State of your state

@savypat (20216)
United States
February 20, 2009 3:14pm CST
For all you who live in the US how is your state doing? We're in trouble in Oregon, now the Governor wants the school teachers to work for nothing for five days. Would you do that for your state? Aren't you just a little put off by this. I feel since when does the state or any other employer have the right to ask me to work for nothing? I'll pay more tax but don't want to work for nothing. How do you feel?
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
20 Feb 09
I don't want to work for nothing either. Is that Governor going to work for nothing too? People have to live and working for nothing is not the way to do it. I would pay a bit more in taxes but working a week for nothing takes food off the table and that's why we work in the first place. I'm all about coming together to beat this crisis but I bet there isn't any food coming off these officials table.
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
20 Feb 09
I think the Governor is working for free, but It's because he chose to. Our poor teachers even have to supply their classes with working materials like pencils and paper. They aren't paid that much in the first place.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
21 Feb 09
It's good he's working for free at least but it's still to much to ask of the teachers. They do make very little money and are left with the burden of suppling what they don't have to teach their lessons. It's like that here too. Don't people realize that teachers are molding our future here? I'm not saying they should be paid a million dollars but their salaries should be fair and they should have the supplies they need to work with.
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• United States
21 Feb 09
Savypat Kulingoski isn't working for free. His salary is $96,600 annually. He just announced that he'll take a 5% pay cut and he's freezing and cutting salarys of state executives and managers, some more than the 5% cut he's taking. He wants to cut 170 million from education, 19 million from social services and 60 million from public safety rather than touch the states education stability funds or the rain day funds both accounts which hold hundreds of millions of dollars in them. http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-29/1235095812178140.xml&storylist=orlocal I don't know about you but I'm really ready to see a Republican in office as Governor here. Oregon has been in trouble for a long time in a lot of areas, education, public safety, unemployment, fiscally etc. The last 4 Governors (since 1987) have been Democrats. Something really needs to change and maybe a Republican Governor working with a Democratic House and Senate (I doubt that's going to change any time soon!) would provide more checks and balances to get us headed in a better direction than having a completely dominating Democratic state government has done over so many years. Unfortunately the Republicans haven't been running anyone for office that I could vote for either! I'm an Independent BTW.
• United States
22 Feb 09
Hi, Pat! Florida's a real disaster! And I guess the idea of teachers working for nothing is a trend. They've already told us we'll work for two days for nothing, then that they'll probably add a week of unpaid leave to Spring Break. I'm shocked that nobody's standing up and shouting that we won't work without pay, but people tell me they're afraid they'll be fired for insubordination if they do. It's illegal for us to strike! We're already underpaid, and giving up several days' pay will mean major disaster for me and most of my colleagues. Administrators who earn $250,000 +free house and free car are saying it's the least we can do for the kids, and a little sacrifice is necessary. None of them offer to pay our bills! It's appalling and honestly frightening. Joanne
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• United States
23 Feb 09
The teachers' union sent e-mail today asking for our support in fighting these possibilities, and I hope all union members support the fight. A lot of my colleagues, however, are no longer union members, and it's not just because they're not effective (they're not!), but the closest to getting a raise they could find. I have a principal who believes in management by intimidation and fear, and I fear dropping my expensive membership. I already filed a grievance earlier in the school year, and the union didn't back me well at all, thought they promised they would and encouraged the grievance, but membership in the union does reduce the severity of the harassment.
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
23 Feb 09
That is always a problem when standing up for what is right. You need to measure what you have to loose each time. This has always been my thinking and has kept me under control. I just don't have the faith it takes to step forward. I guess I'm a follower not a leader. ( unless I get mad, then all bets are off)
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
20 Feb 09
Farmers in Canada have been working for nothing, or next to Nothing for years. I expect the same problem exists in the US also. The problems are input costs like Taxes, Seed, Fertilizer, and Soaring Fuel costs. The farmer is behind the eight-ball because he is a Wholesaler and can't get anymore for his products to offset his costs. This is because the middle man who Retails the farm commodities in his supermarket, restaurant, etc. can mark up the price of the food he has just bought wholesale from the farmer. This extra money goes into the retailer's pocket, which leaves the farmer who (produced the food) hungry, sad, sometimes angry, and quite used to working for Nothing. If you Ate Today, Thank a Farmer! (not the Food Chain)
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@blondbat (503)
• United States
21 Feb 09
California farmers are gonna have it harder soon. They might be shut off from watering their crops as we are all still in drought conditions here. What great timing - drought and economic collapse. Sounds like what happened in the Mid-West during the 30's - Depression and Dust Bowl.
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
20 Feb 09
It's true about farmers, here times are always touch and go for them, but they could work at something else, those teachers never thought they would be working under these conditions. You can't grow much food in the classroom. We ranch and never make a profit, but it's by choice.
• United States
20 Feb 09
I too am from Oregon and I would have to agree with you. Or teachers shouldn't have to work for nothing,they should get paid for the wonderful work they do.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 Feb 09
Katie, I agree about the education system. If the money were spent on TEACHERS, SUPPLIES, BOOKS, and only things for the kids to learn, there would be enough. They should not be spending money on administrative costs, extra things, or programs that do not enrich the learning for the kids. Reduce the class sizes by hiring more teachers, make sure you have enough books, enough learning materials. Pay for those things FIRST. Once those things are guaranteed, then you can do things like spend money on a new auditorium or office furniture or a $1500 pizza cutter and gold plated plungers IF you have funds left over for that AND all the faculty agrees!
