“Give and take policy”----

@kalav56 (11464)
India
June 2, 2010 6:06am CST
There are many people who believe in ‘give and take policy’. I just was thinking about this-- there are some people who are more ‘giver’s , some who are predominantly ‘taker’s. Do you get what I mean? Here I obviously do not mean money or anything in kind but the way we transact with people, the effort we invest in a relationship, etc.., I would categorize my father as a person who always ‘gave’ more than what he got. I also would categorize some people whom I know well as people who would only ‘take’ rather than ‘give’. I am only giving examples to explain my statement and am not placing any value judgement. But, if you are forced to interact with people who want to be only ‘taker’s [who can think only of their own selves and not worry about others ] how would you deal with them? Personally, I feel I would transact less with them and if I am forced to I would also think of my self preservation and behave accordingly . Please share your views.
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@jaiho2009 (39142)
• Philippines
2 Jun 10
Hello dear, Precisely,mostly i know are "takers" more than of a giver. As we are running charity institutions,i meet people of different walks of life. We offered several free services to name a few,medical,legal,education,bus rides,orphanages,home for the aged and others. Services that are intended for the needy,poor and less fortunate. But,i can see that,some of them who avail those free services are really not poor. Since it is free,those who can afford and have money take advantage with out services. I understand that it is a big help for them to save the supposedly expenses which they can avail for free. It is always a happiness to serve other people/strangers without expecting in return. And i learn it from years of being a volunteer with charity institution.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
HI JAIHO! but that is very unfair and sad.These services are meant for the need y and it is a shame that it is being misused.Apart form charity I was particularly referring to relationships , where people take many things for granted, but do not even feel slightly happymor obliges to feel somehtign for the 'giver'.If you read Vandana's response you would,know what I am referring to.
@jaiho2009 (39142)
• Philippines
2 Jun 10
ohhh... Ok dear,when it comes to relationship,i can say,i am the giver. I don't make promises,but i give my best to fulfill compromises that i know i am obliged to do.
@vandana7 (98830)
• India
2 Jun 10
Hi Jaiho, I know this! We have a family friend whose daughter is married to a Canadian, and is working in Microsoft US, and son is also in Microsoft India. Stinking rich person, hesitates to give monies to workers, but when it comes to take some consultation or medication - he is off to Sai Baba temple where it is offered cheaply. He adds that he has worked in UN job. And he trusts the doctor there. :) Interesting folks!
@balasri (26537)
• India
2 Jun 10
I always tend to jump on fulfilling any request made by anyone and always try earnestly to fulfill them within my capacity. Though this tendency has put me on pins and restless many a times taking away my time I just cannot resist saying yes to anyone. I like to bring the sunshine in everyone’s abode I visit and I always make it a point that I am being loved by everyone. Well it is my habit. I have not counted my blessings ever. And also I do not want to. For me ‘Life is always beautiful’. I am a taker of love and affection and giver of the same. I don’t know whether I am good at giving or taking. And being a human I always wean away from the takers gently.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
3 Jun 10
Thanks a lot Kala.Your responses always show how sincerely you go through the discussions before responding.They always reflect your care and warmth.Thanks again for that. And I always remember this Kural when I deal with my enemy if ever there is one. And how beautifully Valluvar has put the words.It is simply amazing. "pagai natpaam kaalam varin muga nattu aga natpu oree vidal". When a situation demands you to be friendly with your enemy, don't show your enmity openly on your face. Conceal it. Talk to him facing him. But banish even the thoughts about him from your mind the moment he leaves.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
3 Jun 10
I feel that it would be disrespectful to Valluvar if I post a thumbs up sign. I can only surrender to that superior genius and bow my head.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
'There is as much pleasure in giving as in receiving' is a famous quote Bala. As far as affection goes, we give and get unconditionally among very close people.THat is the most beautiful bonding one can ever be fortunate to share.And this makes life all the more beautiful. We are all human. I think it is very smart of you to find out the 'taker's and wean away from them gently. I will always remember your" 'pagaivanukkum arulvai neje 'is a good policy, but be aware that it is a pagaivan'."
@derek_a (10874)
2 Jun 10
Yes, I have known people who seem to take more than they ever give and one thing interesting that struck me was that these people were rarely happy or satisfied. _Derek
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
Spot on Derek! You are Derek the therapist isn't it? Or is this another person?I do not remember the _a in your user name.But from your repsonse I thought you are the same.Or am I mistaken?
