Barely civil? That's us!
By SViswan
@SViswan (12051)
India
March 28, 2010 1:35am CST
I just read a newspaper article that said that Indian tourists are generally loud, boorish and quite inconsiderate of others. Do we thank auto drivers? Do we help an older person cross the road? Will we make space in the elevator for people who enter after us? Will we hold the door open for people who come in behind us? Do we wait in queue at railway crossings? The answer is sadly enough, NO!
This article was mainly about Indians. I wanted to know if this is true. Do the Indians on mylot do any of these and more...or are you one of the majority who aren't civil or polite to the others? The non-Indians here, have you experienced this to be true or do people in your community too do the same?
Having lived outside the country most of my life (where the local people weren't civil at all but I studied in international schools and maybe that is what made the difference), I found that I was 'a strange person' when I returned to India. Yes, I thank auto drivers even after I have fought with them over the rate..lol...and I find people looking at me like I'm an alien who just landed from outer space when I thank the waiter at a restaurant (a discussion on this topic which I had started a couple of years back).
So, what do you think about the article? Is it true about Indians or people in general all over the world...or is it untrue?
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7 responses
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
28 Mar 10
I am neither Indian from India nor a Native American "Indian" but I can say this. Here is the US there are places where people are boorish and inconsiderate and other places where people are just the opposite. It is not universally true that people in large cities have more of a tendency to be loud and rude than people in outlaying communities, but in general, small town dwellers tend to live life at a slower pace and to take time to look one in the eye and say "thank you."
However, because of a job, for about 15 years I was living in two different states, traveling back and forth between two towns that had roughly the same population, and every trip required readjustment because in one of the towns the clerks in stores would remember us and ask when we got back and how we were doing before taking the money and then say it was good to see us again and to come back when they handed up our receipt. Then the other town, they would not even look us in the eye much less offer a civil greeting. The towns were about the same size, but the polite town was out in the country with no other town around for 25 miles, and the rude town was very cosmopolitan, with 5 other small towns pressed up against it and very high density. So possible it was not so much a matter of how many people lived there, but how close they were to one another.
When I shop in a store or use a service in this country, however, it is very noticeable that people from certain other countries (I can think of 5 or 6 of them off-hand) are extremely rude in how they perform customer service compared to any natural born citizen. Many kinds of telephone customer service here have been outsourced to various other countries and it is not difficult to tell from the syntax and accent who is from where. It has been my experience that out of hundreds of calls fielded by reps from India, I have only spoken with one phone rep who was what we would call civil here in the States. That is on the phone, though. I have worked side by side with several people from India and with people from a couple of the other countries that seem to have bad phone reps, and in person they were kind and gracious and polite. So I can only conclude that it is something about how the workplace is set up and the expectations of management in these different places, rather than the personalities of the workers themselves.
I have met and even waited on a lot of tourists and have never experienced a rude Indian tourist.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
29 Mar 10
lol...we can be loud when we are with friends and having a good time. I don't think Indian tourists travel abroad in a group like they do in India. But some people (not necessarily Indians) really do not understand that their 'fun' can disturb others around them and to be considerate. 2 months back, we were on a trip with another family (the husband was my husband's classmate). We stayed at another clasmate's home. There wasn't enough place to accomodate the two families, so the other family was put up at a resort that was had lots of foreign tourists. The ruckus the kids made(both of them are older than my older son), I was apalled and had to 'shush' them many times. In comparison, my 3 year old was well behaved (he is a little brat who can throw a mean tantrum when he wants to). The worrying part for me was that the mother never chided them even after the American in the next room complained to the manager about the noise.
Customer service also...it depends on the person. I've had people who have been truly very helpful and done a good job even when things were not getting done. At the same time, I've had people yell back at me when I'm asking for their service. I consider that very rude...because I'm not one to yell at them or be rude unless they are...and I expect the customer service to placate an upset client not make things worse.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
29 Mar 10
There does seem to be a world-wide epidemic of parents who fail to control their children. We have a lot of that here, too. When I was growing up any adult had the authority to "shush" anybody's child who was misbehaving but now that is not politically correct. Many people still have decent families with wonderfully behaved children, but an equal number of them are like a weed patch -- loud and destructive.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 11
I agree! When I was growing up anyone could 'shush' us and most times it worked a lot better than the parents themselves trying to control the kids. But now, parents are worried about the self-esteem of the child...their own child...they are very free with their advice when it comes to the kids of other people..lol
@GardenGerty (169490)
• United States
1 Apr 10
I do not know about how they act in India, but in the US the people I have met from India are usually well mannered and quiet people, very respectful. There are rude people everywhere, as well.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
1 Apr 10
I have to agree on that. We can't generalize based on a community. There are rude and polite people in all communities. And cultural differences do play a role. We went on a trip with another family recently and I remember the kids were pretty noisy. An American in the next room complained about the noise too. The kids were both older than my 9 year old and I remember shushing them a couple of times. I agree children can be noisy and a little active. But I also feel kids of a certain will understand respecting other people's privacy and space. Worse is when adults themselves do not realize the importance.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
28 Mar 10
I cannot speak for others Sandhya because I have nver ever gone out of this country.As far as I am concerned I thank autodrivers regularly and am as civil I can to all people ;but I find that people are different in a small town than what they are in cities.From what I have heard of stories from my relatives staying abroad , I have found that helping tendencies and humane behaviour is greater in
I ndia than abroad because there in cities people just do not have time for one another.I find thta this is true in our metroplois here too.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Mar 10
It's about being considerate of the others around them (though the writer used the word 'civil'). I find that poeple in the village usually accept new comers with open arms. I find that I can find rude and polite people everywhere in the world. But this article specified things like standing in queue, thanking auto drivers (which isn't a common thing and I'm glad you do it), etc.
