As I grew up, I noticed discrepancies in stories forming basis of my relgion..
By vanny
@vandana7 (102698)
India
August 15, 2009 6:36am CST
Hi everybody, I am a Hindu, when I was young, my mind never questioned several aspects of religion, but as I grew up, I couldnt really understand how everybody would call a thing right when in fact it was not logically right. Such inconsistencies bothered me, and so far I have not found anybody who could provide satisfactory explanations, leading me to belief that religion as I knew it is something everybody followed as ritual and not really with heart. What is ur call on this?
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@shravandone (555)
• India
15 Aug 09
hey vandana.even im a hindu n have gone through this stage.even i used to wonder how can my Grannie lie..but i had faith in scriptures n came to a conclusion that im not intelligent enough to understand them..
krishna describes 4 stages of human mind..
1i am right,the world is wrong
2i am wrong,the world is right
3i am also wrong,world is also wrong
4i am also right,world is also right..
i have gone through all these stages in my quest n now i have found that there is nothing unanswerable in our religion...
if u have any doubts unclarified,let this be one opportunity...u can also PM me..
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@vandana7 (102698)
• India
15 Aug 09
U r only 19! And u say u have gone thru all that???? Ok holy saint be prepared for a few salvos :-) Starting with how do u justify claims of Yudhistir and his bros to the throne? Pandu raj left the throne irresponsibly for personal grief in sharp contrast to Ram who left personal life for the benefit of kingdom. Either Ram was right or Pandu Raj was right, ur time starts now. :-) Second if Dhritarashtra was not capable of managing the kingdom according to Vidur, then how did he allow Pandu raj to hand over the kingdom to the blind man? After all, Bharat the great was not considering it in terms of genetically inherited kingdom. Oh I could point so many. And not only in this religion. In others as well that I have had some opportunity to get familiar with. Because of this, I believe the entire Mahabharata is written to make people interested in a smaller part of it called Geeta which otherwise would be as dry as math text.
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@shravandone (555)
• India
15 Aug 09
well..yudhishtira could claim his kingdom coz his father pandu was the king..only that pandu left kingdom in command of dhrithraashtra.dhritharashtra since was a blind wasn't considered fit ruling the kingdom...
so isn't it obvious that dhritharaashtra ruled in mercy of pandu.so yudhishtira claimed kingdom..
i dont know in what sense u compared pandu n rama,sooryavamsha n chandravamsha...rama had not gone through pattabhishekam when he was asked to leave.so the point of leaving kingdom for a sake doesn't arise..n pandu was right indeed..if he is mentally upset,he deffo can't be a good ruler..
in sooryavamsham,king aja was in depression of loosing his wife..he then gave up the command for years until he came out of depression...
i dont see any catch in your post...
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@shravandone (555)
• India
15 Aug 09
how did pandu allow means,bhishma was der..bhishma took prathigya that he wont rule kingdom..but he did interfer in things and was all capable of handling any situations..so its just that dhritharaashtra was kept on throne..but responsibilities on bhishma himself..
genes was not an issue in bharatha's case..he could definitely take over as a king as pattabhisheka karya wasnt done to rama..but it was just a moral dignity of bharatha that he ruled keeping padukas of rama on throne...
morally, dhritharaashtra was supposed to do the same..but he didn't..
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@ladym33 (10978)
• United States
19 Aug 09
I know exactly where you are coming from. We are taught to believe in our religions on pure faith, even if things don't really make sense or even seem possible yet we are expected to believe it. Basically we are taught to believe what some person hundreds of years ago decided what we should believe. I completely understand where you are coming from and feel the same way about many things I learned in religous classes growning up.

