Science and Religion

Marikina, Philippines
September 3, 2010 3:30am CST
Adam and Eve are created by God. I have read on the internet that they were created by God 4,000 years ago, but I have also read that they are not only human who live during 4,000 years ago. They are human who lived before Adam and Eve. I think those people who have lots of knowledge about science said this and write it on the internet. Most religion does not agree with science. From the past, I have read that science is not allowed in the "catechism book". My religious mother told me that the bible and science can be combined as one, but for what I have observed, there are lots of debate about science and religion, and they are disagreeing to each other. Can both science and religion be combined as one?
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@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
3 Sep 10
There is no disharmony or contradiction between true religion and true science. The problem is between false religion and false science. Truth and truth go together but truth and lie or lie and lie have a problem.
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• Canada
3 Sep 10
There is no such thing as true religion. All religions are a lie, and therefore by your logic, will never be reconciled with religion.
• Canada
3 Sep 10
whoops, should finish as, *with science.
@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
4 Sep 10
Thanks for expressing your opinion as I expressed mine.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
3 Sep 10
I am going to assume when you say religion you are talking about a G♥d that created heaven and earth and man. Personally I hate that word, but that is me, so just letting you know I am answering this post with that in mind. And if you don't mind, I'll use G♥d in place of religion. Yes, G♥d and science can be the same because G♥d created science. If it is biology, He created man. If it is a science of the stars, He cerated them. Everything down the last last atom, He created. The problem is secular science, (not giving G♥d credit) tries to come up with how things came into existence. Where faith-filled science(Acknowledging G♥d) sees how everything was created by Him. Oh, and one more thing, Adam and Eve, were created 6,000 year ago, not 4,000. The earth itself is much older and your statement about other beings living here before Adam and Eve. I read a book on that, and I don't doubt it, but you can't tell any Christians this, even though it was backed up in the Bible. It's another problem with Christians think they know what they know and you can't tell them any different..
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• United States
4 Sep 10
Wow, I read this in my inbox, and I lost it when I saw your avatar.. So you know about this? You don't happen to know anything about Dakes do you? That is where I first heard about it. And back when I went to church, I started telling these ladies who looked at me like I was crazy..
• United States
4 Sep 10
Wow, yes exactly who I am talking about..I don't have his bible, but his "Gods Plan for Man" book and I was awe struck by some of his teachings..You are the first person since I started social networking that has heard of him.That is amazing...I found Dakes through a friend of my husbands who I am no longer in contact with..:( So this is so cool, to find another person, online or off that knows about Dakes..
• Canada
7 Sep 10
_soonernation_, where does the Bible talk about life before Adam and Eve? I think you may be getting Adam mixed up with Noah.
• United States
5 Sep 10
Of course they can. I always look at the beginning this way.G-d's day is Way longer than ours.He is an artist and He had ideas but He Had to start somewhere . He wanted humans on the earth but He had them evolve.The same with other plants and animals. So G-d Did create the Universe But it took So much longer than 6 24 hour periods.
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@Galena (9110)
3 Sep 10
well, the planet has definitely been around more than 4000 years. there's evidence that insect eating bats were around about 50 million years ago or more. I don't think that any creation mythos was ever intended to be taken as truth. more a tool to understand the universe. after all, no one was there when life began. so we'll never know.
@Galena (9110)
4 Sep 10
not just a million. several million. there are techniques that use scientifically observable natural laws that demonstrate this. nothing and no one is infallible, but there is a vast amount of evidence that the world is very very ancient. such as fossilised animals millions of years old. and then logic tells us, due to the remarkable evolutionary traits they display that it would have taken a very very long time to reach that form. nothing is infallible, but it's foolish to beleieve that the world is only a few thousand years old based on no evidence whatsoever when there is so much evidence that it is very much older. yes, there are so called scientists that will try to make evidence fit a theory, but that's not true science. I am a religious person myself. and I feel completely confident that the vast amount of evidence supporting the fact the planet is millions of years old is correct.
• Philippines
4 Sep 10
How can we be so sure that this planet is million-years-old? Are the scientists who proposed that theory infallible? Are they so perfect there is not any possibility they were wrong or no errors committed? If we people give doubt to Creation idea described in the Bible, why is it on the other side we don't give any doubt to these theories of "human scientists"?
@hanuma34 (819)
• India
3 Sep 10
Hello! There is no way science and religion be combined. Science tries unravel the nature. Where science reaches a level or point where its explorations and explanations end, at that point the religion steps in. You are right. Adam and Eve story is only a fantasy to make people take to religion and believe in it. Science has explained the evolution of humans. Only place where science does not venture is the origin of the so called religion/s. How and why the religion/s survived and humans keep faith in the adopted religion? The more humans learn the secrets of nature, the more there is to find. The desperation lends support to belief on supernatural, and all the stories in religion/s are woven to create credibility to such supernatural existence.
