Standing firm to unknown knowledge

One Hand Speaks To The Other - Can One Hand Speak To The Other Without Being Killed!
United States
January 17, 2011 3:21pm CST
How often do you fight/argue and stand firm with information you absolutely have no knowledge with? Saturday, I was experiencing one of my unexplained headaches. If I don't take care of them right away migraine kicks in, so I have to have Excedrin on hand at all times. I was out, and my car was not available. So I quickly ran to my neighborhood small store. I asked the male cashier; he said sorry we don't. I asked anything with Aspirin. He immediately said Excedrin does not have Aspirin. At this point I was nearing tears as my head was pounding . I quickly looked over what was on hand and he insisted, "Excedrin does not have aspirin and I should know as I am allergic. Normally I would chew someone's head off and I simply sort of smiled. The customer behind me yelled out. Are you nuts or what, so they both went into this big fight as the cashier continued to insist Excedrin did not have Aspirin. My head was pounding so I immediately said nicely could you ring up purchases and you two kill each other after I leave. Okay here it is; Now do not go into debate that Excedrin does not contain Aspirin as I am staring at my bottle of Excedrin now! It contains Acetaminophen, Aspirin and Codeine. And I know that well, have been taking it daily and for years. I am just wondering how many times do you risk being hurt because you are too foolish to let it go and or accept that you are wrong? hmmm will be interesting to know.
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@mythociate (21437)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
17 Jan 11
I am NEVER wrong! lol I just sometimes ask the wrong people (kind of a passive kind of Catholic---instead of 'deny-deny-deny,' it's 'blame-blame-blame!')
@dainy1313 (2370)
• Leon, Mexico
18 Jan 11
I just try to ignore all that weird-wise people.
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• United States
18 Jan 11
@dainy1313, very wise decision as we never know who will go all postal and shoot all innocent. Sometimes we simply need to take a step back and not be so high strung. I see you are new to myLot, I would like to extend to you a very warm welcome. I do wish you a successful membership with the myLot community.
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• United States
17 Jan 11
Trouble is that no one was asking.. , I never deny, deny deny or blame, blame, blame I just put forth a discussion to see how others normally react to situations like that. Amazing though how some people risk their lives just to prove they are right. Too sad.
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@trader22 (232)
• Jamaica
17 Jan 11
I had to deal with people like that before. I have learnt that its best not to change their mind because someone choose to remain ignorant. So i have learnt to ignore and move on.
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• United States
17 Jan 11
@trader, you are right life as we know it teaches us that we cannot control the way the world behaves and thinks. But we can certainly make choices. @mythociate. LOL, I remember that episode and yes it depicts the exactly how I felt with the store clerk, I was like okay, so ring me up and I was out.
@mythociate (21437)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
17 Jan 11
kinda like that guy on "FRIENDS" who had spent a long time in the mountains, and--listening to Rachel complaining--just looked at her, said "Okay," and shut the door.
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@trader22 (232)
• Jamaica
18 Jan 11
And when you do that at the end of the day you feel happy. When people are complaining i just stare and try to smile.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
17 Jan 11
Wow, all I can say is, I hope the cashier doesn't take Excedrin for a headache anytime soon...And of course how sorry I am that you suffer from migraines. I don't, but my daughter does and there has been times I felt so helpless in trying to make her feel better; migraines are awful..
• United States
17 Jan 11
Since he said he was allergic, I wonder if because he is unaware that it contains it perhaps his side effect is rage. Having Migraines is the only thing in life that can put me out of commission. I have to have a load of Excedrin on hand often as when the simple headache comes on and if I do not take it, I am done for the day and sometimes two. I have had numerous testing with no explanation. Sorry to hear about your daughter's migraines as I know exactly how she feels.
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@GardenGerty (157486)
• United States
17 Jan 11
One thing that does help reduce or eliminate migraines is taking magnesium supplements. You need it anyway to use the calcium that is in your diet to make your bones strong. It also helps reduce or eliminate muscle spasms in your legs.
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• United States
17 Jan 11
Yep, I bet that was it, he was overdosing on Excedrin.. And thanks hardworkinggurl, though I don't know the pain you get, I know how your friends and family feels.:( Gerty, I think I heard this, I'll have to tell my daughter..
