I am from India, we have a situation....

@vandana7 (98137)
India
December 6, 2009 7:13am CST
I come from Andhra Pradesh. People out here talk in Telugu. We had State elections a little less than an year ago. In that, one party swept the polls. Now, the leader of one of the opposition parties is fasting unto death - the Gandhian way. His party fared miserably at polls. Still, there are followers who are on rampage, causing public considerable inconvenience. In a democracy, wouldnt this be outright disregard of people's verdict? If so, what should be done to control such vandalism? I'd understand if people had voted him to power, and they wanted the state to break down. But holding the state and center to ransom with his life for a wish that is not the wish of people, is it fair?
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15 responses
• India
7 Dec 09
Why are we as the people encouraging him? Why isn’t he ignored? If he has some followers, that means that he’s saying something that needs to be heard! I believe he’s fasting for Telengana….Telengana movement is a long standing demand of the people of that region and since I don’t know anything about it, I would not like to comment on the movement per se. But regarding this person holding the state to ransom, why isn’t he just picked up by the police and forcibly made to break his fast? You know about the lady from Manipur (I think) who’s on similar fast for so long for better deal for her people…I’ve read that she’s picked up at random and forcibly made to break her fast! So if this happens in the NE why not in Andhra? Is it because the NE does not ‘deserve’ the same attention as Andhra? Its complete politics top to bottom and I’m just disgusted with the divide and rule policies of our politicians…they are devouring this country more than the British ever did!
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• India
8 Dec 09
Very well said Vandana...but with new states like Jharkhand, Uttaranchal and Chhattisgarh setting precedents, I dont think the Telengana movement is going to peter out. We are having a similar situation in Darjeeling for the demand of Gorkhaland and in the future, many more such movements for separate states are bound to come up.
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• India
7 Dec 09
Hi vandana , it is difficult to find honest peoples in politics. Who ever wins the election wants to have control in power without any care about the peoples who voted them to get elected. They keep all ideology asides and move towards power. Even if their party gets defeated in election they start supporting opposition with some compensation or compromise and thus the purpose of our voting and election gets ruled out due to their dirty ambitions.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
7 Dec 09
If the choice is between getting a Telangana state ruled by present set of leaders and remaining with the Andhra Pradesh, then I would choose the later. :( There is simply nothing that impresses me about these hooligans. :(
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• India
7 Dec 09
Well said vandana, But what you will do if you vote for Telangana by selecting a young leader and he did not get majority. Than you will find that this young leader has become part of other government and started supporting them without taking interest about Telangana. This what happening in present politics and we as voter are geting cheated by fruad politicians.
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• India
10 Dec 09
Congratulations vandana, now india has a state called Telangana . Lot of congartulations to all Telgu speaking peoples.
• India
8 Dec 09
I think the situation is not complex. I am not from Andhra nor has any relative. But I wonder what the people of the particular region feel. Do they want to break up the state? Is this agenda merely for political gimmick or is it because the people of the region are not getting what they deserve? I think these are important questions to be answered before we judge. In democracy sometimes it's possible that the majority only looks at their advantage, and forget the disadvantage one. So it's important that this is avoided.
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• India
13 Dec 09
Well, I have not been there so I don't know so much detail. But if what you said is true: that the Telangana region receives what it deserves, then the whole issue might be for political reason. The problem with winning the election is that since there are lot of other issues involve in any political election, TRS's agenda to get a separate state alone may not catapult them to power. Referendum cannot also solve the problem. I think the point, as you've clarified, is whether the people of the region get economic benefit. For example, in Manipur there is this Manipuri which constitute almost 65% of the population. Nagas would constitute around 20%. Others constitute the rest. In 1920s Manipuri king with the British conquered portion of Nagas' land, and the land was given to Manipuri king to rule. When British left, India just gave this portion of Naga's land to Manipur. The Nagas living in this part of Manipur, by virtue of having being conquered, now want to separate from Manipur. Manipuri, however, refused saying that Nagas cannot separate. The Nagas say that they are exploited economically and they don't get what they deserve. Now, if there is an election on the basis of this agenda, Nagas will never win. Even in the Assembly, they simply cannot get the resolution passed because they are minority. Even in Andhra if this is the kind of situation things get complex. My point, then, is that election or resolution is not really going to provide justice.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
8 Dec 09
Hi headhunter, I agree with you. There are several issues coming up here. People from Andhra have not favored only those from their region. They've not paid more to those from their region. In fact, within Andhraites there is this fierce competition amongst themselves so that they dont let a fellow Andhraite get too far ahead of him/her. You could say, it is jealousy. But in so far as people from Telangana are concerned, no differential treatment has been meted out either by the folks from Andhra or by folks from Rayalaseema. The issue with Telangana is that people here have been traditionally poor (erstwhile Nizam era). This accompanied by low rainfall, and no dams built here have kept the region poor. The real transformation started during NTR regime, which was really enhanced during the regime of Chandrababu Naidu. These people are from Andhra and they pursuaded people from other state and other countries, including many NRI's to start businesses out here. Their outlook was comparatively more dynamic. They brought the city its glory. Now, in this stage when it should be progressing to the next level, if it is surrendered to people who dont really know head nor tail about software or other new industries (biotechnology) etc., it seems doomed for everybody, including KCR's telangana people. Foreigners will not start businesses here. NRI's will flee, no employment, lack of employment means increase in poverty, and consequently crime rates. In addition, it leaves the state open to people like naxalites. Why after this much of progress should we be surrendering to whims of a person who failed to win the election? People weighed the pros and cons in that context. Ask anybody on the street. It is KCR and a few of his followers who wish it. If you take a referendum, you will know the outcome clearly.
