An Eye For An Eye.... makes me bad?

@TLChimes (4822)
United States
May 6, 2009 5:59am CST
Another discussion sparked by another. Thanks to those who inspire. If we punish a person who committed a crime with the same punishment they dished out, are we as wrong as they are? Someone asked the other person if an eye for an eye kind of punishment made the punishment as bad as the crime... sort of like bringing the good guys down to the level of the bad guys. What do you think? If we "rape a rapist" are we as bad as they are? I personally am more of a help those you hurt kind of person. Serve those you harmed. Or that a punishment should fit the crime. Spray paint the building...clean off spray paint from 10 buildings.
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
6 May 09
Yea but how do you fix rape or murder? Be forced into organ donership for vital organs?
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
6 May 09
ummmmm.... yeah? Why not? though I get a creepy feeling thinkg about that move where the transplanted eye (or something) turns the person evil.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
6 May 09
thinking - as in thinking I should spell check better before posting... even with the preview button.
• United States
6 May 09
I believe in the punished should fit the crime multiplied by 100!
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
6 May 09
Yeah, I knew you would. And I have a hard time not seeing it your way.
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@GardenGerty (169587)
• United States
6 May 09
I think we have gotten beyond an eye for an eye. It does not benefit anyone. The original idea of a penitentiary was to make the criminal "repent", and correct me, if I am wrong, they were instituted by the Quakers originally. We still need a type of punishment that makes criminals sorry, that makes them change their ways. I like the idea of the virtual experience of the crime for the criminal, however the criminals are often already hardened to the feelings of others and desensitized. That is why they become criminals. Some are even seeking pain and punishment. I do not think an eye for an eye is the answer. I like the action of a redemptive punishment. Clean the buildings, feed the homeless, serve the community.
@mysdianait (66005)
• Italy
6 May 09
I was thinking along the same lines too. Though I have my doubts that nowadays the majority can be made to feel sorry anymore. Principles and respect are almost non-existent and some of those who commit certain crimes do so as a result of suffering certain traumas that could never be removed Being sent to prison or having a loved one in prison does not have the same significance as it did in the past - times have altered and for the worse.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
6 May 09
That brings us back to doing things for the greater good. I know that if nothing else, certain people shouldn't be among innocent folks because there is no fixing what is broken with in them.
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• Malaysia
6 May 09
Hurmmm...interesting point. i believe that there are different type of punishment for different type of crimes. For me murder should be punished by murder or life sentence. Taking the life of another is definitely a serious crime. I don't you can apply cleaning off the act to a rapist. A rapist will not be able to undid the trauma he did for the victims. They will scream at the sigh tof the rapist. So it is always better to give jail to these people.
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• Canada
6 May 09
Jail is too good for a rapist. Although, sending them to jail, often means sending them to be raped by the other prisoners. Even the prisoners have contempt for those types. They are the scum of the earth.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
6 May 09
There are some crimes that people can't change from or as you said, that can't be undone. I'm not sure what I would do for rapists or child predators. I know the mother dragon in me would like to see them go through what they did or be locked in a room with a mad father or three but.... I just don't know.
• United States
6 May 09
I am really on the fence on this one I know that 2 wrongs dont make a right but.... how are the criminals to know just how they affect peoples lives by commited the crimes they commit if they cant see first hand what the person has to go through after the fact? I dont agree with how we "punish" them now housing them, feeding them, educating them, giving them medical treatment, more amenities than the average free person gets... that is not teaching them anything its only encouraging criminal behavior
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
You just summed up the thinking of all the "underprivileged" delinquents in my area. "So what if I break the law... if they care to catch me then at least I'll have 3 squares."
@mathss1 (1181)
• United States
6 May 09
Yes it makes you bad Forgive the oppressor increase the number of oppressed Logically speaking that is the best form of punishment for some crimes .The law in a country decides the punishment to be given no civilian can punish another.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
Our country stinks when it comes to justice.... too much for some and not enough for others.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
6 May 09
I don't believe is eye for eye. The law in most countries is to0 gentle or too brutal. I general I would made them work very hard in benefit of the victim. Set up the working camp and make them work all day long.....and the time spend on the camp should be proportional to the crime. As of today the have everything for free in the prison....
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
6 May 09
And everything for free is..... wrong and teaches nothing.
@enola1692 (3323)
• United States
7 May 09
Yea I like your idea they spray paint a building have them scrub down ten buildings
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
6 May 09
an eye for an eye would make for an awful lot of blind people. I think there must be a better way.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
Well, that would be one way to tell who to look out for. I'm still thinking branding their foreheads would be a plan.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
12 May 09
much better solution!