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
3 Jun 10
I thought as much from the response.Thanks for the participation.
@derek_a (10874)
3 Jun 10
Yes, I am a therapist although now I am semi-retired and only work via the Internet and not in face-to-face appointments with clients. My user-name has always been derek_a though. _Derek
@med889 (5941)
3 Jun 10
If I meet someone who is more the"taker" than "giver" I would obviously be taking my distance with him/her because I believe everyone should be acting in good faith and there should not be inferior or superior so I would be doing just as you said above, to preserver for myself.
@airakumar (1553)
• India
2 Jun 10
Hi Kalav, Yes, there are many who believe in give and take but in that many, I am one who believe to give without a hope of return. I give when I like someone and I love to do so. My father is also a great giver but never expected anything in return and he has taught us too to do the same. He often say that do not believe in returns and just do what you like. Give and take is the practice of compromise in society. I have followed this and most of time I have just given and didn't get returns.. still I am happy. Personally, I don't feel bad, I am very happy in my life for what I had and what I have. Thanks.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
Thanks for the response. As I said earlier, we must all get our peace in ways that suit us. SOemtimes, we get our peace only by 'giving' wihtout expecting . Not to expect some recognition calls for alot of equanimity of mind and if you are able to keep doing it despite evil words then it shows that you are on a philosophical plane.
@tomitomi (5429)
• Singapore
2 Jun 10
I know very well and appreciate and cherish how my dad had given a lot to us all. I'm trying to do the same by giving my possible best to my children too. I think all parents are great givers. And they take very little instead. But this concept of giving and taking is relative when you look outside beyond your doors. How much to give is not always as easy if not welcomed as how much to take. And when it comes to interacting with people who only take, then giving becomes more difficult.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
Exactly and thanks a lot for that response.Absolutely true. Parents are great givers and with outsiders giving becomes difficult if the person is only a 'taker' and can never feel happy or satisfied.
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
2 Jun 10
Hi Kala! I believe more in giving rather than taking. I would be happy to 'give', rather than accept. If someone willing return the favour, it is all the more good, if s/he does not, I won't mind. I think many of us feel that if they are 'giving' something, it should come back to them and when it does not they fret and fume and curse the other fellow.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
Welcome welcome dear friend! And I was extremely pleased to see your name as the first one to respond.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
I know what kind of a good person you are Deepak and you always do not mind giving more in any relationship.But I am talking of people who are totally selfish and can only think of themselves.As I had mentioned earlier I know some people like this. But whatever we do when we do it with clarity and no expectations then there is less hurt.My father was like this.
@vandana7 (98830)
• India
2 Jun 10
Hi babyface, how are you doing? :) Kala I know for sure, Deepu is a giver in a friendship, I dont know if he is a giver in relationship though. Deepu at times people expect others not to harm them or to be fair with them for the help given. I think that is not unreasonable.
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
2 Jun 10
'Give and take policy' is good. But that should be reciprocal. Although there are some generous people like your father who only feel pleasure to give. In return they want nothing. Those people who only take and in return give nothing they are mare selfish.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
3 Jun 10
Yes Bhanusb.My father was an exceptional very large hearted man.I have also written a tribute to him in AC. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1780712/a_tribute_to_my_father_kvasudevan.html?cat=37
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
3 Jun 10
Hi Kala, I read your tribute to your father K.Vasudevan. You are a proud daughter of a great man. We all should remember our parents.
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@bhanusb (5709)
• India
3 Jun 10
I read your tribute to your father K. Vasudevan. You are a proud daughter of a great man. We should remember our parents.
@bodhisatya (2384)
• India
2 Jun 10
Wow! Its a very unique topic to discuss. Although in our everyday life we may have realized it a lot of times but to put your thought into words is an altogether different thing. Yes, I have come across people who are onto both the sides of the equilibrium. Let me put an example here. There are two guys who are very close friends of mine. One of them is predominantly a "taker". He is yet to learn the art of sharing. But I think that life has taken a lot of things away from him. So I guess, being a taker doesn't prove to be a great deal in the long run. Then there is this other guy. he would happily share his belongings with others. I remember during a New year's eve we were on a motor bike away from home. When we were heading back it was around 5 in the morning. I was shievering due to cold. I was on a short cotton shirt. He readily gave me his Jacket and he was facing the cold. Life has been very fulfilling for him. He makes friends instantly and very easily becomes the crowd puller. It is something like the more you give the more you get, but some people are yet to realize it. Bodhi
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
It si true that the more we give the more we get.But thsi does not work all the time.Even in the instance you have shared bodisatya, you still remember him with fondness and recognition for his good deed.Imagine a hypothetical situation where the recipient says 'Oh! I was shivering. He is rather used to cold weather and that is why he gave me his shirt'How would that be? I would essentially call someone a 'taker' , a person who just expects everything, feels no pleasure whatsoever.[Derek had made a wonderful observation].
