Conservatives Playing With History Books

@gewcew23 (8011)
United States
April 18, 2010 3:16pm CST
Conservatives use to demonize school text books that talked more about Betty Ross than George Washington. Yet Texas conservatives have decided that Thomas Jefferson is not worthy of children to learn about. Forget about that he was the author of the Declaration of Independence and the Third President. I would not be making such a big deal about this but since Texas buys so many school books, school book makers design their whole line of books based on what states like Texas wants. So because of this one decision children all over America will learn more about John Calvin than Thomas Jefferson, how it all comes full circle.
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@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
19 Apr 10
It's Jefforson's views on church and state (I think), makes them want to dim the light on him. Heaven forbid a founding father talk about a wall of separation between the state and the church. They feel they need to put a conservative spin on some of the stuff they're teaching kids. Our education system in Texas is messed up enough without playing politics with our student's educations. That said, I hope someone with some sense reverses this before I have kids.
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@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
19 Apr 10
Is it also true that they worked intelligent design into the biology text book.
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• Elkin, North Carolina
19 Apr 10
His views on the separation of church and state is so far from what we see being taught today. The main idea of separation of church and state was that the government couldn't meddle in religious affairs. It didn't mean that religion had no place in government; it meant that government had no place in religion. The history of this comes from the founding fathers' experience in England where the government controlled and watched over the Church of England. The government dictated what the church should do. It was that type of environment that the founding fathers were trying to prevent. And they should definitely include Intelligent Design into the Biology textbooks. If they allow for the "theory" of evolution in textbooks, they should allow Intelligent Design to be taught. What's the problem with students learning both?
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
19 Apr 10
But Intelligent design is not even a science. Yes Evolution is a theory just like gravity and relativity. Intelligent design is not even a theory.
@laglen (19779)
• United States
18 Apr 10
I dont think they should be taking anything out about our founding fathers! I think their struggles, thoughts, writings etc should be emphasized. How can we know where to go if we dont know where we came from.
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
19 Apr 10
How much you want to bet that those same Texans will quote Jefferson next time Obama does something that they disagree with?
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@laglen (19779)
• United States
19 Apr 10
lmao so true. I love Jefferson for quotes. He was very well spoken. What hypocrites.
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@epicure35 (2822)
• United States
21 Apr 10
I am not aware that TX has made a decision to eliminate Thomas Jefferson from textbooks. Liberals are the ones who have decided to totally eliminate the history and the truth of this country from the minds of our children for years. They have been rewriting history to their specs re "political correctness" and other nonsense. Textbooks have been a political tool for years, and it's a shame. There is no problem with updating history, but there is a great problem with removing it and that is purely a liberal tactic. It's scary, but, also there is a great deal of misinformation foisted on our children, as well as totally bad spelling, grammar, punctuation.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 Apr 10
As usual, Epic is right. I, too, have been watching the Texas textbook acquisitions battle for decades, & it has always been tilted waaaay to the Left when it comes to history revision. It has been Conservatives fighting to keep major historical figures & events from being removed (that includes religious events which helped shape this country), & it's a never-ending vigil! Honest errors, grammatical, spelling, etc., are a different matter. It might be the fault of people "edumuhcated" in the dumbed-down, modern government indoctrination centers (laughingly called "public schools"), or just carelessness, but we go after those, as well, knowing the importance of teaching proper skills to children. I'm not prepared to say the reason there are so many such mistakes is political & deliberate--perhaps so, perhaps not--but it does bear repeating that the experimental nature of Left-thinking educators has allowed "non-standard" (read flat-out WRONG) English spelling, grammar & pronunciation to be used, supposedly in order to assuage our children's dainty sensibilities..."delicate self esteem" must remain unbruised, never mind that we're the only first world nation with such know-nothing children, who have even graduated not knowing our history, or even how to find the U.S.A. on a map! I mean, seriously, people...! Still in all I think something here is deliberate, & that is someone is attempting to smear Conservatism & its adherents, while in fact I KNOW it has been we who have held the banner high to keep such people as Washington, Jefferson, & other such major historical figures IN the books. So, I'm not just going to lie down & let the PC juggernaut run right over me. I still say, something stinks. Maggiepie Can't find a spot for your discussion that really fits? Try Open Mike!
@lhsy2k (227)
• United States
18 Apr 10
I read about this before and it infuriates me. How they are getting away with this I have no idea. The parents of these children need to demand an unbiased education for their children. Let us allow our children the free will to decide in what they believe, and this blatant brainwashing can not continue.
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@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
18 Apr 10
Oh but it is so much easier to just brain wash them
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@irisheyes (4372)
• United States
19 Apr 10
It's sad that this can happen but the truth has a way of coming out in the end. I loved history in school and I accepted the things in history books as gospel truth right up until I was a teenager in a coffee house listening to Buffy St. Marie sing about Wounded Knee. Then, I remembered my own father, who was of German descent, questioning what I learned as a child about the sinking of the Lusitania. This re-writing of history has been going on for a long time and in many ways it is the price we pay for living in a free society. But because we are a free, we have access to both sides and Jefferson's immortal words in the constitution he penned for us will, in the end, carry more weight than the censorship of a few narrow minds. I can't not believe that. I really can't.