• Belgium
3 Sep 10
Actually, science has delved into that particular aspect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Religions
• Belgium
3 Sep 10
Oh, and a more extensive timeline can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_religion
• Canada
7 Sep 10
Particle physics is become very weird and very religious sounding. I've heard many who study it are turning to religion as a result. Science can look at the psychology and sociology of religions. Science can only study things with reasonably clear-cut cause and effect relationships. I know some things like genetics and particle physics have a statistical element where there are multiple possible outcomes with certain probabilities. With these science has to examine many examples to accurately measure the probabilities. If there are only a small number of cases, then there's a strong possibility that they don't reflect the actual odds. The point is that science can't really study miracles or anything else involving God or other supernatural beings, because they don't behave in a consistent way. However it has been proven that patients who are being prayed for tend to do better than ones who (as far as can be determined) aren't. I suspect that as science progresses, it will start to get to grips with the paranormal. However it has an awful tendency to ignore such things and not to investigate them properly. I think it's overly simplistic to dismiss Adam and Eve as fantasy - I plan on going into more details on that later in discussion if nobody else makes the same points.
@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
4 Sep 10
Do you believe everything you read on the internet? Who says they were created 4000 years ago? Where did they get this number? The Bible does not say when Adam and Eve were created. And from reading the Bible, we cannot figure out the time when Adam and Eve were created.
• Marikina, Philippines
7 Sep 10
...some "roman catholic" and some christian said it was 4,000 years ago. I don't know where did they get those number of years. I was searching on the internet because I was looking for the answer to my question about how Adan and Eve interpret in the bible, was it "symbolic interpretation" or "literal interpretation" when accidentally, I found a site telling that Adan and Eve created 4,000 years ago. Oh my gosh. I have to read all the comments here. I am busy researching and reading on the internet and again, it is all about science and religion that I have no time to log in here at myLot. I am addict about science than religion, but I have also faith in God and that is why I am hoping that science and religion will be as one. I am going to read all the comments here if I am not busy anymore. I like science.. ha ha ha.. have you watched "GII video" on youtube.com? I can't explain what I feel, but he explains every detail he knows about the religion. I like his video and he has a cute voice on the internet.. ha ha.. just kidding.
• Canada
8 Sep 10
People have tried to calculate when creation happened by adding up all the lives of all the people in the Bible's genealogies, presumably starting from something that can be accurately dated (not sure of the details). The accepted result is about 4000BC (perhaps you or somebody you got information from were confusing a BC date 4000 years ago). However the Biblical genealogies have gaps in them so this is a bit problematic.
@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
9 Sep 10
I don't think there is any sure way of calculating when Adam and Eve were created, so any number would just be a guess.
• United States
4 Sep 10
The definition of science is "originally, state or fact of knowing; knowledge, often as opposed to intuition, belief, etc." I can only speak for my own faith, but as a Christian I can assure you that we are not opposed to increasing in knowledge. The problem Christians have with some scientist is that they say there is no god and want that to be taught as a fact when they cannot prove it. Christians say that all of creation declares God's handiwork, that there has to have been intelligence behind creation. People perish for lack of knowledge, as it says in Hosea 4:6. God wants people to increase in knowledge, but He also wants them to be truthful and admit that this universe is too complex and too amazing to have begun with a spark with nothing there to put the universe in order. Not even Hawking's gravity has that much control.
@redhotpogo (4398)
• United States
8 Sep 10
The truth is that the bible does not give us that information. I've heard many people who claim that the Christian belief is that the earth is 4,000 to 6,000 years old. And yes many Christians do believe that, and fight scientist over the age of the earth. It's a waste of time, and a stupid argument. If you actually try to calculate time from the bible you will just end up confused. The only way to calculate time from the bible is going by the ages of people in the bible, and adding everything up. It's a long process. But some people are skipped, and so even that is not an accurate calculation of the earth's age. Also one major major factor that many of my fellow Christians leave out is the part in Genesis that says: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. The first day wasn't until light was created. Before that the Earth was without form. In other words it was a ball of gases, and dust. Who knows how long it was a ball of gas and dust before it was even formed into the giant ball that we live on today.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
5 Sep 10
You know my friend. If you read the bible, carefully and believe in it. Science, is existed then when Adam and eve, created. As God, made the earth and heaven that is science... When God, told the two human that they eat from their perspirations. Science, also is there. Because Man, created their first tool to farm and created home... As the bible, goes...science in their. Like the days, hour and many other things that people basis to predict and create technology....since at that time they can't call it science and or technology because as God, said there's a time that people have a great wisdom that is God, said. There is a time that chariot, speed like a speed of eagle that flew in the skies, that is called plane now... Have a great day!
