Why are people still whining about the birth certificate thing?

@lisan23 (442)
United States
May 25, 2009 10:55pm CST
First, I've called Honolulu's Department of Health office asking them if a certificate of live birth IS their birth certificate, they answered yes it is. And before you question me on this, I was born in Idaho and my birth certificate (issued from the state health department that I've used to get drivers licenses in 2 different states) is a certificate of live birth. So that's 2 states that issue certificate of live birth instead of birth certificates, and these certificates of live birth DO work to get drivers licenses. Second, the other argument that I've heard is that his father wasn't a US citizen so therefore he cannot be natural born. This argument would take natural born status away from millions of Americans that were born in the US. It's ludicrous. You'd also have to believe that Obama somehow knew that he'd be running for president and sent telepathic vibes to his family after he was first born to run the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper listing their address in Hawaii. Seriously, you have to be a hardcore conspiracy theorist to still buy into this load of crap.
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• United States
26 May 09
Why doesn't he just release the paperwork and get it over with? His mom was a US citizen. End of story. There is concern about it because some of his family claims he was actually born in kenya and not america. But even if that is true his mom was still a us citizen. It would make his mother guilty of lying on the birth certificate. Not obama. And it would not change his citizenship status. But it would make his birth certificate invalid. But they would just have to register him as an american born abroad. Which would not change his citizenship status just his birth certificate. But who knows if it is true. But it is strange different members of his family say he was born in different places. You would think it would be something they would remember correctly. I am not so sure about when his mother revoked both of their american citizenships when they became citizens of indonesia. But sence he was a minor at the time and did not have a say in it....american may not recognize his citizenship being revoked. I know Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenships and makes people who want to citiizens of their country revoke any other citizenships they have. But I don't know if America recognizes that or not. We have never had a president with multiple citizenships before so this is why it is an issue. No one really knows if these things make a difference or not because we have never had this come up before. They are real questions and I think they need to be answered on how the laws on it run and how it effects candidates of multiple citizenships. Their are special rules in place for being president. I do think this needs to be looked into so that in the future we will know exactly what the rules are and how it applies to candidates with multiple citizenships. It would cut down on the confusion. But then I think this whole thing would not have gotten this far if Obama would just release the information and be done with it.
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@lisan23 (442)
• United States
26 May 09
He released his short form birth certificate which is the ONLY certificate available to Hawaiian citizens. What more do you want? For him to demand that Hawaii find his long form certificate and release it? Even if he did demand it, it doesn't mean they'll do it. One out of my 4 grandparents know where I was born, and I was the first grandchild on my mom's side. Three of them think I'm born in Michigan, despite me telling them several times that's incorrect. Only my grandma remembers that I was born in Idaho. Also, 2 of my siblings think I'm born in Michigan as well, even though I wasn't. They all think this because 3 of my siblings were born there, that's where most of my family lived at the time, and my parents moved there when I was only a few months old. So no, knowing where a family member was born is not something that all families should know. Only 1 of my siblings, my parents, and my grandma remember that I wasn't born in Michigan.
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• United States
26 May 09
But do those family members claim to be present at your birth? His family in Kenya says he was born there and they were in the room when he was born. That strikes me as odd. Maybe they are wrong. But that is kinda something I think you would remeber correctly. Especially wether or not you were in the room at the birth. But it really does not make much of a difference. Even if he was born in Kenya. He is still a us citiizen. The real questions is wether or not his mother revoking his citizenships counts. Which I think because he was a minor it does not count. But I am not sure. I could be wrong.
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@lisan23 (442)
• United States
26 May 09
And a copy from 1998 and 2008 probably don't look the same. Both my husband and my daughter were born in Utah. He got a copy of his birth certificate after turning 18 in 2002. We got a copy of our daughters birth certificate in 2006. They didn't look the same. So why not find a copy of a certificate issued by Hawaii in 2008, which is when Obama would've gotten his?
@irishidid (8688)
• United States
26 May 09
The newspaper announcement is a moot point and doesn't prove anything. Mine says certificate of live birth same for all three of my kids. I don't think there is a difference between the two. I'm sure most if not all people have a paper that says "certificate of live birth" rather than birth certificate. It's the same thing only said in a different way.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
26 May 09
Yes it's because there's also a certificate of stillbirth where the baby did not make it but was still born and named. This is one reason for the wording and it's pretty standard.