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• United States
21 Feb 09
Hi Sassygirlanne You're right. I get a little irritated with teachers crying "poor" when so much of our money is outright wasted in education spending. We have a bloated administration with huge salary's, they spend money stupidly ($1,500 pizza cutters come to mind) they always want more and yet our kids on the whole are dismally failing in school because the schools are failing them. Despite our small population we spend more on education that most other states, our teachers get paid above the national average. The county with the lowest paying was Wheeler at $42,220 for an average with salaries ranging in other counties any where between there and $57,991 for an average. That's not rich, but it's not poor either. Ask anyone who lives off and SSI income of only $7-8,000 a year. That's poor. Despite our spending, according to US Department of Education, only 35% of our 4th and 8th graders are proficient in Math, 28% of 4th graders & 34% of 8th graders were proficient in reading, 26% of 4th graders and 32% of 8th graders were proficient in science, and 22% of fourth graders and 33% of 8th graders were proficient in writing. In other words 65% and more are NOT proficient, they're failing. Throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it. But you're right, we do need to pay them. It's not right to tell them they need to work for free because things are tight. BTW I'm from your neck of the woods. Just a few miles south of you.
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• United States
21 Feb 09
hawaii isn't doing so well. Due to the reduced numbers of tourists visiting hawaii, prices sky rocketed. How about jobs? Let's just say people are doing what they can do to make money.
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@Lore2009 (7378)
• United States
20 Feb 09
If I had enough money to survive already then I'd work for free, but in this economy, no way! That's crazy... can that really happen?
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
20 Feb 09
i don't know we'll see. Thanks
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
21 Feb 09
My question is...why don't people working for the state voluntarily work more days...weeks, for free? I'm not saying it hasn't happened in some places, I'm just asking why it isn't more common. Why there isn't that option so that more people who can and want to help during these economic times...can do so easily. I mean most of the bigwigs are positively rolling in money. So why don't they volunteer to take a smaller paycheck or no paycheck? Some preschool teachers CAN'T work for free, most of them are not rich folks...so if you can shave some of, as a servant of the public...why would you ask the public to make a sacrifice that is harder for them to make than it would be for you? Makes no sense. Seems somewhat hypocritical, really. My state? So far no furloughs, my state is heavily cutting back on funding to several things that we sortof need...but my state's government isn't panicking -- yet. Although one of our cities did make it to the top six of the "most abandoned" list apparently, and our unemployment rate is sortof staggering. But there's no panic yet. People are doing OK. As worried as everyone else...but we're slightly buffered, being so rural.
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@blondbat (503)
• United States
21 Feb 09
California is hosed, which should have been apparent to all when our Governator started hawking shares in the state government. At least they finally passed a budget. I'll bet that California is still in the Top 10 world economies, but these days that isn't saying much at all. Even Japan, at No. 1, is hurting just like the rest of the world is hurting. Good Luck and God Bless whatever state you live in, because we are all in for a bumpy ride now...
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@stealthy (8181)
• United States
21 Feb 09
Well thanks to the Governor's pet railroad project here in NM that is heading well over 600 million to build and helped him get his pay for play money to run for president, the state is over 400 million in debt and growing. Also, taxes have been raised to fund the operation of the train since it will never break even. Also the first thing he did when he took office was to expand the size of the state government by an enormous amount. A recent study gave results that if the size of the state government was cut back to the national average, the state would save something like 2.6 billion a year.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 Feb 09
Well... California is going down and I don't mean in a good way. I have heard a lot of ridiculous ideas, from splitting the state to balancing the budget by raising taxes - now they ARE doing that part but that isn't going to help anybody. Like I always say, they are irresponsible with the money they get from tax payers to begin with, and they should NOT be rewarded for it. If the government needs to shut down because they don't have money to operate, do it. Don't make US pay more for your inferior decisions and your desires to line your own pockets and spend on things that don't benefit any of the true citizens of the state. I don't feel the schools should be taken from. I do feel that government employees don't deserve raises, pensions, early retirement, extra benefits, vacations, cars, etc. Not paid for by TAXPAYER MONEY!! I also feel that people who are not supposed to be here should not get bankrolled by the government programs. Cut all the extra benefits to government and benefits to people who cannot prove they have a legal right to be here and presto, this state would be just fine. By the way, I don't think you should be expected to work for nothing, at least not teachers. Would it be more acceptable if you worked one less day a month? My exception to people who SHOULD BE expected to work for nothing would be anybody who is directly in government. Sorry but between all the campaign funding that isn't really legal anyway and the gifts they get from siding with and supporting other government people, asking them to work for free for a few days would be a drop in the bucket to them.
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@TnWoman (1895)
• United States
20 Feb 09
hello savypat no i cannot say that i would want to work for nothing either. who would? unless it would be helping my family members out with something or helping my friend's do something. otherwise, no, don't think so. and btw, my aunt and uncle live in Oregon. i have visited the beautiful State of Oregon several different times before. my aunt and uncle live near the Portland area. and i live in Middle Tennessee and we are hurting as well, but i haven't heard anything about the teachers here like that yet thou. i have two boys that are still in school, one is in the fifth grade this year and the other one is in the third grade this year. take care and have a beautiful afternoon.
• China
21 Feb 09
Maybe the economic stimulous plan is just on the way helping all the Americans ,so ,don' worry about it
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• China
21 Feb 09
Hello savypat Our work is the main reason for the survival,if the job can not let go of our lives are no one will do. Hope you can have a happy!
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@tyrice (10)
• United States
21 Feb 09
I wouldn't work for free, even if my state was in a bad situation. I just wouldn't do it. I mean, how can someone ask you to work for free, without pay, that's preposterous. Doing a service isn't charity, it's a way to get paid--plain and simple--.
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• United States
20 Feb 09
Not only does he want them to take furlough days and work for nothing, he doesn't want to touch the school reserve funds or rain day funds. I can't wait for uncle teddy's term to be up.
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