When Asking For Tech Help Isn't Helpful--Like Duh?

@pyewacket (43903)
United States
October 3, 2009 6:15pm CST
I got this phone call (my machine picked it up) from Verizon about changes that are going to be made about their email service. It advised going to their special website page to get the full explanation of the changes that will be made and if one has to change from what they call "port25 to "port 587". I'm copying some of the points made at their website: :http://verizon.net/port25 [b] Your Attention Needed: Re-configure Your Email Settings to Send Email[/b] [i]Most common email viruses are sent using port 25 to infect computers. Often times the user never knows their computer has been infected. In order to protect our customers, Verizon has turned off the ability to send email using port 25 for all users other than those using a @verizon.net email address. If you want immediate step-by-step instructions, visit change my port settings to 587 now. What is outbound port 25 blocking? Outbound port 25 blocking is a network configuration change that will prevent computers on the Verizon network from connecting to servers outside of our network. Servers outside the Verizon network use a method commonly employed to send unauthenticated, unsolicited e-mail or “spam”. Why is Verizon blocking outbound port 25? The majority of spam (unsolicited email) on the Internet is caused by malicious software viruses that take control of infected computers. These viruses direct the infected machines to send email through port 25. Verizon takes spam very seriously. Verizon blocks outgoing connections on port 25 to prevent infected computers from being used by spammers to send unsolicited email. Outbound port 25 blocking is a standard industry method to control spam. When will outbound port 25 blocking be implemented? We will begin implementing outbound port 25 blocking in the first quarter of 2009. Will outbound port 25 blocking apply to all Verizon broadband customers? Outbound port 25 blocking will be applied to FIOS and High Speed Internet services that use dynamic IP addresses. If you subscribe to a static IP address service, you will not be affected. Do I have a dynamic IP address? If you have standard residential or business FIOS / High Speed Internet service, you have a dynamic IP address. Static IP packages are sold as an upgraded service. Will I be impacted by port 25 blocking? If you have a dynamic IP address and you use a third party email account to send email from a desktop client such as Outlook®, Outlook Express® or similar programs, you may be affected and should continue to read this notice. If you are using email provided as part of your VErizon service or a web-based email account from another provider, you will not be affected. How do I determine if I am using a third party email account? If your email address is not part of your Verizon FiOS or High Speed Internet Service, and it does NOT end with @verizon.net, you are using a third party account. Do I have to change my Verizon.net email account settings? No. Subscribers using Verizon email services will not be impacted. I am using a third party email account that I access using my web browser. Will I be affected? No. Web-based email services will not be impacted.[/i] This is ONLY part of it...it goes on and on with a lot of double-speak...when clicking on one of the links it gives which email services might be affected, mainly Outlook Express, Outlook, Thunderbird and Entourage (Mac) Thing is I still didn't "get" it and was wondering if Yahoo and Gmail would be affected...according to the "instructions" it indicates no it would, and yet it hints that they will....huh? So I emailed tech support to get a further clarification and understanding what the heck is going on. I get an email back, right? The jerk referred me to THE SAME PAGE that I was questioning. So I'll probably have to wind up emailing tech support at Yahoo, Gmail and calling the Verizon support phone number since I'm still in the dark about what the heck is going on. Okay have any of you contacted a tech support system and got the same pat answer that you were originally questioning...in other words, no help at all?? If any of you can glean some clarification about all this if you're hooked up with Verizon or got the same type of notification about switching "ports" let me know.
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17 responses
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
4 Oct 09
Hi pyewacket, you've sent me off to techno coma Must say I keep getting the exact same emali - in Greek.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Techno coma? That's a good one...
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Oct 09
thea then I am not the only non techie here.,goody.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
4 Oct 09
Will you please stop disturbing my coma, it's much preferable than listening to computer talk
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@GardenGerty (169450)
• United States
4 Oct 09
All I can say is that it totally lost me somewhere in the middle or near the end or on or about port 25. Sounds like I am a spaceship docking somewhere I should not be.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Great I'm glad I'm not the only one confused...yeah "port"?? Beam me up Scotty
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Damn glad I dont uses verizons for anything but phone calls!