@vandana7 (98137)
• India
13 Dec 09
Hi headhunter525, you have raised a good question, and I really appreciate the way you've raised it. Telangana by itself is not a small part. If the feeling was indeed strong amongst the people in the region, then at least, in those parts of the state that can clearly be called Telangana region, they should have won the elections? They did field their candidates independently, and lost! In the previous elections, they'd joined hands with the Congress, that is the reason they won. Congress had won the previous elections because of anti incumbency. Therefore, the credit for winning should not go to Telangana party as people had possibly voted against the existing government, and they wanted Congress back, and Telangana party was just hitch hiking. This election held in summer, of this year, they had separate candidates in more than 30 seats, of which they could get only 13. So does it justify this drama? Have minorities not been adequately represented? Another issue here is we need to see that adequate water remains in some dams for electricity, and then adequate water is there for the farms. I agree Telangana lands are not infertile per se. But there is a hitch. Dams in Andhra region were built during British regime. By adding new dams on the way, we would be bringing down the water in them, and already developed farms will dry up! Is it advisible to start new farms? Second thing, even if we say it is ok for Telangana to build dams on its rivers, and provide waters to its regions, we need to check whether Rayalaseema region is ok with it. Telangana lies between Rayalaseema in the west, and Andhra in the east. Now, if we do break up, nothing will prevent Rayalaseema from building another dam, and preventing water flow into Telangana. Effectively, there will be little change in the status! So far Rayalaseema is the only electricity supplier to the state. But Andhra region (coastal regions) are now linking their rivers! They also have fisheries, and gas to live on! Where will be Telangana when Rayalaseema sells comes up by selling minerals, and electricity, and Coastal regions come up with selling gas, agricultural products, and exporting sea foods. And there are more software people from Coastal region! So even that industry will move away! So where will we be? No water, either to drink or for agriculture, no software companies due to fear of naxalites and communal riots, apart from lack of adequately educated personnel, and no gas, no food, no capital. It will just shrivel up! That will increase the number of naxalites who will trouble the neighboring states and that is one reason Andhraites are concerned!
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
7 Dec 09
This is the picture politics of Indian Sub-continent. In West Bengal the party in power the left front also calls 'Bandh' against the Central Government. This is the peculiarity of Indian Democracy. India is called the biggest democracy of the world. But the parties don't follow the democratic norms. Ghost of British rule is still on our shoulders.Pray to get rid of these ill practice of vandalism.
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
7 Dec 09
You may call it. Gujrat the home of Gandhi is the home of violence.
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@bhanusb (5709)
• India
9 Dec 09
I'm with vandana.
@vandana7 (98137)
• India
7 Dec 09
Shall we call it the gift of Gandhi? I am beginning to dislike Gandhiji. :(
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@malpoa (1216)
• India
8 Dec 09
Separate state for Telengana??? I know theses people are just being selfish so that they get more consistuency to get into poer. New state means a new set of minsiters and government. see how clever they are??? Ohhow I hate politics...They should be let to die. Sad that our people have a soft corner to all those who fast irrespective of the reason or demand for fasting!!! so it is ultimately both sides to be blamed.
@malpoa (1216)
• India
9 Dec 09
Oh come on, it is not even worth to fast for teaching these silly people a lesson. I am pretty sure that sonia is a lady with good reasoning and accountability. I never expect a blunder from her. The only one I disliked about her decisions is her decision to give manmohan singh the chair when sushma challenged that she would go bald if done other wise. Sonia could have sat on that chair one day and given us a thing to laugh at!!!