@bird123 (10658)
• United States
4 Sep 10
Science and God go together nicely. Religion believing in God goes together nicely as well. The real problem is that everybody wants to rule the world. When the facts don't agree with so many they manufacture beliefs. Beliefs though are not always true do invite one to search for the real truth. Most all science starts with a belief just like religion. The only difference is that science must have the truth. Religions just want to hang onto beliefs.True knowledge must include to search for real truth correcting errors along the way. Science will correct for their errors. Have you ever heard of any religion say they are wrong then correct??? They either must be perfect or wrong. Do you really think they are perfect??? There are good people in religion that do get along with science. Religion will never combine with science until they value truth more than beliefs or believing.
@RobtheRock (2433)
• United States
5 Sep 10
IntrovertShy, science and religion were brothers at one time up to the Scientific Revolution. There was a time when the Church tried to use science to prove that God existed. Many atheists are sort of continuing the tradition but instead they say, "prove to me that God exists." For a while you had scientists like Galileo showing that earth was not the center of the universe as was church doctrine. Galileo was a faithful Catholic who was almost excommunicated and burnt at the stake for his beliefs. The church and science has been fighting ever since although science and religion are brothers. Look at Genesis and you'll see the Big Bang (Genesis 1:3). The church taught that the earth was the center. A dome, [The heavens and water (clouds)] on top, the earth in the center, and the water on the bottom (Genesis 1:7.) That's not what it says. Read Genesis 1:6,7. Look also at Genesis 1:2 and look at Revelation 19:6. This makes me wonder if this describes other earths as well. In other words, are we not part of the firmament of someone's else's world? My uncle believes that there are other beings. He always asks where did the women come from for Cain and Seth to marry. And also after Noah's sons left the ark, how did they multiply. Look at Genesis 6:2. Who are the sons of God? There are a lot of things the Bible doesn't tell us. So I doubt that 4,000 years means mankind has "only" been here that long. And be there angels, fallen angels or whatever, there are other beings out there -- and here.
@rappeter13 (8608)
• Romania
3 Sep 10
Religion and science are complementary, they can exist one beside the other. There are many scientists that are believers and they say that this things, like the creation couldn't happen without a force that guided this. If there are people that say that religion and science are combating each other, it is their opinion. But I believe that this are complementary, and the science tries to explain the work of God in the Creation and in our lives.
• Canada
3 Sep 10
No, they are not complementary at all. Saying that they are shows not only a lack of knowledge about science, but about religion as well. Any scientists who say a supernatural force was needed to start the universe are, quite simply, bad scientists. These scientists are not behaving like scientists, because they are not engaged in an honest inquiry into the nature of the universe. Science is the only domain in which we have developed a refined methodology for separating what a person hopes is true from what we have reason to believe. This is why religion and science can never be mixed.
• Philippines
4 Sep 10
i don't know if they can be combined. according to my friend science usually tries to replace God which is really impossible so i think it's quite impossible for them to be together.
• India
10 Sep 10
no i don't think they can be combined because there many things where science fails to describe about it and there are things where bible fails to describe about it. so i don't think can be combined.
• India
3 Sep 10
I think all religions have such type of mythical stories whose truth is always a debatable question. Most people nowadays know that the story of Adam and Eve can be allegorical at the best. Also, Adam and Eve could not have been the only people around at that time. If they were the only people, then whom did Cain marry? If he married his sister, then we all are because of that incestuous relation! If not, then there has to be other tribes around whose daughter Cain married. Also note that the Abrahamic religions deal with only a particular section of people in Middle East Asia…there were certainly people inhabiting other parts of the world during those times or even before that.
@Lore2009 (7378)
• United States
3 Sep 10
I don't think science and religion can be combined as one. Well, unless you can consider a religion as the human psychology/sociology... which are both sciences. Or if you make science a religion.
• Philippines
3 Sep 10
Before science discovered that earth was rounded or spherical in shape, the bible already told about it at the book of Job. The proverbs taught also the values of being clean or washing of hands. A way of living can be seen at the pages of the bible. Some true scientist, seeing the order in the universe believes that there is a higher form of energy that keeps these things in order. Thus, they believe that there is God. And if one would read the bible thoroughly, one would read that science is not always in conflict with the contents of the bible.
• India
4 Sep 10
When you are reading the bible read it with religious point of view and when you are reading science see everything with scientific point of view. Do not try to mix both. Author of book of genesis had not written everything there to explain science. He was trying to tell us about God's plan for us and that is more important. When God created this world and Adam and EVE is not important at all. He created them and then how he propagated his creation is more important than anything else.
• Mexico
4 Sep 10
Well i think we all have wondered this at last once in our life's, I would say YES but only in a few matters, also not so long ago The Catholic Religion admitted that it is possible that there could be life in other planets and believing in aliens is no longer against this Religion!
@chayapathys (2111)
• India
3 Sep 10
Religion and two different aspects of human life. While religion is mostly inner touching the mind science on the other hand is external concerning outer aspect of humkan life. There is no conflict between the two.Philosphy which is part of religion begins where science ends.Science does not believe in existence of God but religion believese. The best course for peceful existence of human beings is combination of both.