Obama Lies about Health Care Requirements once again.

@ParaTed2k (22977)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
September 21, 2009 1:17am CST
The lying wretch Prs. Obama can't seem to tell the truth to save his pathetic little life. "Right now everybody in America, just about, has to get Auto Insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase." Obama bleated this out on Face the Nation on Sunday. First of all, no one that doesn't drive is required to get insurance. People who choose not to drive, and don't get insurance aren't penalized, so his analogy falls flat from the beginning. But the major point isn't about whether or not a fine for not buying medical insurance isn't the real lie here. The real lie is that it isn't a tax. Ask Prs. Obama what government agency has been brought up to enforce and collect this "non tax"... The IRS! If it's not a tax, is it a fine? A fine without due process? So what is it, what would you call a government requirement to pay money against ones will? It's a tax. To call it anything else is to be a liar. Obama is a liar, a racist, a bigot and a person who despises the US Constitution.
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@Barbietre (1440)
• United States
21 Sep 09
Wow tell us how you really think. Sorry I may have severely disliked the Bush dynasty, but I would never disrespect a president and call him/her names like that. Oh and Bush never lied? WMD?? Get a grip, the health insurance arguement has been going on since Roosevelt postpone, postpone, yeah right! My brother a mechanic, does not have any insurance and I want to slap the next person who tells me just go to the ER and he will not have to pay. THOSE people are delusional and LIARS. My son was 20 and on his own, no longer on our healthcare, went to the ER and had very little money, and he was hounded for years beause he did have a job, he had to pay it off over the years.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 Sep 09
[b]You didn't address his POINT. Stop trying the Bush dodge, as it's irrelevant, & childish ("Well...well...Bush did it FI-irst! So there!" ), & no longer works. HOW is it not a TAX? Speak to the SUBSTANCE of the post, stop whining & answer the POINT, if you can. Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 Sep 09
[b]Incidentally, when I was young & too poor to pay, I ALWAYS had to go to ER, & I didn't pay, so stop calling us liars. Ted hasn't called Obama names; he merely stated the truth. He's a liar & a bigot. Among other unsavory things. Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
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@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
21 Sep 09
"Oh and Bush never lied? WMD??" First off, the "Bush did it too" crap just shows how low your standards are if you want Obama to be just like him. Second, Bush "thought" there were WMDs in Iraq. I thought there were too. That doesn't make either of us liars, it makes us wrong. If Bush were a liar, he could have easily planted WMDs there to "discover" and none would be the wiser outside of the tin foil hat crowd.
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@Rollo1 (16660)
• Boston, Massachusetts
21 Sep 09
As you say, auto insurance is only necessary if you own a car. And, if you own your own car without a lien, most states require only that you carry third party coverage - in case you hit someone else, cause damage or injury to another person. No one forces you to insure your own car against damage. Maybe I could get a health care insurance that pays out only if you can prove you got that cold from me. See, here's where the whole auto insurance comparison starts to fall apart. I agree that if the IRS collects it, it's a tax. Even if it is a fine, it's a fine on a tax obligation. The IRS is not authorized to sell insurance or impose fines on any behavior other than those relating to taxes. Worse than it being a tax, the health care plan calls for the IRS to release all of your tax and financial records to the Health Care Commissioner. I have all sorts of problems with this in regards to legality, third party disclosure, invasion of privacy and a certain bulldog tenacity of this administration about getting more money out of more people to give to other people.
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Sep 09
Exactly! That is another way the analogy falls on its face. Very few states require anyone to insure their own car against accidents. The requirements are to ensure damage you do to someone else. For the analogy to work, Obama would have to be imposing a fine on people who don't buy health insurance for those who they hurt or make sick.
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@Rollo1 (16660)
• Boston, Massachusetts
21 Sep 09
You know, this has given me an idea that could open up a whole new line of revenue to fund Obamacare. Kathleen Sebellius scolded a reporter who sneezed the wrong way, and showed him the correct procedure. To lower health care costs, perhaps we could fine infectious people for sneezing incorrectly, coughing without covering their mouths, not washing their hands, etc.; all actions that could spread colds and the flu and drive up the costs of universal health care. We wouldn't call it a tax, it could be a "sneeze surcharge" or a "flu fine". The White House could set up an email address where you could send information on those people carelessly spreading contagion. They could call it phlegm@whitehouse.gov. They could even set up a whole new branch of government to investigate these claims, creating new jobs which would be good for the economy.
