No cussing at work
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
United States
August 10, 2010 9:19am CST
Today I came across an article No Cussing at Work (http://www.theworkbuzz.com/news/no-cussing-at-work-what-the-bleep/?lr=cbmsn&siteid=cbmsnhpBOB>1=23000 ) which outlined various reasons why we should keep our profanity under wraps at the work place. I have to agree that it is interesting that we as a society think it is permissable for some professions to use cuss words, while others such as educators should not use cuss words while on the job. It does appear to be the proverbial double standard.
What do you think about what the article brings up? Should employers be monitoring e-mails for profane language? Should employees be disciplined? What are your general thoughts on swearing?
Namaste-Anora
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@Ladyslipper (1327)
• Philippines
11 Aug 10
Hi Anora,
Good day to you. We have exactly the same policy in our company. We are not allowed to use profanity in the workplace because as per our Employee Handbook we have to maintain and observe professionalism at all times. We have the "our Zero Tolerance to Profanity" policy and there's a reminder almost everywhere in every corner of our office.
Being caught using profanity specially if the employee is to be escalated or complained by a workmate may lead to the employee's termination. It's considered a major offense. That's how strict our company is in implementing the said policy. It is understandable sine we are a financial institution and we handle Customer Service. It would not be nice if one of our Cardholders would here someone specially a Customer Service Account Manager putting another Cardholder on mute and then cursing/ swearing her/ him.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Lady Slipper-
Agreed that if it is company policy, than company policy must be followed. I'm assuming with a zero tolerence policy if one of your customer service reps slips (no matter where in the company he is as-break room, etc) that he is automatically terminated? I'm not sure how I feel without a due process.
Namaste-Anora
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
24 Aug 10
Ladyslipper-
Thanks so much for sharing your Due Process. I was hoping your company had one, as most do. It's very similar to what I've seen in my teaching field.
Namaste-Anora
@Ladyslipper (1327)
• Philippines
15 Aug 10
It does not mean once the employee was caught cussing at work she/ he gets automatically terminated. We have a due process for that. We have what we call progressive Disciplinary Action. Saying profanity is penalized by Termination. However, the immediate Supervisor should be able to furnish documents showing that the employee has been given lesser penalty before for the same offense. It's like this way:
* 1st Offense: Counseling
* 2nd Offense: Verbal Warning
* 3rd Offense: Written Warning
* 4th Offense: Dismissal
The employee will undergo an Administrative Hearing and during the hearing the Notice of Disciplinary Action served to the employee which she/ he has signed showing she/ he was given above penalties should be presented by the Management. After the Hearing the Operations Management together with the HR Management will serve the sanction or terminate the employee if that's the decision. Our company is still obliged to abide to our country's Labor Code. The company does not want to risk getting sued by an employee for termination without valid reason or due process. That's why we are very careful when it comes to terminating an employee.
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@jennyze (7027)
• Indonesia
11 Aug 10
I can't open the link. But I agree with you. We should not cuss anywhere. If we need to cuss, it is better doing it when we are alone. Cussing in front of others will only show our real character.
There are some people who change the cussing words - make it jovial. I think we can use it.

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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Jenny-
That's a good point. Some people use profane language with those they are friends with, yet not in the work place. However, if you are friends with someone in the work place and swear in the break room, would that be breaking company policy? It's a good question!
Namaste-Anora
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
10 Aug 10
It is not right to use cuss words anywhere. What has to be done is for notices to be posted "No Cussing or using foul language. We want our company to be known by our great reputation." or something like that prominently. Also there should be incentives for those employees who swore a lot and do not swear as much, like a free treat, etc.
i do not think they should monitor emails, but they should let them know that using the f-k word or whatever in correspondence either in paper or on the net damages the company's reputation.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
12 Aug 10
I believe that it is best to encourage people to do good by giving rewards and incentives. And it is just as good to keep one from swearing by having a cuss jar. I watched Rachel Ray one episode and there was an actress who swore alot (of course, they bleeped out the cuss words(, and every time she came out with a naughty rate, she had to put a penny in the cuss jar.