@ladym33 (10978)
• United States
20 Aug 09
Thank you! I believe that there is one God who we all live under and love, I don't understand why religion has to seperate people. God is about love and we are all his creations. I think he would want us all to get along and to share the earth he created in harmony.
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@vandana7 (102698)
• India
20 Aug 09
I wish they would let us question, view it with logics, and accept something that books said are right as wrong. And that they would allow us to love people who are not from our faith with as much brotherhood as those from our faith. I wish they would dissociate the essence of the religion from the stories that surround it. Why must these illogical barriers exist? What purpose do they serve in present context when everybody needs to unite? I am glad u feel like me ladym33. Makes me feel so sane. It is a bit lonely in this corner. When u believe in god, are afraid to embrace other religion because u expect inconsistencies there as well, and u can see what many others are too busy to notice in ur own religion. Thanks a lot. It made me feel really good.
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@coolcat123 (4387)
• India
15 Aug 09
Every religion teaches good lessons to its believers and always help you to choose the right path in life. Suppose if you are doing anything wrong... once God in any aspect will come into your mind to remind you your lessons of truth and correctness. But its the satin in other words the imp which forces you to do ill deeds.
Dont you ever feel how the world is balanced till now, how the animals cope themselves with the un controlled harshy envoirnment. like the camel..how does it live for weeks without food and water. It balanced itself with those hot envoirnment. Similarly the chameleon..how shocking is the change of its colour takes place. many examples are there in this world. And these all cannot happen itself, God is there and will always help us keep the balance in this world.
But people have divided themselves into categories or in other words religion, but God exists.
@hora_fugit (5859)
• India
2 May 11
You have an interesting discussion here, as always. If only I found it at right time! Not that I'm going to clear any doubts (don't even know how many you've still after these years), but a discussion would have been most enjoyable. Out of time, out of space
Read the long posts you and #1 have made! And others too... All I can say is I don't look in my by books to follow any particular person just because they were 'most right'. Everyone is shown having good and bad aspects - in ancient books, I call them 'original'
- and that's not hard to note. We must follow the good aspects only. Not logical to abandon your wife because 'Rama did so'.
Rest is perception. Or better, everything is.
Read the long posts you and #1 have made! And others too... All I can say is I don't look in my by books to follow any particular person just because they were 'most right'. Everyone is shown having good and bad aspects - in ancient books, I call them 'original'
- and that's not hard to note. We must follow the good aspects only. Not logical to abandon your wife because 'Rama did so'.
Rest is perception. Or better, everything is.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
2 May 11
For your age, your depth is shocking and yet delightful.
I am just getting a feeling that I am in the company of somebody who is going to be recognized for generations here onwards. :)
Perception it is indeed. :) Everything is right and everything is wrong. It depends upon context, time, and a few other factors.
You know hora, scriptures only indicate what could be honorable and what people would appreciate and what could be good for many. Choice is ours. We are under no obligation to follow what scriptures suggest. We need to develop our own road map and leave it to posterity for deciding whether we were worth appreciating.

@vandana7 (102698)
• India
3 Sep 09
Hi Sunny - No - I dont feel proud and triumphant. As I c it, when I was young, i was told to obey my elders and trust them, which I did. Like the young cubs of lions dont go on hunt, I too was shielded from somethings. Now - as grown up - I find what the society and law says is right in practical life is not what is right in my scriptures. How can I then emulate characters from my scriptures or follow their example? Is it wrong to want to acknowledge and remove this contradiction? Is it wrong to discard ideas that are no longer working in relation to time, context, and awareness. Should religion be static like a pond that gathers the dirt or dynamic like a stream that periodically renews and is fresh and vibrant? When I watch television serials, or movies, I am able to spot illogics. Likewise - if ever I discuss my religion with anybody - they too would spot these inconsistencies. They may be too polite to comment, but they are under no obligation to bend to guidance of my parent, are they? And then, if they laugh, would that make me proud, or triumphant or would that make me vulnerable? But I too will be able to notice discrepancies in their religion. Am I to point them to them if such things happen? Is that the solution u r offering? But - conversion is definitely out. It is like doing graduation several times in different streams. I would still be only a graduate. I agree the language in which my holy books are written is no longer in use, so getting the exact meaning is difficult. But attributing some depth to it based on personal interpretation is like using a whole lot of cryptic words like astrologers/fortune tellers, and effectively saying nothing. I am not very intelligent so I prefer simple language that I understand and not something that is presented in a convoluted way, and subjective way. Even these are acceptable - if they are logical and truly good for everybody. I could also give subjective interpretations - for example in our epic - Bhishma and Karna are worth a lot of respect - even though Karna lied to Parashuram, and did not defy Duryodhana against Draupadi vastraharan, and Abhimanyu vadh. This to me meant - my religion wants me to look for good in another person and understand the reasons they could have (obliged to Duryodhan) and consider them as good even if they are on wrong side and have sided wrong. That - is deep. And if I accept Duryodhan's bad qualifications as truly bad - then Arjun also displayed the same characteristic - isn't it? He wanted to be the best archer, so he made Dronacharya ask Eklavya for the thumb - instead of practicing and improving himself to that level. From yesterday the chief minister of my state went missing - and if he is not found for next 10 years, would the party accept him back in his post - on his return? I liked the 19 year old Shravan (1st post) trying to clear my doubts - and he did have some good points - especially the four stages of human mind was really enlightening. I have to go thru them. U cant ask me to forego questioning when the scriptures allow me to rationalise. After all - closing mind and not questioning is no way to progress and develop the inner me. If I do so - I will be frequently angry with god as I would not understand his reasoning. I feel using the words proud and triumphant without really knowing what is on the mind of another - is far too hasty. I will need a more patient teacher and therefore - I must decline ur offer to be my guru.

@ShirleyBillingsley (1544)
• United States
20 Aug 09
You were young, when you had no questions. Now that you are maturing, your mind tells you that there are other things that you have not been taught, and you have a quest for knowledge. It's normal for the mind to want to know more.
If you are interested in more information, or study lessons, i will be happy to oblige, and send them to you.





