery on a foreign dignitary in the US. If you commit battery on a regular person here in Florida it is punishable by up to a year in jail and a $5,000 fine. I would think if someone did that to a foreign dignitary here he would be spending a few years in a federal prison and people from the offended country would be clamoring about how horrible Americans are. Somehow when it happens to our president though, people are just fine with it. Obama hasn't even mentioned it and liberals in general seem to think it's great.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
17 Dec 08
Hold the keyboard for a second Taskr the only thing I thought was great about it is how fast Bush was. He could have been seriously hurt; broken nose or worse. I mean did you see how close that second shoe was to him? My dad is also a Liberal and he was not happy with how long it took the secrete service to respond. I'm sure that with Bush's approval rating that most aren't shocked but, I don't think that it was right and I was shocked. As for this same thing happening in the US I don't think we would throw shoes. Most people I know think the biggest insult is to throw up the middle finger or to just tell the person to go f themselves.
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• United States
17 Dec 08
I was also shocked at the Secret Services response to this. YOu would think being Iraq they would have been paying really close attention to what was going on. They were lucky it was only a shoe.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Jan 09
Zephyr, you made a great point there about what the biggest insult would be to Americans. That was the whole point of that Iraqi loser throwing a shoe, to them that's a huge insult and show of the utmost in disrespect, probably the equivalent of our flipping the bird or thumbing our noses. Annie
@MntlWard (878)
• United States
18 Dec 08
Even Bush said he had no problem with the event, and it's not like al-Zaidi is going free for this attempted assault. He's in jail now awaiting trial. What do you think should happen to him that isn't already happening?
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@tammytwo (4298)
• United States
17 Dec 08
A journalist here would face criminal charges. I have worked in the field myself and although I may have felt like letting a few people know exactly how I feel I have never thought of abusing anyone. A journalist is there to do a job and should act in a professional manner regardless of what the person has done or said to make them unhappy.
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• United States
17 Dec 08
Well I don't think it is great. IMO it showed a real lack of respect to any foreign dignitary. The idiot who threw the shoe is now being hailed as a hero in his country. I am pretty sure if it happened here in the USA then the journalist would be facing some jail time.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Dec 08
Fortunately this jerk is facing jail time. Some thing he may get off though just because he has this new cult status. That's just a translation of the "celebrities are above the law" garbage that we deal with here.
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@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
17 Dec 08
I don't understand what the big issue is here. If that man broke Iraqi law, he should be prosecuted as their law outlines. If he has not broken the law he should be set free. It seems pretty simple to me. But then again, so does prosecuting ILLEGAL immigrants. Illegal is illegal. If they broke the law they should be prosecuted. Having said that, I guess it's no wonder that we see all this gray area with this incident.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Dec 08
Well that's why we have laws and that's why we have laws that prescribe punishments according to crimes. The law also makes it clear that the victim is not to be put on trial, but people have already tried and convicted Bush in their minds so to some, anything done to him is justifiable. One jerk even claimed Bush would throw the guy in Guantanamo as a terrorist which is exactly the opposite of what Bush has done.
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• United States
19 Dec 08
So they are willing to let a criminal go free because they agree with his criminal convictions. It's sad really. I would expect it from some of these middle eastern countries where the law is not sacrosanct as it is here. well as it is supposed to be.
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• United States
17 Dec 08
If an american journalist had committed the crime against the prime minister of iraq, he would be probably be punished justly for battery. Unfortunately, this Iraqi man will probably be marked as a terrorist and put in Guantanamo bay, being beaten and tortured until his release (if he is ever released)!
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Dec 08
Give me a break. You can see right now that the U.S. is not recommending any punishment at all for the guy and leaving it up to the Iraqi government completely yet you sit there and spew this garbage. I know you're just a child Alex, but if you're going to post crap like that, you might want to read up on current events first.
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• United States
17 Dec 08
It happened in Iraq or they are letting the Iraqi government deal with it. The US government is saying it is up to Iraq to decide his punishment sense the crime happened in their country. I really do not see this guy in Gitmo. But it is probly a holiday inn compared to the Iraq jail he is probly heading to.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
17 Dec 08
Well that journalist would be in an Iraqi jail. The same question could be asked what would happen if a conservative radio talk show host throw something at the Lord Barack Obama. Not only would that radio talk show host would be thrown in jail for ever, but that would make a good excuse to do away with all conservative radio talk shows. Bush is evil and any violence, no matter how uncivilized it is, towards Bush is acceptable toward Bush.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
18 Dec 08
I think its just another way of showing the difference between a mature democracy and a degenarative theocracy prevalent throughout the islamic world. Seperate mosque and state and this soert of thing stops. Leave things as they are and throwing shoes, blowing people up and bombing will take the place or voting and democracy blessed be
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
7 Jan 09
First of all, I think our security here is such that it would be highly unlikely for anything like that to happen here. I don't mean it's totally out of the question, but it's certainly unlikely. Second, as my friend Zephyr mentioned, it's really unlikely an American journalist would be throwing shoes at anyone. That has no meaning to us like it does to Iraqis. The equivalent would be for one of our journalists to give them the finger or shout out a curse word. I'm not sure where you get that people are just fine with what happened to Bush here or that liberals think it's great. Of course there will always be a small minority who will think anything bad that happens to any politician is great and maybe with Bush's approval rating as low as it is there are a few more in his case than there normally would be but most people I've heard comment on it have been relieved it was a shoe and not some kind of an explosive and that he wasn't hit and are disturbed by the Secret Service's slow reaction to it. I'm unsure if Obama had anything to say about it or not. As I recall he was in Hawaii when it took place, wasn't he? Regardless, what SHOULD he have said? Annie
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
7 Jan 09
"Who throws a shoe, honestly?" The laws are different for every country. Currently the offender is waiting to stand trial. What they will do to him is anyone's guess. Quite a few people in that country were impressed with his actions, and they see it as just an insult, and not an attempted assault. However, the government may not agree, and an assault on a public official may very likely not go unpunished. We'll just have to wait and see.