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
10 Dec 09
Hi Malpoa, I am so glad to come across some educated people. I cant stand BJP. I hate any radical views, whichever party, whichever religion. Yeah, Sonia should have given us that chance. But you know, Sushma Swaraj - she even called Sonia a widow. I think Sonia had a nightmare of Sushma without those tresses, and so chose to do what she did. Basically, I too have objections to Sonia sitting on that chair. I dont mind Priyanka or Rahul. Our Indian blood should be there in the person who sits there. By the way, how about South separating from North? We dont really have Kashmir issue. Nor do we have the Assam issue. So we will prosper by using our earnings with ourselves instead of financing these fat politicians. What do you say? Shall I start fasting? I am itching to fast for some political reason.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
8 Dec 09
Yeah Malpoa, I feel terrible. :( I am scared a bit. :) There may be violence as well. :( I am seriously contemplating starting some fasting of my own. If he wants separate Telangana state, I want separate Software Telangana state. He doesnt have MLA's, nor do I, he doesnt have MP's, nor do I. So we both are on par. Let me c, what Sonia (High Command would do) rather what KCR would do. If he gets it, I am seriously considering it. :)
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@sunnycool (12714)
• India
6 Dec 09
hi vandana,If the government fails to control people then the live example is in front of us.Our CM is of no use though he had vast experience he couldnt use it wisely and now they are at the top of the mountain and CM is watching them and he can do nothing but extend the holidays and curfew.He must have taken it seriously when the students have started this at OU itself.what do you think would they be successful in getting their separate state?I dont think sonia is going to accept it so easily.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
6 Dec 09
I think this is infringement of my right. If I've voted against a particular person who is symbolic of a party and objective that means I consider him incompetent! So its ridiculous and childish on his part to do what he is doing! I agree with what xfahctor, and thea have mentioned above. Let him to go. Everytime anybody wants something, they will start behaving like this, irrespective of other people's rights. He has never shown any consistency, maturity, or even an idea about what he wants to do with state. Except asking for separate state, has he come up with single thing that can prove to people that a good future awaits them?
@vandana7 (98137)
• India
6 Dec 09
Quite mature opinion. :) Yes, we should be standing together and resolving conflicts one by one. But we Indians, who pride ourselves to be very intelligent, tend to forget that only one problem can be solved at one time. Did you notice that we've always had multiple problems to tackle simultaneously? Be it Kashmir, and LTTE, be it ULFA and Kashmir, and then Gujarat and Bajrang Dal. In this scenario, if people like this and the Thakre's start rising, the whole country will be a mess! From where do we get additional monies to set up new government offices? New personnel, new procedures. The list is endless. Dont we send wrong message across when we keep changing our minds like this? Would any foreigner want to set up business here if we continue to behave like this? How would we employ our people? Nothing I have mentioned here supports the ruling party. I dont find KCR or other leaders that have come to front, charismatic enough to get business in the state. I reject him based on his persona, his education, his behavior. I think I have yet to see a party leader in TRS who qualifies even to the rank of Jyotiraditya scindia. It is leadership issue, it is agenda issue. I am from Telangana now, and I refuse this leadership outright. I need an educated and young person with dynmism. He should have a clear cut plan that mentions ok - there are so many people in telangana. So many are below poverty line, and this is what I intend to do to bring them on par with the rest. There is nothing!!!! :( Insult to my education.
@sunnycool (12714)
• India
6 Dec 09
there are people who are waiting to take advantage of this situation and they would raise their voice for sure if the central government gives a green with this partition which is not good coz the same repeats again and someone would be ready to on the road with his childish behaviour and stupids who support them for another partition.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
13 Jan 10
They say that everything is fair in love and war. Indians are adding Politics too in that list gleefully. People are at the lookout for the simplest excuse to start the mayhem and vandalism. The say that India is a developing nation. In which direction God only knows?
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
13 Jan 10
What can I say? You said it all. :) Indian politics stinks.
@subha12 (18441)
• India
7 Dec 09
Politicians will do this type of drama again and again. I am fed up with these. The hooligans held people to ransom and also they6 vandalize public property,. this is disgusting.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
7 Dec 09
I agree. It is a drama. Getting a separate state will help nobody but them. They will have a ministery, they will get a nice office with air conditioner, they will get large houses, with security, the charges of which will be borne by the government, they will clear the files by taking bribes from contractors. That is what it boils down for the state. An average man gets nothing!
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
7 Dec 09
I truly understand your question, vandana..and do concur that if the "powers" are the choice of the people's, they should not be held up for ransom like this! But I must ask...why is the protest in progress? Does the opposition, and those that support the opposition feel that there was corruption in this election? Corruption has become so much a part of many elections nowadays...and I am just wondering what the basis for this extreme behaviourism is? Cheers!