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@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
19 Apr 10
What does this have to do with conservatives? Why would conservatives have any beef with Thomas Jefferson? And where is a link to the article?
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
19 Apr 10
Because it has everything to do with conservatives. It isn't liberals doing this.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
2 May 10
So neither of you have documentation or any motive that this is sinister?
@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
19 Apr 10
These folks have been meddling with our history for the last thirty years. It really does not matter, they have changed and or mis-configured the facts so badly that the have many of the wars fought through the centuries being won by the wrong side. There really seems to be no way to fix this, we don't seem to care if our kids learn anything at all including who started our country and why...
• Elkin, North Carolina
19 Apr 10
Who exactly are "these folks" that you refer to? And what facts have been "mis-configured"? Which wars are you talking about that have supposedly been won by the same side?
@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
19 Apr 10
Educators, school boards, publishers and apparently a great number of parents, that do not fact check their information. Two years ago an independant agency went through the high school history books and found unbeleivable factual flaws. Examples that I remember and some facts that I found checking our local school books; Nepolean winning the battle of Waterloo. (Wrong accross the country) Sixth US president, Andrew Jackson. Japan's ally in WWII, Russia. Japan had no nuclear capability when we dropped the bomb ending the war with Japan. The US owns the Falkland Islands. Texas winning at the Alamo. The 1967 Korean war. Cuba is a socialist society. America's first attack by a foreign country was 9.11.01 (my personal favorite) The Bush family were the first family to have two US presidents. America Somalia is a US state. (We really owe them a star on the flag) We (a small group of parents) took a 8th grade History book and found 180 incorrect historical facts (we won't discus miss-spellings and grammer problems) and that was on just one effort with very little research. If we cannot get the non-controversial facts correct how can we have intellegent conversation about real issues. As a history buff I realize that most of the information I received in public education, 30 years ago, was very limited and very little effort was ever put into the "why" of history but most of the facts and dates were correct. The conversation about the "Texas School Books" has come up every couple of years over teh last twenty years and every time nothing gets done about correcting the situation. The folks who write the college text have admitted publicly that they dumb down the higher education text every year. It is a progressive de-educating system. The real question is, does any of it matter with a fifty percent drop out rate.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
20 Apr 10
Whoa, wait a second...huh? This doesn't compute! "Conservatives" don't want Jefferson in history texts?? I wonder if these really were Conservatives! We love the Founders! We've had to fight to keep them IN children's textbooks! Perhaps they are actually liberals pretending to be Conservatives, to try to smear real Conservatives--something that, until recently, I would've dismissed as a wacko conspiracy theory, but now, in the like of the bunch that has a website calling for Leftists to do that very thing to Tea Party folks, I know there are actually Leftists who WILL do that, so... Anyway, why would any CONSERVATIVE want to toss out him in particular? We LOVE Jefferson's Declaration! I think this needs a LOT more investigation; something stinks here... Maggiepie Post topics in Open Mike if they just WON'T be comfy anywhere else!
@epicure35 (2822)
• United States
21 Apr 10
As usual, Maggiepie is right.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
19 Apr 10
Great topic! I agree, when I first heard about this at first I figured that if that's what they want to teach their kids in Texas that's up to the people that live there but then when I realized how this affects schools all over the country it upset me. I don't think either side should be able to rewrite history or pick and choose what our kids should learn. Annie
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
19 Apr 10
It wouldn't be fine for those Texas school children, but at lest it would be confined to just them, which still does not make it right though. When their decisions effect school children else where now that is where I draw the line.
@dragon54u (31644)
• United States
19 Apr 10
I was very dissatisfied with how my sons learned history in school so I taught them things that were not in their books. I don't think everyone can be pleased but it's important for parents to pick up the slack and be involved in teaching their children. A lot of schools are talking of going to Kindle. Cheaper books, don't take up space, can be updated almost instantly and a convenient way for the students to be able to tote all their books around on one lightweight device.
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
19 Apr 10
A Kindle is an interesting idea.
@K46620 (1994)
• United States
19 Apr 10
no one should be rewriting history, but agendas always get in the way...
• Elkin, North Carolina
19 Apr 10
I agree that this is a problem because Thomas Jefferson is one of our Founding Fathers and much of the reason we exist as a country to begin with. The problem I have is that people believe that all conservatives are going along with this or that this is what all conservatives are about. That's definitely not the case. I consider myself a conservative socially and financially, but I don't agree with what this one group is trying to do. Not all conservatives have gone off the deep end.
@cupkitties (7489)
• United States
19 Apr 10
Yeah that stupid but not that surprising seeing as how they have left a lot of other important figures and events out of the school history books. Look up women warriors for instance. I don't know about anyone else but I never learned about them in school.This is why children need to be introduced to other reading sources besides the text books.
@hofferp (4737)
• United States
19 Apr 10
I heard or read a discussion on this not too long ago, but I still haven't seen the article/link on what the people, who were responsible for the decision, said for arriving at such a decision. If it's true, it's sad for this bunch of kids, who'll miss out on learning about T. Jefferson. What else are they going to miss out on?
19 Apr 10
i love to love history books of the people who have make their names from a scratch and also books which contains the famous wars between the big kingdoms