@MisterPlus (1915)
• Philippines
23 Dec 08
We are all defenders of our own home. There may be animals that don't practice same thing as we do. But, we care for our home and the people we love. Punishments are given to people who deserve it. Care for the people in your own home and love your neighbor to make this world a better place to live in. I hope one day we will all be one for a reason. Enjoy every beautiful thing there is and care for the future. Happy here.
• United States
6 Jan 09
It's my understanding that the Iraqi reporter who threw his shoes at President Bush has been arrested and is awaiting trial. What more could we ask? As for Obama (and the liberals) commenting on the incident, I have no idea whether he did or not. But what would you have them say? It was a sad but futile act of protest. Bush wasn't hurt--thank goodness. (That from a bonafide liberal, by the way.) All in all, the whole thing was 15 seconds of fame for the shoe thrower. It also raises questions, as others have indicated, about the effectiveness of the president's security detail. In the end, the action itself was clearly an expression of exasperation and frustration on the part of the journalist--and an action that violated Iraqi law. If our efforts to foster democracy and the rule of law in Iraq have had their desired effect, he will be punished in accordance with Iraqi law.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
7 Jan 09
In retrospect I think Obama probably did the best thing by ignoring the incident as Bush himself played it down and failing to be insulted trivialized the moron's attempt to insult Bush. The reason I spoke about liberals is that many of them think it's great he did this. Whether you like Bush or not an insult to him is an insult to our country. There are morons that now have shoe throwing contests where they throw shoes at posters of George Bush. I don't see most conservatives bragging about Ann Coulter, but I do see liberals bragging about this. Besides, Ann Coulter never physically attacked anyone. She's an entertainer who just goes for shock value.
• United States
8 Jan 09
"Many liberals" is a generalization that has almost no meaning. I personally have not witnessed any of the behaviors you note. Who are these liberals you cite? Are they liberals, or are they simply "morons" using politics as an excuse for bad behavior? The closest thing I've seen to what you note are found in the parodies of political cartoonists and comedians--and they go after politicians of all stripes, liberal and conserrvative. Ann Coulter, on the other hand, is a specific conservative who has engaged in a long line of bad behaviors. She does not present herself as a shock-value entertainer. She presents herself as a bonafide voice of the conservative movement. Do I regard her as "typical" of all conservatives? Of course not. But she certainly has her supporters (Rush Limbaugh, for example). On the other hand, you seem ready to generalize toward all liberals, pointing your accusations broadly and without evidence to support your generalizations. Essentially, you are accusing liberals of not playing fair, not being respectful of the presidency. In my opinion, the form you take with your generalizations amounts to the same thing--not playing fair and not being respectful of individuals who happen to be liberals, regardless of their personal behavior. Bad behavior is not a characteristic quality of either liberals or conservatives. It's just bad bahavior. You might consider that the next time you are tempted to use a generalization like the one on which this discussion is based.
• United States
7 Jan 09
P.S.: On further consideration, I wonder why you have made this a "liberal" issue--and an "Obama" issue. I don't really see as how this incident has anything to do with liberalism or Obama's policies. If you turn the process (if not the incident) around, it's a bit like asking the whole conservative movement to take responsibility for Ann Coulter's disrespectful attitude toward the president elect and her insistence on referring to him as "B. Hussein Obama." It's also a bit like asking George Bush to be in some way personally responsible for and supportive of the actions of Mugabe in Zimbabwe. It's all an exercise in deflecting blame where it does not belong. My 2 cents.
• United States
18 Dec 08
You know you actually bring up quite a fine point there, oh and I really do not like the way some people think hes a hero foring assaulting Bush.... I quite find it to be a shame, if it was an American it would be a shame. Also I bet if we tried that to a Iraqi leader they wouldnt exactly take it as lightly....
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
17 Dec 08
I personally feel that it is not right to treat anyone in that manner, especially when he has gone on a visit.But here , there are many other factors involved and the Iraqis in general are extremely angry with the President and looking for an opportunity to show this feeling no matter how wrong it is.It is very difficult to see it only as a matter of a punishable offense.
@jammyt (2818)
• Philippines
18 Dec 08
I'm sure they'd makelife hell for him if he were American. Also, after being in Iraqi jail, it ain't over for him when he gets back to the US.
@piya84 (2581)
• India
18 Dec 08
i think american journo wont do dat..they know more good ways to express their anger...about incident i agree he shud not behave like dat...but man look at the anger behind his action..and the way he has become hero in all muslim nation anger is nt limited to one journo....its all over
• India
18 Dec 08
i think it should not happen to any president because the president is always a great person that the common man because he has to look after the whole country, he should be given great respect because the president is a president