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
6 Oct 09
ohg my
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Oct 09
There aren't too many alternatives for my internet service...I can't use any kind of dial up service as my computer doesn't have an internal modem...
@BarBaraPrz (51818)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
4 Oct 09
My eyes started glazing over and rolling in to the back of my head halfway through that... Haven't heard anything about it, so, sorry, can't help you.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Yes reading that is as exciting as reading the fine print for credit card rules and regulations...uh, who reads all that anyway?
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
4 Oct 09
Guilty with that one pyewacket but those small prints hold some really interesting clauses.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Oct 09
pyewacket what you must do is find a close young relative 'who is computer saavy like my son and to him or her this tech stuff will be clear as crystal. like you I read all that and am going port which to port what, and oh my gosh'how is anyone who is not tech minded going to understand all that double speak. my own son has given me those kind of instructions and I am holding my head, thinking am I stupid or is it just I am not tech minded? pye if you want I can give you my son's email address and he could clarify all that at once,or best yet get a young computer'nerd friend who will look at that and grin and make it clear for you.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
4 Oct 09
I like to think I'm fairly computer geek savvy..heck I often help my friends out with computer issues but confess this totally confuses me Going to PM you
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
4 Oct 09
[i]Customer: "One of my friends gave me an ImageWriter printer and this keyboard. He said he gave me all the cables, but I can't figure out how to connect them. Am I missing something?" Tech Support: "Well, a computer would help." Customer: "You mean this keyboard isn't a word processor?" Tech Support: "No ma'am, its just an input device." Customer: "Then I need to buy a computer, right?" Tech Support: "Yes." Customer: "Do you think I'll need a monitor, too?"[/i]
@vivasuzi (4127)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Yes this happens all the time! I believe most tech support is either automated or a person that was trained to respond back with the same answer. i had a problem with the ticketmaster website a few weeks ago, I emailed to tell them that the site was trying to sell me "Mezzanine Row W". There is no Row W in the balcony, so of course I emailed. I got back a standard response about how you can't select specific seats! Hello! So I had to email back and forth 4 times before I got a REAL answer. My friend convinced me that the previous 3 answers were AUTO-Answers meaning some computer scanned my email and picked out keywords, then sent a response. What have I learned? Keep replying until you get a real answer. If you reply 2-3-4 times, eventually the humans behind this will get the hint and actually try to answer. What else I learned was to pick up the phone. I called Ticketmaster and got it straightened out in 5 minutes whereas the emails took weeks. Also, if you call and the first person is of no help, hang up and call back. Likely you will get a different person.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Oct 09
My worse experience was at first I tried the on-line "chat" thing...talk about automated responses!! And you could only type one sentence at a time instead of presenting the whole issue which certainly took longer than one sentence
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@Eisenherz (2907)
• Portugal
5 Oct 09
Yeah, I also find these tech supporting line aren't really all that helpful as they should be. Quite honestly I got fed up with them and don't even call them anymore. Maybe they have improved meanwhile and I should give them a 2nd chance? Who knows.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Oct 09
Yeah just might give it another go and recontact the jerks..LOL
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
4 Oct 09
Oh my goodness...pye! You are soooooo much more a "techno" than I will ever be, so I won't attempt to offer any input....let alone "understand" the above "gobbeldy "! But....yes, I have tried to get on-line help, and that time would have been better spent cleaning the toilet! But, after reading you discussion and trying to understand it...you have me on edge...as I use only Outlook Express! So far, so good...but possibly impending doom & gloom! aCheers!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Oct 09
Then from what I'm understanding Outlook Express might be one of the email providers that might be affected??????