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Ok that is just plain dumb.. lol! I know Excedrin has aspirin in it.. I do want to point out that it has caffeine, not codeine - codeine is controlled and in tylenol3 lol. Anyway, I would have ignored their little spat and gotten my excedrin and gone on with my day. It is pretty much free entertainment to watch people argue over things. If I know I'm right about something, I don't really care who believes me or agrees with me, as long as I get what I wanted and can get away from the people causing the drama.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Very welcome I enjoy your discussions here at mylot lol. People do a lot of strange things in public, I recall being at a Target once with my daughter and I happened to walk past an aisle where a woman bumped into another woman's cart. She reacted violently to the 'bump' and started screaming for her boyfriend, and while I am quietly pushing my cart away as quickly as possible, I can see the one boyfriend beginning to threaten the other boyfriend - all because one of the girls accidentally bumped her cart into the other one LOL! I could still hear them yelling and cussing from the other side of Target!
• United States
18 Jan 11
I have to say it has been quite fun mommyboo interacting with you today. How crazy to be so upset about bumping a cart. LOL.. Not like her toe and or heel were pinched. Ahahaha... Some people really have no sense and I see a great deal of that at Walmart.
• United States
18 Jan 11
I read my discussion twice before submitting then I noticed that codeine was listed as Caffeine, so I uploaded a picture of the Excedrin. LOL.. Good thing I did not stand around and argue that with the store clerk. But yes absolutely it was so dumb and silly that the clerk, and being the son of the owner, had no brains to think that his behavior was so negative. As I walked away I could see them lifting fists, wow all that for aspirin, LOL.. Yes I too with stand firm when I believe I am right but certainly know when to stop, especially while my head was pounding. Last thing I needed to do at the moment was stand their and be witness to silliness. Thanks so much for responding.
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19 Jan 11
i dont argue about anything i know nothing about, whats the point as i would never win.
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• United States
19 Jan 11
LOL titchy, that is what I would feel also, as what is the point after someone gets hurt, perhaps regrets and lament about recalling what the argument was about.
• United States
19 Jan 11
Absolutely as when the person finds out later they were wrong surely they have feel and look like cr@p.
19 Jan 11
how can you argue about something you know nothing about as you having got a chance of winning it.
• United States
17 Jan 11
Incredible, I can't believe that the cashier was so ignorant, he is the freakin cashier he's not a pharmacist. What does he care what excederin contains. I know for a fact that excederin contains asprin, because my doctor prescribed that to me a while back. I can't believe that people can be so obnoxious and getting in a fight over a petty thing like asprin. If excederin is what you are asking for why does he even have to question it.
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• United States
17 Jan 11
LOL, I can't begin to tell you that I can laugh so hard now, at the moment my head was pounding so I was not in the mood for humor and or arguments. But I think about why are people so high strung on certain things that perhaps are irrelevant. I am with you my mind kept saying okay if I wanted pharmaceutical advice I would have gone to Walgreens, and all I want is Excedrin, but since they did not carry it there was not point to carry a debate as I could not figure out what the prize would be..
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@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
28 Feb 11
Interesting ... I had no idea Excederin contains what you just put down as the ingredients. That now explains why I cannot take it, and hope your headaches are better. Have they ever figured out for you what causes them? I know headaches that hurt like this and turn into migraines are NO FUN. To have the cashier acting like this while having you waiting in line was not a good thing for sure.
• United States
28 Feb 11
Interesting no, I have gone through so many tests and all come up negative. There isn't a single day I do not get a head ache. It completely consumes my life. Yeah the cashier was so foolish to behave that way but it looks like the owner who is the father does not allow him to work at the store any longer. Thankful!
@GardenGerty (157486)
• United States
17 Jan 11
Hey, your head is maybe still hurting,as Excedrin has aspirin, acetaminophen and caffeine, not codeine which is prescription. You are right, that particular combination is better than almost anything else. I tend to refuse to argue with people like the store clerk, and I have had people say things just as stupid to me. "I should know because I am allergic" LOL ( I can tell you are sharp because I am a music major) By the way, there are store brands available that call themselves "headache relief" and "back pain relief" and product for the relief of "lady problems" that also is the same combo. When I am out, though, I will take one aspirin, one acetaminophen and drink a cup of coffee. Store clerks need to go back to school to re learn that "the customer is always right" I think in some circles his bull headedness could have gotten him hurt.