@k1tten (2318)
• United States
26 May 09
I'd have to agree. I have a few conspiracies but this one is just rediculous. A birth certificate is a birth certificate. If you're born here, no matter where your parents were born, you're a natural born. That's what this country was built on.
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@Barbietre (1438)
• United States
26 May 09
The answer is real simple, a majority of these who are obsessing are fuming over the fact that their candidate did not win and want Obama eliminted in any way they can. Some are bigots and some are just sore their candidate lost. Either way they live in a fantasy. I think it is sad really, they need to get over it and move on.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
26 May 09
You need to look at the color of his skin first, that will explain why those hardcore racists continue whining...If you understand the history of USA clearly, it shouldn't be a surprise at all, looking at all the atrocities leveled against minority Americans, president Obama is the first Africa American ever elected in this country.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
28 May 09
I don't know whehte rwe have an Italian president or not, since racist group never whined about birth certificate of the past 43 USA presidents. cheer!! n Happy mylotting!
• United States
29 May 09
No. They've whined about a lot worse than a birth certificate. At least no one has called for Obama to be put in prison and executed yet. Maybe those horrific racists are afraid to take it that far yet.
• United States
28 May 09
I always love hearing about the unrelenting racism in this country as THE reason that people question President Obama about anything. I'm only looking for a similar excuse for the treatment of Bush before him. When Clinton was smeared, at least those doing the smearing (justified, as they were) were simply called neo-cons. Not for nothing, but hardcore racism and the fact that minorities are in power and are respected in positions all over this country is a bit contradictory. It's not like Obama is the first black (racially mixed) man to break every color barrier. Minorities are doctors, lawyers, professors, policemen, firemen, judges, governors, mayors, congressmen, and the list goes on forever. Obama is the first non-white president -- but even still, with the MILLIONS of white people to ever inhabit the country, there were only 43 before him. We've never had an Italian president either. Racism? We've changed and we've changed very, very quickly. Changing isn't anything that leaves a lasting effect, but change is. America had changed long before Obama came in preaching such notions. People understand history so that they won't repeat it. Since the Democrats left the south and changed their rhetoric to hitch a ride on the Kennedy wagon, racism has been tapering off a little more every year to the point where it's virtually nonexistent on a national level. Maybe you still know some people around your age who hold those old values, but I've never met a person around my age who does (20/30s). And I live in the south -- the supposed "hotbed" of all racism. Maybe, just maybe, people don't want him as America's President because they're fearful of a very large government. It is possible to hold different values without being a racist lol ... Just throwing it out there. :-)
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
26 May 09
I don't see "the birth certificate thing" as a lone issue. Since we're calling it "whining," it plays into a bigger picture of a supposed transparent presidency. It's not solely about the birth certificate; it's that nothing, and I mean nothing, Obama is associated with becomes a national story. Everything that surfaced about the man was denounced as nothing more than "right-wing attacks." His ongoing association with a radical church, his ties with domestic terrorists, his Marxist studies, his say-one-thing-do-the-other voting/rhetoric record, his consistent flip-flopping on major issues, his plan to tax coal out of existence, and the list goes on. You were not allowed in a free America to cite any of these things without being viciously torn apart by the left and called a racist, hate-mongering, dirty neo-con. And this is strange, especially considering that Bush II could mispronunciate (lol) a word during a press conference and the New York Times would run 17-inches of front-page glorly decrying the president as a moron, yet when it came time for the newspaper of record to drop a story about ACORN and supposed ties to Obama, they shut up like a fresh clam. And this continues to be an ongoing theme on a national level. The birth certificate thing is part of a much, much larger picture. You can even add hypocrisy to the list on Obama's end. He won the Senate primaries and then the elections by having (supposedly his 'team' had) his opponents' SEALED, PRIVATE divorce records released to the public! Yet, when it's his turn to pony up SEALED, PRIVATE documents, it's a constant game of misdirection. I've met plenty of people who literally hated Bush II and wanted Obama in, but after they've learned about his willingness to expose everyone else that isn't him, they've all scratched their heads. I have a question for everyone: Who is Barack Obama? Does anyone know--whether you bash him or defend him--who this man is? He was NEVER put under a microscope. People NEVER worried about Biden the same way they worried about Palin. People NEVER worried that having an ALL RADICALLY LIBERAL trifecta of power may corrupt America on some levels (which we're seeing al-friggin-ready). By itself, the birth certificate thing is just the latest attempt to make some dirt stick to the man, in my opinon. But along with everything else, it's another prime example of the EXTREME bias shown for Obama over every other politcian America has ever had, right or left. Everything turns into either a conservative or a liberal thing and never an American thing. In my little town, the guy running for mayor was put under more scrutiny than the POTUS! Something's very, very wrong with that picture. And I don't care if you're a Kool-Aid-drinkin' diehard that owns every Obama plate, t-shirt, coin, poster and napkin set in the world. There's still something very disturbing about not knowing someone who's making the lion's share of America's decisions. If wanting to know is "whining," I'm sure a lot will proudly wear that badge.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
