So, I'm at Walmart...

@ElicBxn (61063)
United States
November 10, 2009 4:43pm CST
picking up some kitty treats for my client. I turn around and there's this young man looking at flea products. Being the nosy, buttinsky that I am, I said: "I wouldn't buy anything by Hartz." He started then said: "I've heard that. I was looking for Frontline." "They don't sell that here," I stated the obvious. "Now, you can get it at pet stores, but," thinking of it while I was talking," you'd probably do even better by going to Animal Trustees." "They sell that?" he seemed surprised. I said yes and then told him where they were. Turned out, he actually had a good idea of where they were at. I then described where to go to get the flea stuff - because he didn't want to pay $180 to the vet for his 3 dogs for a 3 months supply of Advantage. I told him that it was over $300 for flea stuff for one month for our cats, because we had a rescue, and that was FROM ATA. So, he left Walmart without buying anything and I got the kitty treats. But I was left with a warm fuzzy feeling that I had once again prevented someone from harming their animal by buying stuff from Hartz. So, my friends, don't by Hartz flea stuff, I've heard absolute horror stories of animals getting sick or dying from their stuff. Not that 100% of their stuff is bad, but better safe than sorry - right? has any of your animals been harmed by a flea product?
14 people like this
45 responses
@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
10 Nov 09
not that I kinow of but here we done deflea as no fleas in our yard and looks like they dont jump fences that are 6 feet high
2 people like this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
fleas can get in, but if there is nothing for them, they don't come in - nasty things
@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I know our doges did have them till we moved here of course we got rid of them before the move they would alos get ticks as they were in the woods alot.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
ticks are even nastier - yuk!
@hellcowboy (7380)
• United States
10 Nov 09
It is always good to save animals by getting people to not buy things that could harm animals and we have two chihuahuas that are both about two years old and my mother buys their flea stuff from a magazine because it is cheaper and it supposed to help the animals longer,and I do not trust everything that Wal Mart says or sales because I work at Wal Mart and it is a bad place,they do not care about the employees or the customers they only care about the bottom line which is the dollar,as long as they make money they are happy.
2 people like this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I know what is safe and what isn't. I wouldn't buy flea stuff at Walmart - like I told the fellow. However, the prices can't be beat - and if the employees don't like the way they are treated, they can quit.
1 person likes this
• United States
11 Nov 09
No you can not just quit a job in this economy since there is no guarantee so that is not true,even if they do not like it they have to put up with the crap until they can find another job.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
then they should just be grateful they have a job at all If I hadn't been facing getting fired or buying out to retire, I wouldn't have retired. But I knew that was pretty much my choice and that was in 2005. And while I can't say everyone I've ever met at Walmart has acted happy, most of them seem more cheerful than I've seen at other places. I think they are taking the attitude that any job is better than no job - especially if they don't have a lot of skills.
@BarBaraPrz (24673)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
10 Nov 09
Harmed? No. Helped? Again, no. I bought some Zodiac brand flea treatment that did nothing except make Harmony mad at me. (Speaking of whom, she jumped into my chair when I got up to check the brand.)
2 people like this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
10 Nov 09
that's another I heard mixed reviews of - I would be careful of anything that isn't sold at a vet's office on my pet
1 person likes this
@AmbiePam (51158)
• United States
10 Nov 09
I never found an OTC flea treatment that worked. Those stupid flea collar never worked either!
2 people like this
• United States
10 Nov 09
Those flea collars are even more toxic. Think about it, they warn you to use gloves when putting it on and removing it. Uh..if I have to use gloves to put the product on my pet, I ain't gonna use it.
2 people like this
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I never used any stuff for fleas. We would use natural products and just bathe them with dandruff shampoo (it works great). One thing to do is cut a lemon into quarters and place in a pint jug. Cover the lemon with boiling water and let it steep overnight. Next day you have a flea repellent that you can use in a spray bottle. Spray all over your dog remembering especially behind the ears and around the head generally (careful of eyes), around the base of the tail (once again keep away from delicate bits) and under your dog’s "armpits." I think that it was great that you did that. I, too, am a person who will give people assistance, if I think that I can help. If more people did that, how great would the world be?
2 people like this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
yeah, I can see that - one spritz and the cats are GONE!
1 person likes this
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Nov 09
[b]!!! Dangit, Elic, are you just itching to do laundry again so soon?!? ROTFLOL&PIMP! Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
1 person likes this
@blackbriar (9080)
• United States
10 Nov 09
-gives Elic a huge hug- Thank you so much for steering that guy away from Hartz. That stuff isn't just toxic but doesn't work worth sh*t. I found that out about 14yrs ago. Our first and only major flea infestation so went to Walmart and bought all kinds of Hartz flea products to attack back. Well, one cat lost most his fur and the fleas were all having a party in the shampoo and power on the other 3 cats and dogs, getting drunk off of whatever Hartz puts in their products that fleas so love.
