Parents who do not want their children to have Vaccines
By Amber
@AmbiePam (121270)
United States
January 2, 2009 12:38pm CST
I don't know anything about it, so I thought I'd ask. When I was a child, before I could enter school, my parents had to bring in a paper proving I had had the necessary vaccinations required. If I hadn't had them, I couldn't come to school. I don't know if that is the way everywhere, but it was like that when I was a child.
Over the years I have had vaccinations for work which I voluntarily submitted to. I had to have it for my job, but I could always have said no and looked for another job.
So my question is this: if vaccinations are required to go to school, or to do anything else, what do parents do who are against giving their children vaccines? I guess homeschooling is one option, but I have to think that isn't something a lot of people can do. And aren't there other things besides children first entering school that require proof of your child's vaccinations records?
I get that a vaccine like Guardisil (spelling is probably wrong) is optional, but what about the other ones that are not optional? Or have things changed so much there are no vaccines children have to get before starting school?
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19 responses
@Foxxee (3650)
• United States
9 Jan 09
There is a way around it... it's called the Ummunization/Vaccine Waiver. Any parent who doesn't vaccine still has a right to have their child in schools & with a waiver, the school can't do anything. They say at least 15 students in a public school has not had vaccines. Some are due to health problems, some, its just a choice...
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
3 Jan 09
Have got to admit, AmbiePam, I am a bit of a fence-sitter on this one! Also when I entered school many years ago it was a requirement, and I feel these vaccines helped eradicate many serious infectious diseases. So, non-vaccination allows a new round of that disease to surface (which several have been recently.) But, on the other hand, as an adult, in my job as a paramedic, (past), it was required that I have a "Hep.B" vaccination, or sign a release...I signed the release! I was of mixed emotions, because I could protect myself (90%) of the time from the manner in which this disease was spread! Cheers!
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@AmbiePam (121270)
• United States
4 Jan 09
Yes, I had the Hep B vaccination, but I didn't know it was optional, if it was. I was working in a children's mental hospital. Since it was paid for by them, I just thought hey, there is something else I won't get, so why not do it. Of course that was just my personal choice. I've been so sick that I wanted to at least know I wouldn't get that. lol
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
I do not know the options in your country...but I did have the option! I was concerned for myself as I carry the Hep C virus (very serious bout of "yellow jaundice" at age 12) and that is a virus you carry for life. I cannot donate blood! I did a lot of research before opting out, but also knew that if I protected myself from bodily fluids from patients, I should be OK! I never went on an ambulance call without all pockets stuffed with masks and gloves!
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
14 Jan 09
kThank you, so kindly, ambiepam....I do appreciate your voice of confidence, and thank you, also, for such a great topic.....and a great round of thoughts & opinions! I love these kinds of discussions here, they make one think! Cheers!
@AmbiePam (121270)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Even though the number is so very small compared to the children who are fine, I think the fear of the vaccine going "wrong" has spread. I think the odds of the child suffering due to vaccines given as a child (which have been around awhile) is so small I would be afraid not to get them for a child. But then again, I'm not in the minority of people who have a child which is affected. And even then, I wonder if it is the vaccine? Or perhaps some other environmental cause? I'm not very educated on the subject.
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@doulaworks (1079)
• United States
3 Jan 09
in most states parents can get a vaccine exemption, Some get one based on philosopphy, but many get on based on "personal" religious beliefs, while other get one based on medical exemption (they are hardest one to get). all 5 of my children (ranging in age from 28 to 14) and both of my grand children (5 an 16 months) as well as all my neices and nephews ( ranging in ages from 34 to 6 months) have religious exemptions, which have been valid for public and private shcools in Florida, Az, California, Oh, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. My Neice has traveled to France, England and Germany with no immunzations. I know many people who have choosen to not vaccinate thier children, while others have done what is called "selective vaccinations" and still some have used homeopathic routes. It is a personal choice, yet I know none who have taken it lightly. We all did our own reserch and found what was right for our families. I also know people who have stared to get routine vaccines and then opted to get an exemption after learning mroe about the risk and benefits.
there is a great site that explains much of the details state by state called The National Vaccine Information center. (www.shots909.com) they also have many links to reserch based inof, where to file a claim when a child in injured be immunzations, (a fund set up by the federal goverment) and other sites to get up to date info. state by state on what exemptions are avaliable. I do not advocate for others to do anything other than make informed choices about the health care of their children and find what is right for them, rather than just take the word of Dr. or Nurses, that it is manditory, nothing is. we do have CHOICES, and I feel it is a parents responsibility to learn all they can to make informed ones. Be well,

@fasttalker (2796)
• United States
2 Jan 09
I don't really understand a parent not wanting a child vaccinated. Both of my kids were required to have thier shot records when they started school and my oldest son had to have his shot record when he went into the military too. So I'm no sure if home schooling would work, There are other things the will need the records for too.