@GardenGerty (157486)
• United States
17 Jan 11
When you take something for pain on a daily basis it often becomes rebound pain. It comes back because the stuff is wearing off. Maybe plain caffeine would fix it for you. It is not right to have a headache every day. I hope you do better.
• United States
17 Jan 11
LOL GG, as you and I know it with the S shopping customer service sure is lacking on many levels. I will remember you mentioned combination, yesterday I picked up two bottles. But I am going to take a look at my supply here and see if I have this combination. If I do not I am going Grocery shopping on Saturday, so I am going to make sure I stock up with those also. I get unexplained headaches every single day, there is not a day I do not get headaches, and this is going on for years. So I better get sharper and have my supplies on hand. Thanks for the advice as years ago, before I was introduced to Excedrin, I remember taking a Motrin and coffee and it helps..hmmm.. I am always open to listening and learning.
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• United States
17 Jan 11
Thanks GG, I will try that also as I am a decaf drinker and maybe I need to add caffeinated coffee a bit. Oh LOL, although I read my discussion twice before I entered it I did not notice I listed codeine as you are right it is caffeine. Good thing I too was not debating like the store clerk. LOL
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
18 Jan 11
What did he think it had guess you take the bottle to him and show him huh?
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
18 Jan 11
take it with you next time you go there then show the smarty lolololol
• United States
18 Jan 11
It is funny and sad that people go through great lengths to prove a point. If I was not so sick with my migraine I would have ran back and shown him.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
28 Feb 11
If I don't know things that are complete fact I will not argue it. The only time I will argue about something like that is if I know for a fact and with out a reasonable doubt that I am correct. If someone needs to argue with me about it I will just say what ever, it is not worth arguing over to me. The cashier should have just got you what you needed and not argued with you.
• United States
28 Feb 11
You are so right and this cashier was the owners son, so not a very good example for the owners neighbor store, as it is the only one in the area. My boyfriend and I both spoke to the owner as we have frequent the store for almost six years now and the owner apologized. I have since been to the store several times since and have not seen the son there any longer so I suppose it got serious enough where he has a different employee there now. Rightly so as this is the owners livelihood and he should be holding a respectable atmosphere for the customers. Thanks for responding.
@mentalward (14691)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Well, I don't like arguing at all so I will not stand firm on something I honestly do not know about. I'll back down and go do some research. As for Excedrin, uhh, it doesn't contain codeine, it's caffeine. I'm thinking that was just a typo or brain fart. I've known what Excedrin contains for a long time now (decades) because that is the ONLY medication that will entirely wipe out a headache for me. I get headaches like you do. If I don't take something (Excedrin) when they first begin, they turn into full-fledged migraines and then I need to take one of my prescription migraine meds or it will not go away or even ease up some. Excedrin seems to be the perfect combination to really wipe out headaches. By the way, they put caffeine in it because that helps the aspirin and ascetominophen to get into our bloodstream faster. A doctor explained that to me.
@mentalward (14691)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Oops, I mean acetominophen.
@mentalward (14691)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Ah, kee-rapp! I'll get it right yet! Acetaminophen!
• United States
18 Jan 11
Oh yes, even though I re-read my discussion twice before I hit enter I did not notice that I did list that instead of Codeine instead of Caffeine, which by the way I uploaded a picture and correction on the first page and explained as I debated to delete the discussion but there were so many fast responses, so I figured I did not want to have other loose their efforts. Oh so sorry that you can relate to my years of headaches and migraines as you know exactly how bad they get. I have gone to so many specialists and had so many CT scans and other testing and to date no one can figure out why the onsets. But thankfully for Excedrin it is the only thing that helps. For me if I do not take it at first signs I suffer consequences of migraines for days. It truly amazed me to see the store clerk so strong hung on this while the customer fought back. I figured who cares who is right and or wrong, I needed to rush home and get to bed. I looked through the glass as I left and saw fists up in the air, and immediately thought wow some people just do not know when to leave things alone.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
18 Jan 11
oh I know what you mean. and you are so right. I take extra strength Excedrin because its all that helps my arthritis pains. when i was sick with my stomach tho, my son said, mom, you are killing your stomach with this. it has aspirin in it and you take one every day when you get up. you should lay off it till your stomach gets better. he was right. aspirin not good on sick stomach. it was terrible. but last couple days, ive went back since my stomachs better. oh what relief, once it takes hold in the morning btw, son used to be a medical student.