Might have worked better if she had to put in a hundred dollar bill, don't you think?


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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Suspenseful-
Great thoughts! I agree that incentives for employees who were once daily users of profanity and now are only the every so often should receive an incentive to keep it that way. As a teacher I had a cuss jar which I used as incentive. I also had a candy jar for students who met with those requirements.
Namaste-Anora
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
23 Aug 10
as long as they're not swearing in a business email,i don't see the big deal.
but then,they shouldn't be emailing friends at work all day either.
i do have to say i wish somebody reined in the construction crew on my street this week.they were dropping F-bombs all over right in front of a house with 8 kids!
i bet that mom came home to a few new verbal surprises this week..

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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
24 Aug 10
Scarlet-
It's been my experience that kids are going to pick up things even if we don't want them too! LOL I suppose some poor mom though who has never heard her child drop a cuss word got the startle of their life! However, that's the job of us as parents right, to set our children straight? A friend of mine from England recently reminded me to not coddle my children because if we teach them how to respond to said things they will make the right decisions.
Namaste-Anora
Namaste-Anora @dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
18 Aug 10
I certainly think it's appropriate to monitor business communications for this. It's a bit fuzzier as to whether businesses should monitor personal correspondence. They do have the right to monitor anything that's done on a company system, but I don't see the point in disciplining an employee who uses such language with a good friend, for example, as that would probably just hurt morale. Thing is, they could potentially open themselves to some kind of a lawsuit if the wrong thing went to the wrong person.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
24 Aug 10
Dawn-
I've often wondered that too. In a place I worked they had our every move tracked, so if I went on my own time after school hours to send an email from yahoo, they were able to track that and I'm not sure how that sort of advanced spying is legal. Who knows right? Thanks for stopping by.
Namaste-Anora
@celticeagle (189927)
• Boise, Idaho
11 Aug 10
I am a grandmother who at one time was helping my daughter bring up an impressionable seven year old boy. He for period of time did swear like a sailor and thought it was cool. This was when he was around 4 or 5. I also had a husband who worked as a carpenter and I could always tell when he had gone out with the guys after work because he would come home swearing. I don't care for swearing. I think that any professional office should be swear word free. It really bring down the mentality and professionalism of any given atmosphere. I agree and would back any institution that made it a steadfast rule. I don't care to hear it and I certainly do not want to be on the phone with the client and have other co-workers using vurgar language close by. Not good. I think that whatever materials leave a company in the way of emails should be checked. It is probably the property of the companie's anyway legally. And if the writer is a representative of the company then it is the right of the company to be asured that this person is representing the company to their liking.

@celticeagle (189927)
• Boise, Idaho
12 Aug 10
That was how it was at my last job. Anything we wrote was property of the company.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
CE-
Agreed that it seems more rampant in some industries than in others, but none the less does set the tone of the company. I'm not sure of the legalities of emails, but I assume too that they would be considered property of the company as well.
Namaste-Anora
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
12 Aug 10
At this moment I cant read the link due to slow connection. However, I feel employers don’t have a right to check emails for language…we all have some idea of what’s acceptable and what’s not and then few of us are stupid enough to actually put down such cuss words in writing (if not with very intimate friends)…so I feel it’s a lack of trust and confidence if employers are to check our mails for profanities.
Secondly, I don’t think its double-standard if we expect educators to be sober and labourers to cuss while at work…
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
12 Aug 10
Sudipta-
Interesting point of view. I suppose I'm so used to my emails in the teaching field being school property that I never thought about it, or questioned it. I'm not sure though about your comments on "double standards". Just because we know it exists that teachers are expected to be sober and laborors allowed to cuss, why does that not make it a double standard? It seems the very definition of a double standard.