• India
2 Jun 10
Hmmm. I would say that he was more willing to give because I would have done the same thing for him. It doesn't take one day to be called great friends. Yes, maybe there are more takers than givers and although they are insensitive, they are never happy. Have every material things as one can have but one can never be truly happy if he doesn't have someone to share it with.
@vandana7 (98830)
• India
2 Jun 10
I am at a stage of life that I can take serious steps and should be taking as well. I banish such people out of my life, with irrefutable logics, in presence of others who would be gossiping behind their backs and behind mine as well. That - in my opinion - would make people wary of acting too smart with me, and those who've been selfish losing their credibility. I think nothing is wrong with self preservation. Please do not feel that is wrong. Those who try to say so or try to pacify you saying ignore and blah blah have also failed in ignoring and blah blah. :) Moreover, if you ignore the incident, these selfish people continue to take more, and when you reach an edge and can no longer take it, they feel something is wrong with you, you are stressed out or you suddenly get labeled bad. When the ultimate reward is only going to be that, why suffer the entire distance? :) If you become bad now, you will suffer it for short while and it will be forgotten. But future will be more peaceful. :) That is my policy now. :) And believe me, it has helped to calm things at my end. :)
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
wow! Whta a statement! And how true; people cannot accept change in patterns of behaviour.And you are talking the same lines of my husband.Logic, logic!.We all need our peace and self preservation is definitely needed.THese people mentioned you are the first in the list to qualify for 'selfpreservation'.. We are going to get a variety of responses here and I am looking forward to that.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
'when you reach an edge and can no longer take it, they feel something is wrong with you, you are stressed out or you suddenly get labeled bad'--this was the statement that provoked the 'wow' from me. In my hurry to post the response I forgot to paste it.
@allknowing (130064)
• India
2 Jun 10
Hi Kala. I am proud to be a giver and take pride in playing that role. Since it gives me immense joy to give I do not mind even if the person I am giving never returns the favour but, there is a big but here. I will not help those who are mean minded and think nothing of what I do for them. There are also those who support the one's who speak ill of me and encourage them, such people I will not even want to touch with a barge pole!!
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
I agree with you hundred percent and I was also like this allknowing.But now I am older and getting wiser and have also come across the kind of people mentioned by you.These are the ones that I was particularly referring to as 'takers'.THanks for the participation.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
Valid question. As I had mentioned in my discussion I try and transact less with them. Where I have to , I keep my mind peaceful with the thought that I am doing it for my own peace[ I may be unhappy if I do not 'give'too] and irrespective of the recipient being only a 'taker' I keep my optimism. But, I also reduce the intensity of 'giving'[if you see what I mean.]I try and define limits--but only 'try' allknowing--have a long way to go.
@allknowing (130064)
• India
2 Jun 10
Now that you are wiser how do you deal with the kind of people that I have mentioned?
@basqui (3888)
• Philippines
2 Jun 10
Every relationship should be balanced in order for it to work out. It's just like nature that has predators and preys, if there are no predators then the preys will populate a habitat and cause an imbalance, while when there will be no prey then the predators will die because they have no food. It's the same way in a relationship, let's say that giving is pulling and receiving or taking is pushing. If one is pulling too much then the other one tends to get away because he is pressured by the closeness between them while when someone is pushing too much then the other one will surely go out of sight.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Jun 10
I agree that there should be balnce in evry relationship and this is what is known as reciprocity. Here comes our'give and take policy'. But how do you say pulling and pushing?--
@basqui (3888)
• Philippines
2 Jun 10
Pulling towards you means giving too much and pushing means taking too much without giving back.