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@AmbiePam (121270)
• United States
2 Jan 09
It seems a lot of parents fear that vaccines can cause autism. I think this is very rare, if it is indeed true (which it very well could be, I don't think enough research has been done). There have been a few famous women who have spoken about their child being vaccinated and then when they have gotten older they are diagnosed with autism.
Like I said, I don't have children, but if I did, I'm pretty sure I'd be more worried about what would happen to my child if they didn't get vaccinated.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
I really shouldn't butt in here, friends....but two immediate thots;
1. Today, when many countries are giving options for vaccination, and many parents have opted out, we have a much greater percentage of non-vaccinated children...WHY is the autism rate, all over, the highest in history?
2. Many of the diseases being vaccinated for are soil/air/environment borne...HOW does home-schooling help?
We are seeing a resurgence of many of these diseases around the world? WHY?

@glords (2614)
• United States
3 Jan 09
I think that you can be excused from these regulations with the appropriate paper work. It just means you have to jump through some extra hoops before your child can be admitted into school. All kids have a right to an education, but the parents do have to complete additional forms and applications if the choose not to immunize.
I can understand why parents elect not to immunize their kids. On a recent trip to my pediatrician we were discussion immunizations. I had thought that my son was done with immunizations, and my doctor said, "no, you have one more set, and by then they will probably have thought of a few more things they can inject into your son. You will probably have several more immunizations before he starts school"
Is that freaky or what!!! When we were kids they didn't have nearly as many immunizations as they do today, and as far as my pediatrician is concerned they are just sitting there trying to think of more ways to earn a buck.
@AmbiePam (121270)
• United States
3 Jan 09
My mom said she had more immunizations as a child than I did, but over the decades that have passed since I was first vaccinated that could very well have changed. I just remember it seemed that all those shots for vaccinations were given at one time! I feel badly for kids because I remember that.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
3 Jan 09
I think more people are checking out what the side effects of some vaccinations are and are saying no to alot. Some can cause alot of problems even brain damage and autism only to name a few. Kids still have to have vaccintations but now days I think you have a choice of asking is it necessary for school and if not you can refuse the vaccination. I know I would refuse the ones that cause a child damage of any kind.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
2 Jan 09
It was the same in my day and even my son it was the law and you couldn't get around it, but now there is a whole controversy about vaccines, as they have linked vaccines with autism and some children end up with autism, and most don't but it is ling a game of russian roulette you don't know if your child is going to be sick from the vaccine until he or she gets it.
I am not sure if it is still law or optional anymore and it all depends on the country you live it as well.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
I have no idea and the researchers in this area really don't know either what is causing so much autism, they are still finding out new things all the time,
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
oh if you mean the rate is high as compared to vaccine low,
it is high in areas that have vaccines of course, I don't know about autism in other countries, you would have to do research to find out the rate for autism in each of those countries.
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
Once again, I ask the question.....why is the rate of Autism so high....when the rate of vaccinations, all over the world is so low! I remember all of this started in the "hippie" era...the free-spirits, and choices. Could their be a ploy here?
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
2 Jan 09
In my country you have to provide proof that your son is vaccinated before your child is allowed to be admitted at school
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@rowantree (1186)
• United States
2 Jan 09
Unfortunately, things have changed. Kids no longer absolutely have to have the vaccines in order to start public school. Isn't that terrible? The parents just have to sign a waiver form.
I think every parent has the right to choose whether or not to have their child vaccinated, but I also believe that if a child isn't properly vaccinated, then they shouldn't be allowed in public school. There's too much sickness going around in those large areas as it is, the last thing we need is more sickness.
My daughter isn't vaccinated against whooping cough because she's allergic to the vaccination. Throw in all of the kids whose parents don't believe in vaccinating and now my daughter is at more risk than before. It's a proven fact - the cases of whooping cough have risen in my state.
I really wish the school system would take a harder stance on non-vaccinated kids, but it's just not going to happen because the schools need the money too badly.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
You are echoing my thots, too! Possibly you do NOT wish your child to be vaccinated, but how many others are you putting at risk? I guess many have NOT taken the time to research the ravages of these diseases when they get loose!
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
3 Jan 09
My sister never had any of her kids vaccinated. Her school district had an "opt out" form that she had to fill out and have her doctor fill out saying that she understood what she was doing. Her kids never were sick either. They're all grown now.
With what I've read recently about what's in those vaccines, I think she was right to keep her kids from having them. If I had known, I would have had my son given all the shots either.