2 people like this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
yeah, we took a dog flea collar off a little orange kitten, it was making her very sick - in fact, it almost killed the poor baby - she had discharges coming from both ends but she survived that
• United States
11 Nov 09
awwwwww...poor lil girl. Glad she had you to watch over her.
1 person likes this
@anewlevel (174)
• United States
10 Nov 09
No, I have never used any flea or tick products on my cat that my vet didn't prescribe for her. The only thing I would use a Hartz flea collar for is to put it in my vacuum bag. Apparently, if you have any fleas in your carpeting and you vacuum them up, the collar will kill them inside the vacuum bag. I would never put a Hartz collar or flea drops on my cat. I have heard way too many horror stories of people's animals getting sick or dying from that stuff.
2 people like this
@BarBaraPrz (24673)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
11 Nov 09
Thanks for the Good Housekeeping tip.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I have heard that, but I don't have any carpeting in my house - because of the cats - so I don't need to do that. I stick to Frontline or another vet recommended flea product.
• United States
10 Nov 09
Elic- Thanks for the updates hun. I had heard stories and always thought frontline was the best, but I've never used that either with any of my pets. Our kitty is an indoor gal so I've never used anything. We've never had any issues with her, and her Vet checks her out once a year. If it is this bad, why is it still on the market? It seems like if something is poor for humans they rip it right down, but when it comes to our precious housemates they'd leave anything up that is harmful. Thanks again for the information. Namaste-Anora
2 people like this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I have known indoor only pets with major flea problems, brought into the house by the owner. Why its still on them market? because they have BIG BUCKS to keep the lawsuits from keeping them on the market
@AmbiePam (51158)
• United States
10 Nov 09
I use Frontline for my dog, and it does cost an arm and a leg although it works better than anything else I've ever tried. But I also didn't know that Hartz was bad. Maybe I've heard it and forgot it (because that is SO something I would do), but I'm glad I read your post just now. Because I have bought something from Hartz for Sherlock before. Not in a while, but I remember the brand name. You really did that guy a favor, good for you!
2 people like this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I have heard this over and over, people having to spend big bucks to save their pets.
@lilaclady (28236)
• Australia
10 Nov 09
I have never heard of hartz actually, but I will take the warning in case, we have to look after our pets as we would ourselves...thank you.
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
10 Nov 09
http://www.hartz.com/
• United States
11 Nov 09
im not a cat person but shouldnt there have been a lawsuit or something i mean if they are dying and stuff
2 people like this
@Shar19 (8236)
• United States
10 Nov 09
Sounds like you did your good deed for the day. I like to give people advice to at the store if I think they need it or if they ask for it. Glad you mentioned about the Hartz. I never heard of that. I'll have to make sure my friends know about that too.
2 people like this
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Nov 09
[b]Speaking of dangerous pet products, although I still use clumping cat litter (& never had a problem), I did read in some cat mag several years ago that some cats have needed surgery to remove clumps that have formed in their bodies from licking bits off their feet. Do you recall this? Have your cats ever had a problem? You'd think it would'd be banned, if it were truly a common problem...still, I wonder about it. Any new info on it? Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
mostly kittens have that problem
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
12 Nov 09
cats with pica (not something Minnie suffers from) might have a problem - eating things that aren't food... We were giving the meds to help with flea allergy reaction - I notice that it isn't used for that any more
1 person likes this
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
12 Nov 09
[b]Whew! Thanks! That's a worry I can dismiss, then. You know how I hate to "horriblize," as Dr. Laura calls it (BEG ), but this is one area in which I don't plan to stop being "overly" cautious. Not when it comes to my pets' lives! Maggiepie "IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER!"[/b]
1 person likes this
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Nov 09
[b]Didn't we also hear a few decades ago that they were involved in some sort of turf war with another top brand for shelf space, causing problems in many stores 'til some regulatory body stepped in & handled it legally? Or was that a different brand? (You know me, geezerbrain...can't remember...) Your CLIENT (harumph!), Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Yeah, Hartz was going in and take Sergeant's stuff off the shelves until they got some serious fines for doing so. Then they got in trouble because they put out stuff that was too strong and actually killing pets, they pulled it and said they reworked the formula - but just actually watered it down some that was all.
1 person likes this
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Nov 09
[b] Thanks for the heads up, not that I use it anyway. What's the brand name of those monthly topical drops Minnie gets for fleas? Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Advantage
1 person likes this
@EbonyFire (146)
• Canada
11 Nov 09
I only use natural remedies on my cats. A tip for all, try Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth as a natural flea product. Diatomaceous Earth is good for bed bugs, garden bugs, fleas and a bunch of other things. Look up the benefits online.