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
7 Dec 09
Hi pergammano, elections were held in April this year. And this drama has been started after recent municipal elections. Since April, none of the parties (and there are several in our country) complained of any corruption. They've still not called the election unfair. :( And today's news is disturbing. All parties are relenting and want to bow down. :(
@yugasini (12836)
• Anantapur, India
6 Dec 09
hi vandana madam, the drama is going on the leader is going on deeksha is not stick on to his word,some times he is telling some thing and some time telling the other thing,the students are fools in his hand,what to do with this leaders,if any body wish to do service,they can do the service without any power and postings,have a nice day
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
6 Dec 09
Yes, students have been completely brainwashed! You've understood it correctly. It is conflicting opinions. He has shown no steadiness at all! There is no charisma. There is simply no performance as a public servant! How do you expect any vote for such people. :( Thanks for responding yugasini. Really appreciate your views. :)
@yugasini (12836)
• Anantapur, India
7 Dec 09
hi vandana madam, thanks for the comment,i know all the histories of all leaders in Andhra Pradesh and in India also,all are pretending that they are doing service to the people but they are doing for money and power only,i am not finding any real leader to serve the nation are gone in olden days itself,have a nice day
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
6 Dec 09
Hi Vandana, if he wants to starve himself for attention then let him, but just hope he pays his own Doctors bill when he gets bored of it. Any time of rampage and vandalism should be dealt with by the police and the vandals imprisoned. We must be due some riots in the capital here soon which will disrupt normal lives and cause millions euros worth of damage. These people need to learn that taking to the streets with thuggery is not their solution and a very timely reason NOT to vote for any party they are associated with which does not immediately immediately stand up and disown themselves from such behaviour and condemn it with meaning.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
8 Dec 09
No it is not. I'd be confused by what thing he felt the need to die for, but ultimately, that's his choice. Let him die. It isn't what I'd wish, but you can't force an entire nation to take on some policy just because someone is starving himself. As for the vandalism, the punishment for the crime is not high enough. If the punishment was bad enough, they would not do it. So clearly you must increase the punishment for the crime, until it is high enough that it is no longer worth the risk to commit the crime.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
8 Dec 09
Hi andy77, I agree with your solution. :) You have simply come up with the right answer, which I could not come up with. It is a different issue that I dont have any power to implement it. But that is the solution. Thanks for sharing your views. And you know why I am giving you the best response. :)
• India
8 Dec 09
Hi vandana, Me too a pity Indian looking at these dramas, I'm there in Hyderabad for the past 4 days, I came to visit my Brother's house. Its very bad to see a city If I'm a person working in the hospital, I'll give him some kind of medicine so that he'll faint or fall asleep...! And after that I'll tell that he's very weak so that we have to give medications and make him well...! Then I'll give him some poison with his medicines later when he gets well , Personally I don't want any one to make my nation, my neighbor state restless and affect its daily life, I don't think I can do much than this My dream about our country to be free from all this bloody brainless politicians We can be really happy without these politicians, I'm fed up with these Dramas..!
@vandana7 (98137)
• India
9 Dec 09
Yeah. I feel like calling all of them to a conference along with their followers and doing a Jalianwala bagh on them. It would be a scene similar to Robert Ludlum's Matarese Circle. How can anybody honor one person's wishes against the mandate of so many? I mean, dont we qualify as citizens? Dont we have any rights, any say? The more I look at him, the more repulsed I feel. It is deprivation of my rights. How can anybody expect us to like such a person? In Gandhiji's time, majority wanted it. Here it is the minority that is doing this. In law we have minority protection, and minority rights. Here, majority needs protection, and it is the rights of majority that are at stake. Horrible state of affairs.
• United States
6 Dec 09
that is not fair. he should really start to care for the people if he wants to get his wish. the citizens are first.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
6 Dec 09
Misuse of Gandhianism. To the world Gandhi offered a way to protest. But Gandhi's followers didn't resort to burning buses, pelting people traveling, burning shops and public places. The political bigwigs veil their threats so silently. I hope the guy survives and I hope we can file a case in the court against him for infringement of our constitutional rights, for inciting people to do things that they should not. Petulant child. As xfahctor pointed out, it is a childish tantrum, holding breath till he gets his way. :( The only reason we cannot let him die is if such thing does happen, vengence will be against people from one particular region of the country. :(
@vandana7 (98137)
• India
6 Dec 09
Thanks for posting hippiekins. :)
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
6 Dec 09
As cold as this sounds, he'll eat when he gets hungry enough. If not, well, he has no one to blame but himself. A free society cannot give in to what amounts to the tantrums of a sulking child. This is a bit like the child that holds his breath until he gets his way.
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@vandana7 (98137)
• India
6 Dec 09
Exactly! But the issue is if anything happens to him, his people would unleash terror on others - subjecting some people treatment possibly similar to what Hitler did in Nazi Germany. Oh! I really feel miserable at times about Gandhian ways. People are misusing it so often. :( By the way, there are already rumors that he is going into bathrooms and eating a few morsels, and he is pleading doctors to save his life. May be these are jokes, created to ridicule him. But the situation is quite annoying. :(