Namaste-Anora
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
10 Aug 10
Hi Anora, I don't approve of profanity but maybe it has to do with my generation, after all I grew up without hearing it in movies or on television. It is a good discussion topic though because does anyone have the right tell another whether he/she can cuss or not? We can decide for our own home and perhaps a company can decide for their workers but I have a feeling that it might end up in court. Should employees who don't approve of cussing have to listen to such language at their workplace? As for monitoring e-mails, I think that may be going too far. Blessings.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Pose-
I suppose it may very well be "generational", though considering the F word dates back to the Victorian era, I find that difficult to fully be the blame. I will agree though that such language is far more accessible via our current technology, and such words have become second nature to us as a society.
I have to say, even though I'm trying to cut back and end my use all together, I have heard even teachers swear. However, you have a point about monitoring emails. I used to send my mom emails from work and soon found I had to be very careful what I spoke about, because even if I was using a secondary email, there were programs on our system that allowed the principal to know exactly what we we were doing. A bit much when I did it after hours.
Namaste-Anora
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
11 Aug 10
I think profanity has no place in the workplace or other public place. It is the last resort of those who are too lazy to use proper words or too ignorant to express themselves correctly. Before you think I'm uppity, I used to cuss worse than a sailor! My husband did so I did, too. After my divorce I broke the habit.
I hate to hear children using foul language and also grownups who should know better. It doesn't reflect well on the one cursing and sets a bad example for everyone. I think people should have enough self control to restrain themselves at work or other public places.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
12 Aug 10
Dragon-
It is definately sad when you see parents allowing their children to swear. We know our own children have used an inappropriate word because we used it, but if we hear it we stop them and explain to them why it is wrong, and why mommy and daddy should not be using them either. Now our oldest who is four tomorrow will stop us and say "That's not a nice word. You shouldn't use it". I also used the Bearenstein Bears episode where Sister bear says "Furball" as a teaching tool.
And I know how difficult it can be to break. I grew up in a house that swore, well my mother did at least, and I know that is exactly where I learned it. It was more simply a part of the speech that it has been years of conciously working not to say those words that were a part of my entire 18 years at home. However, on the job I have only ever slipped once and with all respect it was because the fire alarm went right off by my ear and we were not given prior notice to the drill. Luckily, I taught high school, and simply dropped my monies into my cuss bucket.
Namaste-Anora
Namaste-Anora @yugasini (12892)
• Secunderabad, India
11 Aug 10
Namaste Anora,
how are you till now i could not registered with the sites mentioned in your profile,each and every time we should not use profane language,i have not checked the answer for profane language,i think it is objectionable language in using mails,if it is objectionable,so any body should not use those language for any purpose and in any where,have a nice day
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Yugasani-
I'm not sure why people would use it in their every day work language, other then if something really want wrong or they hurt themselves.
Namaste-Anora
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@smartie0317 (1610)
• United States
11 Aug 10
I tried to open the website, but it wouldn't work for me.
Anyway, I don't think people should curse while at work in any profession, even if say it's just part time/temp work. You have to be professional at work. Also, if you curse at work, it might come across as you don't know how to control yourself and your temper. I'm a teacher and I don't think you should curse in front of children. It sets a bad example. On emails, I think you shouldn't use company computers for personal reason, nonwork reasons. It's wasting resources and money. While I never believed in doing so, now a days people are more strict about these policies and not wasting money.
Anyway, I don't think people should curse while at work in any profession, even if say it's just part time/temp work. You have to be professional at work. Also, if you curse at work, it might come across as you don't know how to control yourself and your temper. I'm a teacher and I don't think you should curse in front of children. It sets a bad example. On emails, I think you shouldn't use company computers for personal reason, nonwork reasons. It's wasting resources and money. While I never believed in doing so, now a days people are more strict about these policies and not wasting money.1 person likes this
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Smartie-
The article focused primarily on those who work on Wall-Street or in the Money Markets where F-bombs seem to be used like "air". It wasn't that they were doing personal business on company time, they were emailing one another Fbombs when stocks fell, etc.