@Roseo8 (2947)
• India
29 Mar 10
Hi SV...I was born and brought up in Kerala,but I must admit my convent education has always taught me to be civil and kind to people and I do always thank the waiters in restaurants and other people who extend their help to me...Any way I have not seen this article ,but do not agree with what is mentioned there.......Most educated Indians are civil and polite to fellow Indians and to foreigners.....But there are surely to every rule and it is not right to genaralise based on such exceptions.....

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@SViswan (12051)
• India
29 Mar 10
Hi Rose, I guess it's probably the convent education. I remember when I studied at Holy Angels' Convent (the ICSE branch and not the SSLC one), we were different. I couldn't put a finger on it...but yes, almost all of us had parents abroad or spent a few years abroad...and that influenced the other students who had never been out of the country. But the way we carried ourselves and spoke, it was obvious that we were different..lol
This article came in the Sunday supplement of Deccan herald. And as pointed out by the other mylotters, there are people like this in almost all cultures..and not just Indians.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
28 Mar 10
Hi SViswan, it may be true. As to me, I am quite polite with auto drivers, unless they behave offensively. Shouting on street, I have never done it, but may be that is because I never needed to. I have never thanked the waiter at any restaurant - that would look weird. But in general, the waiters are pretty discreet. They leave the bill and wait for us to leave for picking up the tip. So it is difficult to thank them I suppose.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Mar 10
As far as waiters go, I do thank them....when they serve me...when I am leaving out the door. My kids have also picked this habit up from me.
Even people in the life...most people do not move and make way if they get in first...but the ones who do, I thank them even if I do not know them. I thank the elevator operators at big malls....I remember to use 'please' and 'thank you' (ok..I forget sometimes to say 'please' and I overdo the 'thank you':P)...but more than saying..it's about being considerate to the people around you. Waiting for one's turn...not cutting on the wrong side in traffic, honking unnecessarily...sweearing at other drivers...etc.
@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
28 Mar 10
I have learned never to trust on any article in any newspaper. Yes, you get rude and boorish people, but that is all over the world. To just say that only one does it, is unfair. But, i tend to ignore such ignorant people. It doesn't bother me at all. TATA.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Mar 10
Oh...I don't trust everything I read...especially articles. I was just wondering if people in other parts of the world also thought of us, Indians the same way or if it could be that the majortity do behave that way. There are resorts and hotels in India that do not allow Indians to use them (for similar reasons or because they can make more money out of foreigners).
My perception is that there are as many rude people as polite people anywhere in the world.
@kar295rocks (2116)
• India
28 Mar 10
Well, I want to a face-off with the writer of the article! Okay, I agree with you in the fact that we Indians are generally loud and inconsiderate - but not all! If the foreigners think they are much more civilized than us, they are making a mistake and they are bringing a superiority complex over us. Well, Indians nowadays go abroad to study in reputed and renowned universities and schools, yet we still earn the title - Bloody Indians! I am not blaming anyone, but rather we have option but to blame ourselves! Have you seen a fight in the Korean or the Japanese parliament? Do you think the Bikers who are born to ride are civilized? Is eating stale food like pizza, burger civilized? Is coloring your body and calling them a trend civilized? Is wearing tattered jeans civilized? Is smoking and killing civilized? Well, they call us uncivilized as we blindly follow them! Well, our own countrymen are dissatisfied if one shows a sign of gratitude, consideration and kindness!!!
@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Mar 10
The writer is an Indian. It also mentioned that most indians who return from abroad are more civilized (well, most of them..some tend to revert to their old ways when they step on Indian soil).
I can't really disagree that people here aren't civilized (wrong word - what I mean is considerate). But I was sure that the case was same elsewhere in the world too. Having lived in the Middle East, I knew the locals (in the country I lived...not all the other countries) were very rude people.
But here I also find that some people are embarassed when people show them signs of gratitude, consideration and kindness.