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@mysdianait (66005)
• Italy
6 May 09
I think the person who committed the offence has to be assessed thoroughly to be able to understand the reason behind it. Some criminals do commit a crime because they have suffered traumas and have no power to think that what they did was bad. Others do something to become a hero - how do you punish them without starting back and removing certain ideas they have? Even the terrorists on 9/11 believed what they did was right in their way of thinking Once they have been assessed then it willbe more apparent which are those who can be shown that what they did was wrong and they can be benefitted by retraining. The others who willnever repent should not be let out and should do community work. An eye for an eye attitude is not correct in my view but those elements of the species that are worthless should not be set free ever again. I am in a different part of the world from you and many others Chimes and strange as it may seem the crimes committed here are different from those where you are. One of the first terrible episodes I remember happening when I moved here was a youth of 19 who killed his parents to get their money so he could 'paint the town red in all brand name clothes' He has now served 30 years and is out He is living now just like he wanted to, with a gap of 30 years ok, but he is making money by selling his story and the like. THAT is not right AT ALL!
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@mysdianait (66005)
• Italy
6 May 09
Oh indeed Alice and that is why I said there should IMO be some sort of assessment to get to the bottom of why these criminals did what they did. Some will have psychological problems and others traumas from their youth. Others ... it's not my field and I don't want to suggest things that are incorrect but once they have been assessed a just therapy or punishment could then be decided I feel.
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• Canada
6 May 09
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
6 May 09
You all said it Not all that different. And it seems that somethings make us mad no matter where we live. Simple human decency.... protect the old, young, and innocent.
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• United States
14 May 09
i dont think so but im a libra which is a sign obsessed with justice and have a lot of scorpio in my birth chart that is very revengeful so im prob the wrong person to base this on lol!!
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
14 May 09
You.... I like. LOL!
@celticeagle (190074)
• Boise, Idaho
7 May 09
I agree. I really hadn't looked at it that way. I think that the punishment should fit the crime. It should be discretionary by a good and honest judge. Spray painting buildings is okay but not for real serious crimes. I think if an offender has committed a hanous crime then he should get the gas chamber. Put him away so he can't hurt anyone else.
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@celticeagle (190074)
• Boise, Idaho
13 May 09
Let it be. Yep.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
I'm ok with taking the risk out of PROVEN criminals who hurt in that way. Only way to remove the risk is killing them, then so be it.
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7 May 09
Hi TLChimes, I think the punishment should fit the crime but in this society the criminals are too pampered in jail as there too many do gooders around, its the victims thatr suffers more, but an eye for an eye is not the answer as who wants to rape a rapist? I don't think so, they should be made to do jobs that no one wants to do and they shokudn't get paid for it, they should work for the food they get in jail, the tax payers should have to pay for their keeps in jail. Tamara
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
Good plan!!!!! I like this idea.
@sanuanu (11235)
• India
7 May 09
Being good to criminals is also a crime. If someone has done something bad, then s/he must get punishment otherwise, s/he will do it again. For some extent I will go for rape the rapist. Agreed that many good guys can also be a victim of it but to make our world a bug free, we have to show no mercy towards criminals. If guys won't have fear in their heart they wil lnot stop committng crime!
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@sanuanu (11235)
• India
13 May 09
Our law is a little bit soft to make sure that inocent people don't get hurt and that is why criminals don't get punishment more than often. How many times we have seen our politicians doing wrong works in video tapes but how many of them get punishment, zero!
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
13 May 09
People like that get away with so much.... what does that show for those who look up to them?
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
Yep.... being to kind is also wrong and allows the criminals a chance to repeat thier crimes.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
6 May 09
Hi TL Chimes, Mahatma Gandhi once said that an eye for an eye makes the whole word blind, and I believe he was right. Two thousand years ago Jesus Christ also rejected the idea. I feel that such punishment is as bad as the crime and serves no purpose at all. If I burned down your house and you came and burned mine, we would simply have two families without a house instead of one. I think the ideal punishment would be for me to help you build your house again. Blessings.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
12 May 09
I'm with Gandhi and Pose on this one. To make the world better is to take out the painful parts not double them. If I fix what I break then I have done better by the world and I can't ask less of the criminals.
• India
26 May 09
Hello my friend TLChimes Ji, "An Eye For An Eye...." It is an quotation from bible : " The phrase "an eye for an eye", Hebrew: ??? ??? ???, ayin tahat ayin, is a quotation from Exodus 21:23–27 in which a person who has taken the eye of another in a fight is instructed to give his own eye in compensation. At the root of the non-Biblical form of this principle is that one of the purposes of the law is to provide equitable retaliation for an offended party" must be followed un-doubtly. May God bless you and have a great time.