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• Canada
6 Oct 09
I spoke with my son....as I NO MORE want a virus running thru my computer, than H1N1, and he assuaged me by telling me, that there is a giant war on now between all systems, with a lot of disparaging facts being dispelled thru-out the Internet! And some-one as large as Outlook would have their "techies" countering everything thrown at them, at even anticipating new curve balls. He advises me to leave new technology alone until it is proven! So I will sit here on my "duff" until he advises me otherwise! You've got my attention, tho! Cheers!
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@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
6 Oct 09
sigh, that's what i hate about tech support, or any other kind of support. i usually reply to the email in a sarcastic tone and demand that someone call me back. the worst is calling tech support. i'd call and the moment they hear me speak, they assume i'm an idiot. okay i'm female but that doesn't mean i'll call in regarding a blank screen because i forgot to switch on the power. as for your question, i guess it'll only affect email applications. so if you access your yahoo/gmail from outlook etc, you'll be affected. but if you access it via web browsers like IE/firefox/safari you won't be affected.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
7 Oct 09
Thanks ever applefreak...in a few short sentences you cleared things up for me...now WHY couldn't verizon have said it so short and simple instead of that long winded explanation they gave at their site???
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• Singapore
8 Oct 09
hi pyewacket, i'm not exactly very sure it's what they mean. however, from what i can make out from the sea of words it looks that way. i've read about these things and ports are like outlets for different applications (if i recall correctly). hopefully i didn't give you wrong information and cause you to not be able to access your email. thanks for the BR too
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
4 Oct 09
I've never had that problem for the phone, but the people I worked for did. I got a run-around and no help when I first started with Earthlink.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Oct 09
I have a friend that used to have Earthlink...USED to since it aggravated him too much
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• United States
4 Oct 09
I didn't see in your discussion where Verizon stated if one uses another email provider to get their verizon email (I use Incredimail and I think it's part of Outlook Express). It's still to verizon.net, so I did change the port to 587.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Oct 09
From what I'm gathering this change only might affect Microsoft/Windows Outlook Express,Outlook, Thunderbird and Entourage...I have neither..yet those instructions mention Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail..so still confused.
• United States
6 Oct 09
Yahoo, Hotmail, Gmail, etc., are web-based, and Verizon's actions re changing the port is only for Verizon.net clients. I have other email accounts with gmail and yahoo. No action is required.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
4 Oct 09
All that jargon sounds very familiar, not because I understand what any of it means but because when I was with my previous provider and had a lot of trouble sending and receiving my emails I was given all this port 25 bla, bla…. It’s funny because when I changed providers the problems stopped… I used to ring my old ISP’s help desk and I used to struggle to find someone who could speak English and then I would be told the exact same thing every time, try this, try that. Guess what? Been there, done that…I have tried everything! I am not sure what the heck they are trying to tell you so I can’t make thing any clearer for you, sorry!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Oct 09
I'm beginning to think half the time the so-called tech support people don't even really understand the tech problems. Maybe they should hire kids as tech support since kids seem to understand computer jargon better than we adults
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• Egypt
21 Feb 11
Just thought I would share this, you can check if your ISP is blocking outbound port 25 at http://port25.icannotconnect.com
@xtedaxcvg (3189)
• Philippines
6 Jan 10
This simply means that when you're have Verizon as your Internet Service Provider, you won't be able to send out messages from email providers that uses port 25 to send email messages. Unless you use Verizon's email service, which means having @verizon.net on your email address (i.e. johndoe@verizon.net), you won't be able to send out email messages. If you're email provider doesn't use port 25 to send out email messages then you'll be able to send out email messages using Verizon as your internet. I hope that somehow clarifies this issue.
• United States
12 Oct 09
port 25 is used most often,but if somebody really wants to get into your computer,switching ports isn't gonna amount to a hill of beans.they just use a listener to see what you have open.you're probably better off just using a really good firewall in general.
• Egypt
21 Feb 11
Just thought I would share this, you can check if your ISP is blocking outbound port 25 at http://port25.icannotconnect.com