• United States
18 Jan 11
Congrats mom on having a medical student in the family. I so worry about taking so much Excedrin daily and have been for years, as I know I have seen news articles about how too much can ruin the lining in the stomach. But to date no doctor has been able to determine what is actually wrong and why I get daily headaches. I have gone through all the known OTC pain relievers and none help, Excedrin, and I kids you not that after 5 minutes I get relief. I am trying to find some other form of homeopathic method which does not involve medicating as it does worry me. But to date there is not a day I do not get a headache. I may wake up with one or 1 hour after awaking the onset starts. It is so miserable to be in such pain daily. Take care of yourself as I recently interacted that you have not been well for a bit. Hope you do feel better soon.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
18 Jan 11
iam much better today. and so glad i can go back to my excedrin. like you, i worry, but what can you do? nothing until they find something as good. ive worried i might be addicted to it, cause i have to have it to stop hurting.
• United States
18 Jan 11
My boyfriend says I am an Excedrin Junkie.. LOL, then he says hon, you have to do what ever it takes to relieve the pain. I do fret at times, that maybe I could be addicted by the pain, gosh it is so bad and I have tried to bear with nothing to see what happens, it then becomes a horrid nightmare. Glad you are feeling better bunny.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
20 Jan 11
You know I really hate it when you encounter a person that thinks they know everything. Sometimes it really takes everything that I have in me to keep from getting into an argument with someone that thinks that they know it all. That said, there are a lot of times that I will end up walking away from a conversation with someone because I know that I'm right and they aren't and I don't want to end up in an argument.
• United States
20 Jan 11
I know exactly what you mean, as he was lucky I had a horrible migraine as my blood was boiling by his actions and I would have clung on to his ignorance. When I saw the other customer go all psycho I thought, oh got to go.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
18 Jan 11
Hi GF, I am foolish and wrong almost most of the times and I accept that on several occasions... Times when I dont accept is when the approach to tell me I was wrong or Being Foolish is unacceptable to me... That is a high ego I know but I will not tolerate anyone forcing me in front of the mirror the wrong way just because s/he can. And yes, I learn fast and quick so I learn from my mistakes and avoid repeating myself as long as I can. Ok, so now I know what has kept my GF awake.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
18 Jan 11
Oh a suggestion - please go for a scan or something to have a better insight a thought : is it stress or some issue that is bothering you more
• United States
18 Jan 11
I have had a few CT Scans and all come back negative. I have been going through this as a child, only it has worsen more as an adult and nothing but the Excedrin alleviates. It definitely has to do with a great many of stress and issues I have as I do awake out of bed with a headache and or it starts about an hour after being awake. It is really painful at times, but mostly achy and bothersome.
• United States
18 Jan 11
Hi thesids, Yes my headaches are persisting way too much these days, unexplainable by many doctors, they are bringing on insomnia and am not in sync as how to be rid of it. I do agree with you that I too make several mistakes in my life but certainly am not an intentional repeater, I figure at most that why is more important, my sanity, safety or proving someone wrong. Sometimes I simply do not get it.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
18 Jan 11
Unless I know for sure what I am talking about I will not stand a case Specially not when I know someone is in Pain, the case should have been that he got you sorted and then he could have argued over something that he does not know anything about I will only stand my Ground if I know what I am talking about and I know I am right I hope you are better now Sweetie Hugs
• United States
18 Jan 11
It does amaze me as some people get so high strung. Although I was ready to tear from the pain and the light bugging my eyes, I was not about to get in the middle of their mess. Foolish him to believe he was right, and his prize was the customers fist. Maybe he should learn to ring up the customers and zip his mouth a bit. LOL.. Thanks for the well wishes, it has turned into a nagging headache but the migraine is gone for a little while as it is so repetitive. Glad to have read you are feeling a bit better. I have you and Gissi, mum and children in my prayers.