You know what else? The flu shots have the same chemicals in them (the chemicals used to make sure the medicine gets where it's supposed to go - like mercury). Some researchers think that the mercury is helping to cause Alzheimer's. Makes sense...since so many elderly get the flu shots and we have so much more Alzheimer's than we ever did before. It's a bit like the autism that has increased...and some folks think that's caused by the shots kids get.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Hey ambie! I think that there is still the same rule that
there always was that there are certain vaccinations that
children are required to have before they can go to school!
They are not optional! They must have them or they can't
go to school so the parents have no real choice! I know that
this is becoming a questionable thing whether to give the
children vaccinations or not these days, but according to
the states laws they still require them! So for the parents
that don't want their children to have them they will have
a problem getting them into a school! I don't know what they
will do then. I guess that will be a whole new generation
of children that will have to be home schooled or there
will have to be some kind of schools where they will accept
children who are not vaccinated and I don't know how that
will work since it is required by law!
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
2 Jan 09
Some children are not immunized because of religous beliefs. The schools must have to make allowances in cases such as that. I would imagine that parents would have to sign waivers for the school not be held liable should the child contract (through exposure) a disease that the parents have refused immunization for.
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@Polly289 (269)
• New Zealand
2 Jan 09
It is standard practice in my country for children to have certain vaccinations before entering school. Some are necessary others such as Meningitis are a personal choice. They do not necessarily mean your child is immune to that particular vac. In fact, I have known of some who have been vaccinated against a certain thing and still contracted it anyway. My view is that it should be primarily down to the parents. Difficult thing to decide, I know.
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@Foxxee (3650)
• United States
9 Jan 09
If a parent flat refuses to have their child vaccinated, that child can still attend a public school. In most cases the parent has to get a waiver & has to take different steps to get that child in that school, but by law they can't refuse that child schooling. A parent has a right to turn down vaccines... there is no law that makes parents vaccines, although they like to make parents think its the law, it's not. Some schools will give parents a hard time, but what only few parents know that there is laws on this, & parents can work around them.
Where I'm at right now, if you want your child to go to the school, they tell you that you have to have the childs shot record, but with a vaccine waiver, they have to let the child in.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
4 Jan 09
First off has autism really increased or have the techniques use to diagnose it been more clearly defined. Autism is a spectrum disorder, I have in the pass worked with people who no doubt were autistic, but they were able to function in high paying jobs. Now that I am working in the field I recognize what I had seen before.
I think they now diagnose autism better.
Next, I know of families who had an older child was autistic, they blamed the vaccinations. They had another and then another child, did not get the vaccinations and both of them were also autistic. It could be environmental, it could be genetic, it could be both but personally I think that getting vaccines is a lot safer than not getting them.
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@AmbiePam (121270)
• United States
5 Jan 09
You're saying something I hesitated to come right out and say. So many people think autism is caused by vaccines, and I didn't want to tick off anyone who has an autistic child and blames vaccines for it. I too think because people now are more aware of autism that that is why the numbers have increased. And I think I'd be scared to take a chance to not give my child the vaccines.
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@newzealtralian (3930)
• Australia
14 Feb 09
In Australia, you are able to be what is known as a conciencous objector, which means you can state your reasons for not having your kids vaccinated and it has to be accepted by schools, daycares and other groups.
My kids are vaccinated,for them as well as for me. I haven't had a lot of the childhood illnesses myself, so it is important that I do everything I can to avoid them too, as I am at an age where they can be quite nasty.
Realistically, those who don't have their kids vaccinated aren't really putting their kids health at risk any more than those who do have their kids vaccinated. When the non vaccinated children get these illnesses, their immune systems are forced to work harder, which means that their immune systems do become stronger as well. It is just upto what people want to believe about vaccines.
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@chrislotz (8136)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
I'm not sure that there is any law saying that the kids have to be vaccinated before
they can go to school. And the way the laws are now it would be pretty hard for the
school board to emplement that kind of law without the governments approval. But I
really can't say that I am positive on this so I wanted to see what other responses
here have to say about it so that I am more informed.
When I went to school we had to have our shots and when my kids when to school they had
to have theirs, but I don't know about now. There must be legal and political and
religious rights, that are considered when or if this is the case. There are some
religions that don't believe in it and a lot of those immegrants are canadian citizens.
So I don't know. hmmmm
Alrighty then, talk to you later my friend,
Have a good mylotting day, Chris 
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@messageme (2821)
• United States
5 Jan 09
Kids are still required to have vaccines before going to school. I guess I have not known any parent against vaccine. They are in the best interest of the child. Vaccines have been proven to prevent illnesses such as, chicken pox, measles, mumps, ect., ect. So why would you not want your child to have them? I think the school requires it because then they know your child is safe from getting these illnesses and spreading them to other children.


