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• United States
21 Sep 09
phlegm@whitehouse.gov
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@pippino (31)
• India
21 Sep 09
Hmmmm....you and the others sound a bit frustrated and sorta meanish!! I bet not many inhere voted for Obama! Hee,hee.... But for Heaven's sakes, dont insult the guy. America is the first world and is respected, and it would do a lot not to be so crude! I am sure, perhaps I dont have any right coz it's your President, and probably been ripped off or feel that way with the health insurance matter, but that guy hasn't implemented a thing yet, neither is any of the other previous Presidents..........!! This is a huge matter and this Barack, at least seems to trying to bell the cat, so it seems. I have been observing that, these days things dont get 'solved' without collateral damage. The 'sharks' who feed on your health insurance seems to be a mighty thorny problem and would be difficult to rein in as a lot of money is involved and the American model does believe in the money or nothing policy ( if anything else is suggested - the vulgar word, ' socialist' crops up! ). But somewhere in this recession, we have to give in for a while ( my opinion ) and try the government subsidised model...if that exsists, I mean! When the money begins to flow again, then why not let the money do the talking?
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
The only reason he hasn't implemented is, he, Pelosi and Reid couldn't force feed the bill through without being read by anyone. It wasnt' for lack of trying though, and they would have gotten away with it to if it wasn't for those meddling TEA parties, bloggers and talk show hosts.
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• United States
21 Sep 09
So now he is confusing his own lies, because I thought he said he wouldn't tax the common people but if his health care has a tax for not getting it isn't that him lying about taxes as well, so I guess which lie is he making at that moment?
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
That's why he's resorting to this sort of doublespeak. He can't admit it's a tax because that would expose the no new taxes on anyone making
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@irishidid (8721)
• United States
21 Sep 09
I drive and have auto insurance. My son drives and he has auto insurance. My disabled daughter does not drive and she doesn't have insurance. Is Obama really that stupid? Nevermind, I just remember the 57 states. I wonder if he ever got to the last seven of them!
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 Sep 09
[b]They must be in the Twilight Zone. Let's hope so, because if he ever does go there...he prob'ly won't be back! Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
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@jb78000 (15164)
21 Sep 09
'just about' ?
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@jb78000 (15164)
21 Sep 09
now correct me if i am wrong. in fact don't, i'd prefer some names actually. but isn't there a difference between 'just about everybody' and 'everybody'?
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@aerous (13464)
• Philippines
23 Sep 09
In my opinion with that, my friend is that Obama, is not a racist. As he said that the health reform bill is not that way. I think republican says anything to down fall the good president. Democrats congressmen and senators is not idiot for not knowing the constitution and President Obama, is not also an idiot because he is a good lawyer I think? His opponent likely give bad impression to bills to discredit the President. You should dialogue first to the president and listen to his sides before saying something that is eat by dog. He is open for dialogue, instead going to the street shout out anything that is not acceptable to the person. Just ask his permission to have a dialogue and listen what his sides and express also your grievances about the bills... What you feel they say, what you said back unto you? Don't be like that, my friend.
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Sep 09
DOnt' even know where to go with that one.
• United States
23 Sep 09
I thought pretty much the same thing, Ted.
@aerous (13464)
• Philippines
24 Sep 09
As I remember then, about the speech of the President. That the white house is open for all who would like to meet the President. If you don't know about it. Just go to any forums that President, visited to promote the health bills and say what is your grievances in him... I think it is not help if you criticize the President without any implementation of the bills and the President did not depend his side against those unpleasant words... Have a great day!