I'm a teacher, and I agree it shouldn't be used, but I've heard it used in the past. I think at times some teachers (coaches) can have mouths as foul as sailors! Though, agreed, it should be saved for private moments.
I'm still not sure if I agree fully with a fire policy, but I do agree that in the presence of others we should put our best foot forward. Thanks for stopping by.
Namaste-Anore
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
12 Aug 10
While I really don't think that it is ever permissable to curse while you are at work, I can see some situations where there would be curse words that would come out of a professional person's mouth. Some examples that I could see it happening are mostly in the medical or rescue professions. I would see it happening whn a doctor or nurse loses a patient and I could also see it happening when a suspect gets away from the scene of a crime with the police.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
12 Aug 10
Dora-
That's a great point! I know that even I tend to think of construction workers or so when I think of those who drop the Fbomb at work. I never even thought about the possibility of the doctor doing so, and is anyone really going to fire him for doing so? Good point! Thanks for stopping by.
Namaste-Anora
@SilverKing (1003)
• Canada
10 Aug 10
I think that employers have the right to monitor the activity of their employees when it comes to emailing on company computers.They are supposed to represent the company and if they day bad things or talk bad about the company then it gives the company a bad image which is hard to remove.Random email checking for obscene content or swearing or non business related emails should be taken seriously and employees giving a warning a second warning then suspensions if it continues.
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Silver-
Well stated. Any new employee to a company would be wise to read through the company's handbook on day one.
Namaste-Anora
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@ptower76 (1616)
• United States
12 Aug 10
I think that if your on my payroll, you are representing me and my interest and I would want you to comport yourself in a manner that is enhancing my image so that you can receive compensation commensurate to your involvement in the enhancement of my image and the financial compensation that image inspires in my customers. If the job description calls for communication with clients through email and the employee uses profanity, it is the same as if the employee uses profanity face to face with the customer. Would you allow that to your customer? A body can swear all they want on their dime not on mine. I personally do not swear nor do i maintain much communication with those that swear habitually. Is an upbringing thing i think.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
24 Aug 10
ptower
I agree, it's all in how we grow up and what we are exposed. I personally swear, though I'm trying to break it. I'm a lot better than I was, but I grew up with it. I do not swear at work though, it's unprofessional if you ask me.
Thanks again for sharing.
Namaste-Anora
@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
30 Aug 10
Hello my friend Anora_Eldorath Ji,
I think, it is individual's choice and feeling with everyone , however, I wodisclose our First night talk, wit many other things, when topi of our language came, we decided not to use any slang words of any language, it was to practice, before attaining our parent-hood, else same will e copied by our children. We are proud tat our eldest child is almost 38 yrs and youngest on is 35 yrs, but tehy never use any slan words inside as well as outside in any form. I think there sould not be any room for such words. let's maintain that we are educated.
May God bless You and have a great time.
@purplealabaster (22085)
• United States
10 Aug 10
I can understand why people might be upset about this, especially if they have been working at a job that has allowed this type of behavior in the past. However, the bottom line is that everything that you do while "on the clock" is subject to monitoring and review by your employer. Some employers are more lenient than others, but it is not unrealistic to expect employees to remain professional while at the workplace or while performing their jobs outside of an office. How an employee behaves, especially in public while on the job, is a direct representation of his or her employer. It is always best to try to maintain a quality image for a company, but in these tough financial times where competition is even tougher, it is essential to "put your best foot forward" so to speak. Therefore, I do not think that a company choosing to prohibit profane language, either verbally or in written form, should really surprise anyone.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
11 Aug 10
Purple-
I agree, I'm not surprised. I think though it would be difficult as you mentioned to curb the habit once you've been allowed to do it for so long. Thanks for the comments.
Namaste-Anora
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