26 May 09
Why indeed! It's really getting ridiculous, isn't it? The one scenario is that his mother, who was only about 18 at the time of Obama's birth, had him in Kenya and quickly hopped a plane to Hawaii so they could say he was born there. Like you said, somehow they just KNEW the moment he was born that he was going to be President one day. Also, it's been posted here that Obama told his kindergarten teacher he was going to be President so that's "proof" of some conspiracy. Hey, I can top that - my grandson wasn't even three years old when he said he was going to be President...or a race car driver or a garbage man...lol! Annie
• United States
26 May 09
My daughter was born in Ft Benning Ga in 1992 and I have used her certificate of live birth from getting her into school to getting her passport to go to Italy. My daughter was conceived as soon as her daddy stepped off the plane from serving in the Gulf War. This is her valid certificate of birth or as you would like to say birth certificate. After looking at my own birth certificate it does not have the attending doctors name on it? hold on wait a minute am I a naturally born citizen. None of our birth certificates have the attending doctor. Annie help me please my attending doctor is not on my birth certificate this must mean that my mom flew me in from scotland and I am not a natural born citizen
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
26 May 09
What you should have done is pay the $10 or what ever it is and have them mail you a copy of Obama's birth certificate. They are public record you know and anyone has a right to see them. If there is one on record of Obama being born in the US why hasn't someone at least shown a copy on one of the news networks. If there was one most Americans would have already seen a copy of it. You would probably be able to get a copy on eBay way before now. I don't know if he was born in the US or not and couldn't care less. But I'll put it this way, If he was born in the US he is dirt stupid for not proving it by now and spending all the money he has to keep from proving it. In my books that doesn't tell me he is the kind of man we need running this country. Art
@lisan23 (442)
• United States
26 May 09
Which is when factcheck.org got their hands on the physical copy of the certificate and took pictures of the seal, the signature, the missing number, etc.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
26 May 09
No, Arkie, a birth certificate is a matter of public record. They're private and only the person named on it or the parents who were listed can order a copy. Imagine how easy it would for your identity to be stolen if some stranger could get his hands on yours. Obama did have a copy of his birth certificate on his website which produced a lot of conclusions by various experts...some claiming it was a fake or was altered. The most convincing analysis of the document came from a non-partisan, geeky computer type site which had previously proven that the sexy picture of Palin in a miniskirt was a fake. They compared a known fake to what Obama had provided and explained in layman's terms what they were looking for in, for example, the code behind the document, providing examples of what certain alterations would look like, and pronounced the document as genuine. Here's a link to the site if you'd like to see their report. I found it pretty interesting. http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis
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@mariposaman (2959)
• Canada
27 May 09
That behaviour is typically American. Osama Bin Laden declared war on America and was blowing up American property and what did the American people worry about? Monica Lewinski. They had their president spending all his time defending himself instead of him running (and defending) the country. There was a madman running around out there with a hate on for America and if he had the resources he would have decimated USA. I am sure if that charge has any validity it would be taken more seriously. I do believe that provision of the constitution has little place in a modern world anyway.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
28 May 09
I am an American but i don't even think of this birth certificate crap let alone whine about it. So it is not really typical thing in USA except for certain group of people in the country which have their own organizational agenda. You are right, Al-Queda n Osama is more than enough for USA to worry and few others immediate threats around the world which threaten our interests than Monica or birth certificate.
• United States
26 May 09
No, I would say, they are people who pulled thier heads out of the sand a little quicker than others.
• United States
9 Jul 09
Or you are in total denial. Okay, so the first two points are true. My problem is more with the fact that he has to let us know about his taxes, so why not his birth as well, if it shuts us up and he proves his point, who cares?