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I've heard that, but never been able to find it - and about the time I want to get it, it rains and they always say to not get it wet
• Canada
11 Nov 09
I get it in the Home and Garden section. I live in Canada so I get it from Canadian Tire but you can probably find it at any store that has a home and garden section. I am not sure how ineffective it becomes when wet but it definitely is a cheap alternative. I also sell it on my website if you are interested in supporting my site. I had to use it to kill some bed bugs one time. It worked like a charm.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Hummm, I have a online friend with bedbug problems - I'll check it out and post it there
@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I avoid the spot treatments for fleas for all of my pets (2 cats and 2 chihuahuas). When Advantage by Bayer first came out I tried it on my chihuahua (I only had one at the time) and she was partially paralyzed in her hindquarters for two weeks. Thankfully it wore off. Last year was a really bad year for fleas where we live, so I tried a Sergeant's product that my neighbor swore by. It made both dogs scratch so badly in the area between their shoulder blades that we tried to bath them to wash it off. It did help, but didn't entirely get rid of it. Their skin was blistered where the drops were placed. Never again will I use anything that's applied for long-term treatment like that. I've never used the Hartz products. Years and years ago they had a reputation for not really working. More recently have been the reports of the hazards. I'm glad I've stayed away from that stuff. What I do use, and I've used it for upwards of 20 years, is a flea spray sold under the Zodiac brand name (or Vet-Kem at the vets). It is labelled for dogs and cats, works immediately and doesn't leave any nasty smells on them. I continuously look for flea evidence, and only treat them if I see something. I like limiting their exposure to pesticides unless I see something, it just makes sense to me. This spray is also fairly inexpensive to use. My last $9 bottle has lasted three years.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
yeah, Sergeant's has nearly as bad a rep as Hartz. What I really like to do is use a combo of Frontline and Capstar - while treating the yard with a serious pesticide (keeping the dogs inside until its dry) But the last time I got flea stuff for the cats it was over $300 and that was with a free treatment for every 3 I bought...
2 people like this
@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Capstar is the pill, right? I've seen it, but not sure if I'd give them something that spreads a pesticide into their circulatory system like that. I've have enough problems with the spot treatments. Do you feel that it works, and has any of your cats had any reactions to it?
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
its safe enough to give a pregnant cat - and I've safely given it to small kittens
@SomeCowgirl (32255)
• United States
13 Nov 09
I vaguely remembering reading, hearing or being told that Hartz products are harmful to dogs. I am not sure if MIL uses Hartz but I am almost certain she doesn't. It's always good to be helpful to others! Though if you were to live in the county my husband and I do, I would hope you'd have tempted him to buy something, as my hubby works for the wal*mart in our county... lol.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
13 Nov 09
now I do most of my shopping at Walmart, and if he had been looking for anything to buy BESIDES flea products, I would've done my best to help him find something, but NOTHING they have - at least at the local Walmarts - would I feel good recommending to put on an animal
1 person likes this
@SomeCowgirl (32255)
• United States
13 Nov 09
We have bought shirts and pee pads from them in the past as well as dog food, possibly tick medication as well, and bath stuff... The tick stuff is ordered now though and not from Wal* mart. WOOPS I put mylot at first! Silly me!
1 person likes this
• United States
11 Nov 09
Good job! It's sad how pets need so many things but most of it has ingredients that can cause them to get sick or die from it :( And it doesn't help that Frontline and Advantix is so expensive whereas Hartz and other products you can find in the supermarkets or places like Walmart are cheap. But if I were you I'd feel good too, especially since most people would be too shy to just say something to a strange, or they'd have this "Yeah, better mind my business" attitude.
1 person likes this
• Canada
11 Nov 09
I agree with your sentiment. You have to admire people like Elicbxn who speak out about these things. One person can really make a difference and look how it could have saved so many other animals if we all spoke up like this.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
cats and pets are a couple of my "safe" things to talk about, but I've also become a bit of an activist about these products
@EdTv00 (298)
• United States
10 Nov 09
I have no idea what your talking about, but this reminded me of when I put some flea medicine on my cats neck and his hair fell off around that area. I cant remember what brand it was (i wrote it down somewhere), but good thing his hair around his neck grew back, poor fellow.
1 person likes this
• United States
10 Nov 09
It was prolly Hartz. Had the same problem with one of my cats years ago cept almost ALL his fur came out.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I've had cats lose their hair from Frontline and Advantage. In fact one hasn't had the hair grow back...
@dawnald (84075)
• Shingle Springs, California
10 Nov 09
I haven't but I have heard stories...
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
10 Nov 09
hasn't happened to me, but the stories I've heard - but then again, I've never really used their stuff
1 person likes this
• United States
11 Nov 09
same here ive heard stories
1 person likes this
• Canada
12 Nov 09
You're right about the Hartz brand items. Not good for pets at all. On the other hand, I wouldn't even buy treats for my animals at Wal-Mart either.
1 person likes this
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
12 Nov 09
well, I was buying name brand treats, not store brand