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• India
11 Jan 11
Hi kala I belong to the giver category mainly, i never expect any thing in return when i give, i agree there are many who just take, never ready to give, nothing to be worried or amazed, there are many types of people on this earth.. Thank you so much for sharing here. Professor ‘Bhuwan’. . God bless you. Welcome always.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Jan 11
Hullo Professor ! Nice to see your response though I am sure you will be on your way to Tirupathi today an d would not be seeing my comment. Hope you have a good time and it is also good to note thta you belong to the 'giver' category.
• India
2 Jun 10
Hello kalav, Life is based on Give and Take policy ! It only varies in degrees . A person may be a giver in certain situations but a taker somewhere else . It happens with most people. We all have these black, grey and white shades in our personalities.It also depends on one's realtionship and the past deeds of a person and we judge and act accordingly.It is also possible for an individual to change after a certain period of time due to outer influences or within oneself!He may become a giver from being a taker and vice versa !
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
4 Jun 10
What you say is true and it also shows hta you have a very honest but positive attitude to life.It is true that all of us would have all shades in us.And it does depend on a relationship.When I think of my father I feel I have been more of a "taker' from him, though I did serve him thorugh his last years.[I always would feel this with him because he had no expectations from me and gave me a lot] Thanks a lot for your response.
• India
8 Jun 10
I take that as a compliment kalav :)) You need not worry about your father because in my opinion a parent child relationship there is no barometer .But when I read some of the shocking details one gets to read or watch about the cruelties inflicted within that relationship , I feel distressed ! I can easily say that man is selfish and most of the time looks after his interests only! There are exceptions of course !
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
2 Jun 10
It is like walking a tightrope sometimes, isn't it. But I think the saying is true to some extent that those who give do receive, if like everything else in life, the giving is purposeful and not out of a feeling of obligation or guilt.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
3 Jun 10
It is definitely true drannh that GOd would take care of these givers. But it is also wise to assess the receiver and as JAIHO and Vandana pointed out, these 'takers' never know their limits.
@bjcyrix (6901)
• Philippines
2 Jan 11
Takers are not real friends or good citizens of the world. Its okay to be a taker once in a while or maybe even a lot as long as you have given twice what you intend to take. These kinds of people are just driven by greed, power, or some other kind of element that they want to have more than they actually deserve. So I say it is better to be a giver, because if you give, then you will receive. By genuinely giving and not giving with the intention of taking, the universe conspires so that it will give back to you what you have given it. You wouldnt even have to ask or wait. You will receive things when you need them the most. That's just what I think anyways.^_^
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
3 Jun 10
Hey kalav! You have to be careful in life of those that are only "takers"! Sometimes it takes time to even realize that this is what they are all about! Some of these kinds of people are extremely manipulative and will try to use whatever they can to try to fool you into believing that they are something they are not! You have to be able to pick out these type of people or they will "take you for whatever they can"! When I realize that this is what someone is interested in doing, I cut them loose as fast as I can!
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
4 Jun 10
That was such a great insight OPal.IN fact I read out your wise words to my husband and was discussing how people learn their lessons all over the world and how many of them are so similar. Thanks for that great response.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
3 Jun 10
Yes there are definitely ‘takers’ out there and I believe I have been involved with a couple of them! I avoid selfish people nowadays. My own parents are quite selfish which is ironic because as I was growing up my mother kept telling me I was the selfish one! I think the best way is a happy balance of giving and taking because as I discovered through painful relationship break ups, it is very noble to be always giving but there are times when it is okay to take and allow the other person to give; it is a lesson I had to learn that, just like many other parts of life, it is about balance. One of my good friends is the one taught me that is fine to ask for help every now and again and that it is okay to take that help too.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Jun 10
Sorry for the late comment Paula. My sisterinlaw also used to say this like your friend and she would never shoot ehr mouth or say incorrrect words to anyone.SHe believes in maintaining good camraderie with everyone .It is easier to receive or give help that way.
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• India
5 Jun 10
Kalav dear it requires two palms to make a clap, similar is the situation in every thing, one must give if any thing he/she needs to take back, only give or only take won't work,,,, Thanks for sharing. Welcome always. Cheers. Prof
@ohiocy (214)
• Malaysia
3 Jun 10
Well this someone is definitely in need of some give and take crash course. But I understand what you mean because I also have friends of such. When interacting with friends of such, I normally will judge the situation based on my preferences. Which means if I have the time and effort to entertain and to give then I would but if not then sorry to say but I wouldn't be able to as per requested. But the sad part is people like such always misunderstood such conditions and they would start to make assumptions that they are no longer cared for .. sheesh.. what a tough life..