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 Sep 09
[b]Right you are, as always, Ted. Sorry to sound like the amen corner, here, so I'll just add this: how is he going to get away with this one?? I mean, only the dumbest of the Koolaid drinkers are too stupid to know he's lying on that one! It really does boggle the mind. Was it you who called him a pathological liar? I doubted it at the time, thinking, no, he knows what he's about...but now...I have to wonder. He can't think anyone will take him seriously! Can he? This is just surreal. This just exposes how pathetically inept & unqualified he is to hold the office. Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
@Barbietre (1440)
• United States
22 Sep 09
Mechanic make good money, if you work for BMW maybe but not private stations. My brother makes less than 30,000 a year, and have you any clue as to what it costs to live here?
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
How will he get away with it? He'll keep serving up Kool Aid in different flavors until one seems to catch on.
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• United States
22 Sep 09
My husband is a mechanic, and a good one, he is paid crap. Where I live garages often do not even want to pay on the books or only offer to pay half on the books and most don't offer benefits. The pay is very poor, and even dealerships here do not offer a great deal to their mechanics. Before I moved here, I always thought mechanics made good money, but in my part of NY State, they absolutely do not.
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@bestboy19 (5481)
• United States
22 Sep 09
I'm sure you noticed Obama went to every network but FOX. I would guess it's because he didn't want any questions he didn't think he could handle. It's easy to lie when the people you're lying to believe as you believe, or want to believe you. How much negative press does Obama get from these guys? Some day they'll find Obama in the middle of the Potomac River because he believed the media, that he can walk on water. He also believes, thanks to the media, that he can get away with lying. I hope America isn't buying it.
• United States
22 Sep 09
Obama does walk on water. No one with an IQ above 80 watches FOX. Someone who graduated from Harvard is beyond them.
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
Dragon, statistically many people who graduated from Harvard watch FOX news.
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@bestboy19 (5481)
• United States
23 Sep 09
Dragonlady, which of the FOX shows do you enjoy most? I bet it's Glen Beck.
• United States
21 Sep 09
I just don't understand what you are trying to say here "But the major point isn't about whether or not a fine for not buying medical insurance isn't the real lie here. " This is a triple negative sentence? Huh? I don't understand what you are trying to write. And I'm not even saying Obama is a liar here. But your argument(which I am not sure I understand, due to your poor wording, and use of English in the aforementioned statement) loses credibility when you go from liar to "racist, bigot, and a person who despises the US Constitution." You need to support this statement. Otherwise it is an opinion, and opinions are, in their nature, biased, meaning you are biased, and therefore, it leads to question everything else you are saying.
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• United States
21 Sep 09
Okay, If your argument is about the tax increase, let me tell you what the current bill does. It mandates that everybody has to have health insurance because the taxpayer will not share the burden of the uncovered individuals in the system. Failure to get health insurance can face financial penalties, which is fair because right now, the burden of the uninsured goes to the taxpayer as it is. You can now will have more tax credit options for health insurance. Some important things in the bill to keep in mind: "The plan would be paid for with cuts in spending on Medicare and Medicaid - the government-run programs that provide health care coverage to the elderly and poor - as well as a heavy tax on high-cost health insurance plans. Baucus would not create a government plan to compete with private insurers." This is not a tax on the individual but a tax on the health insurance companies that are raising rates through the roof. Basically the goal here is not to tax you. That is not what is happening. It's to make health care affordable. Read the bill before you talk about it. Just a word of advice.
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
Apparently everyone else understood... but yeah that was a very poorly worded sentence.
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• United States
21 Sep 09
Love him or hate him it isn't fair that he wants to fine or penalize us for not being able to afford health insurance. There are many Americans like me who the government says make to much for healthcare help but to little to afford to cover the 300 plus a month for healthcare for our families! Not that I don't desparately want it... I simply can't afford it. I don't see his healthcare plan working out as beneficial to us anyways because we all know how well socialized medicine worked out for oh say Russia. There was a doctor in NY who had an idea to cover people medically without insurance and still make himself money in the process. 75 bucks a month and the family got unlimited doctor visits.... The dem's told him he could not do that because it was illegal and short changing the ins. companies. I could come up with 75 bucks but 300 or whatever this tax, fine, whatever they end up calling it it completely without costs. And to the person who said for someone to get another job... Well with the job market as great as it is now yeah we can all afford to leave a job to run out and get one with ins. In this economy and job market people have to take what they can get! Food and shelter are more important than other things though they may be necessary!