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Codeine... now that is funny! lol I bet you just want to take that bottle back and show that cashier, don't you?! Things like that really irk me too. It was bad enough that you had a migraine and then to have to deal with his arguing with you about something like that. What a day you had. Poor thing. I sure hope you feel better now. Take care.
• United States
18 Jan 11
I am very tempted but what if he goes all postal on me. He was truly ignorant and certainly has no customer service skills. Thanks my head is much better, it is a repetitive issue that has gone unexplained for years. Thanks so much for asking.
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
18 Jan 11
There have been a few times when pride has taken me to arguments wherein I don't have any business in the first place. I remember an episode with a former micro-manager-of-a-boss inisisting that I didn't know everything about a project I was working on. I kept arguing and declaring that in fact I did(even though I didn't), just to prove him wrong and prove that I knew more than him.
• United States
18 Jan 11
Certainly understandable for us to stand up for what is right, however we also have the commonsense not to fist with customers and or anyone over a petty item like this as this basically proves that one day he will be really hurt by someone yet more high strung then he.
• India
18 Jan 11
I once read a famous book by Jerome K Jerome. In this book the author starts reading medical books just to pass the time. Every single disease that he read about, he found striking similarities. As he went on things turned more serious and the only disease he discovered he didn't have was Housemaid's knee. He went straight to his doctor friend and told him everything. The doctor prescribed, "Don't stuff your heads with things that you don't understand." What the author had is popularly known as medical student's symptoms. This is quite natural. When I started studying psychology I was quite confirmed that I have at least a few of the diseases mentioned in the book. However, learning too much in a half-hearted way sometimes does you more bad than good. We start reading a subject, but we don't want to learn in depth. This insincerity sometimes puzzle our minds. But sometimes people do resist knowledge fearing that digging too much will only reveal unpleasant facts. This is why sometimes elders in the house conceal all about their health problems. They continue hiding it from the rest of us till it reaches a very critical stage.
• United States
18 Jan 11
So true biswa, This discussion was prompted in my mind, surely due to the incident at the store, but more so because I see it offline, but here on a daily basis, where as a great many members start discussions with a bit of surface knowledge of a daily event, and it is okay for them to have opinions but then when confronted by true facts place by other members the originator of the discussion is way over their head at times. I have seen how nasty it gets, I must admit it makes for great entertainment, but in reality it puzzles me to think that no one place differs as sometimes we do have to take a step back no matter how right we are as, when I left the store I glanced through the window and saw the two with fists up in the air and all I could think about was now how crazy is that.
@devijay78 (1573)
• India
18 Jan 11
Oh god! Such a difficult and exasperating situation to be in. I usually do not open my big mouth if I do not know anything about what is being discussed. And even accept sometimes that I do not know anything about what they are talking about and sorry, I cannot participate in their debate. But sometimes, when I argue with my husband about something and am very certain that I am correct and later find out that I was wrong, I immediately tell him that I am sorry and that he was right. I find it difficult to apologise but I do it all the same. And hope you are feeling better now.
• United States
18 Jan 11
I have been guilty myself of doing such and do feel awfully bad after realizing my mistake, I quickly understood the cashier was completely wrong but having such a pounding headache I was not about to aggravate it yet more. As soon as I noticed the debate begin this is when I nicely said if he could finish my order as I thought that might divert the situation. But the cashier was so head strong he continued as I walked away. I saw from the outside that the fists raised and I though Geez now how crazy is all that. LOL
@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
18 Jan 11
So glad that I do not have migraine, otherwise it's a situation where you get a head ache because of a head ache . I usually ask somebody to do things for me when I'm not feeling well because I could get dangerous hehe.. no because I always insist on what I know or perceive to know, especially here where they put young and inexperienced people over the counter, I can understand their situation very well, in fact I'm very sympathetic to this people who need the job and the money to support their family, it's just I'm not that tolerant when I'm not feeling well.
• United States
18 Jan 11
I can agree to that and this is why I sort of smiled, as I was not about to make him feel bad as I knew he was wrong. However, he is the owners son, and certainly not a great impression to all the customers waiting in line. Maybe he has been pushed to hard in the past that the smallest things seem to irritate him. I know his father and know he would not be pleased but I suppose the father is okay with his son's actions as he has him working there. I sure hope though that no one was hurt as I glanced through the store glass and saw fists lifting.