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
Yup, it was the democrats who killed that idea... which would have been great!
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@Annie2 (594)
• United States
22 Sep 09
I could never come up with $75 a month. Well, maybe if I didn't eat. I have been without health insurance for about 10 years. I have tried (applied 3 times) for our state insurance and finally got it -- it will be effective Oct. 1. It will be $20 a month. I can afford that. I haven't got the paper work yet to see what will and will not be covered. I do know there is no dental or vision coverage. My daughter said that family coverage where she works is more per month than she earns per month. Her husband lost his very well-paying job and has taken a lesser paying job, and can't afford the family coverage at his work either. They are going to try to carry coverage on themselves and get their children on their state's insurance coverage. There has to be a better way.
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• United States
22 Sep 09
Good for you! You certainly do not mince your words! If it's not a tax, is it a fine? A fine without due process? ....I call it extortion of the worst kind!
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Sep 09
It's either a tax and he's lying or it's a fine without due process... either way he's wrong.
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@Koriana (302)
• United States
22 Sep 09
requiring you to buy health insurance IS NOT a tax....I mean, doesn't government taxes usually end up in some government's hands.... you buy health insurance, where does the money go to? an insurance company.....sorry, no tax. the fine for not having insurance is not a tax, it's a penalty, for not playing by the rules. if you get stopped for speeding and get a ticket, do you consider your fine a tax also? it's the collection bit of it all that is causing the confusing, probably because they started out with the objective of raising money for their new healthcare program instead of actually addressing a criminal activity that they would like to stop....but well, I don't care if you are talking about republicans or democrats the current administration or the old, they all seem to get easily confused about such things, they fine and tax a whole lot of non-criminal activity with the main motivation of just raising more money to blow.
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
He's not talking about the fee required for buying the insurance, he's talking about charging people a fee for NOT buying medical insurance. If it's not a tax, then it is a fine without due process.
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@Koriana (302)
• United States
23 Sep 09
I got a feeling that there's gonna be a due process involved, after all he's pointed out a few times where he realizes some will have to made exempt from the law. how would they tell who should be exempt, who shouldn't without some sort of due process?
• United States
22 Sep 09
If was a FINE you could go to court and fight it, just like any other FINE one receives (usually in the form of a ticket). Since the IRS will be collecting it and you can't fight it, it is a TAX. Didn't we have a "thing" over "taxation without representation" a little over 200 years ago?
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
In fairness, only some of the bills offered name the IRS as the collector. But you are right, if it was a fine, we would have the right to have our day in court over it.
@Annie2 (594)
• United States
22 Sep 09
When I heard that statement, . . . "everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance." it is obvious that the statement means people who actually drive autos. We certainly do get fined if we are caught in an automobile accident without it.
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
Once again, I'm just using Obama's own words at face value. If the point of his statement was that just about every American has to get car insurance, being wrong isn't lying. However, the statement was an analogy for something he knows isn't true... that being how this isn't a tax.
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• Canada
22 Sep 09
Having a public option is truly a blessing. Being a Canadian i have witnessed what a good health care system could do and i really think additional taxation is nothing if it means a manageable system for those who cant afford private health care. i do agree that Obama is not telling the full truth about how this system would be funded but the adjectives you used to describe him are a bit extremist. pardon my oxymoron.
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Sep 09
But is anyone charged for not paying for health insurance?
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@Eisenherz (2910)
• Portugal
26 Sep 09
Glad to see you're still kicking around the place and setting other people's moods on fire with your objective and constructive cricticism over the current american democratic administration in power. The so called "saviour" isn't that sweet of a man after all...let 'em blind followers of Doh' 'Bama keep learning the actual facts.
@K46620 (1995)
• United States
22 Sep 09
Great post, I agree.
• Canada
22 Sep 09
A powerfuk statement I so strongly agree to! Obamo should stop talking and do something already!