The more sons you bear,the more happiness you receive?

China
February 20, 2011 1:22am CST
There's a Chinese proverb saying:The more sons you bear,the more happiness you receive.Is that true in the life? In my neibourhood,there's a 79-year-old man,he has 6 sons and a daughter.After her mother's death,the eldest daughter died in a train accident 30 years ago.Luckily his 6 sons safely grew up,got married and had children. By now,each of his sons has had their own new buildings,but the old man's lived alone in his messy,short and small house cooking every meal for himself.He'd raised a group of old ducks laying eggs to get money till 2 years before;He goes out washing his clothes by himself;Each time when he feels ill,I can see that he goes to the doctor himself;What's more,he still has to stay alone celebrating all the great traditional festivals! What do you think about that?
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21 responses
• United States
22 Feb 11
I think it is sad. Unless he was a pain in the a$$ type of father and the sons were happy to leave hone , He Does not deserve this. A family Should remain close. When it doesn't , it is sad.
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• United States
23 Feb 11
Yes he could be. It is sad.
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• China
23 Feb 11
As parents,they must have cultivated close relationship in the family,or they would not get deserved respect.Maybe the old man is suffering that.
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@nana813 (11)
• China
23 Feb 11
honestly, i am hurt by seeing this phenomena. but i know clearly that it do exsist in China. in China, we think that parents have to raise the child, and in return, the child should take care of their parents when they are old. however, in western, parents do not like to be taken care by their children. they want to be dependent.
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• China
23 Feb 11
You can have your opinion.And now,more and more old people can buy their insurance to support themselves,but as their children,giving the parents more care is our duties.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
20 Feb 11
I do not agree with this old ways of thinking. What is the point of having sons when they are queen controlled and can't contribute to the welfare of their parents. I have five brothers and 4 sisters. When my father was hospitalized in hospital, none of my brothers keep vigil at his bedside until the last hour of his days on earth. They only come to pay a short visit to see him in the hospital while we daughters took turn to take care of him 24/7 without fail. My mom is quite fair to all her children but dad was pro his sons. How I wished he lived to see his sons ungrateful and irresponsible attitude towards him at his deathbed.
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• China
20 Feb 11
I don't agree,either.As the sons and daughters,we must be good to the parents and never shirk our responsibilities,though the parents were not fair to us.On the other hand,parents must be good at getting along well with their children,or what they have done is really in vain!Right?
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
21 Feb 11
Oldsix691418, Not being a cynic here. Today, I really cannot agree with this old Chinese proverb but I am sure a great majority will agree with me that the making of kids would probably be the most pleasurable part. It is the arrival and whatever that follows that is painstakingly excruciating. Parenting is indeed challenging and when they are all fully independent, they leave their aged parents like this neighbor of yours to fend by himself. So, you can see why couples today are so discouraged from having children. Out of interest, I believe your country is outlawing children who fail in their filial duties where abandoned parents like your neighbor could sue their ungrateful/insensitive child or children for maintenance or old age care. After reading this, I could not help feeling the sense of timing for this law to be introduced. What do you think?
• Singapore
25 Feb 11
Oldsix691418, I must add that whatever the old man's children have done is beyond ungrateful and really against any principle. I do not see being strict has anything to blame or be the reason for their inappropriate behavior of neglecting their father. Besides, they should really look themselves in the mirror how they have turned out and what they are teaching their own children about filial piety and abandon their aged parents. Also, what's so difficult with spending a few days of one's holiday with a parent OnCe a year?
• China
24 Feb 11
What the sons of the old man are doing is rather ungrateful,I think.But they are not entirely to blame for that.The old man was too strict with them in some way when they were young or he really doesn't want too much from his sons.
@dainy1313 (2370)
• Leon, Mexico
23 Feb 11
Hi Oldsix! This is very sad, and this is not fair, for him. I wish I could talk to some of his sons... it´s not fair for him. However, he is, however he was... it´s not fair. =( Blessings!... Dainy
@dainy1313 (2370)
• Leon, Mexico
24 Feb 11
And they may not forgive something =( ... I´ll pray for him! Kind blessings!... Dainy
• China
23 Feb 11
I know that's not fair for the old man,but maybe it's the old man himself who made the unfairness.Of course that his sons have lack of filialness or shirk their responsibilities cannot be advocated.
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@Sanitary (3968)
• Singapore
23 Feb 11
It's not necessarily true. One can have many sons or daughters but it does not make any difference to being childless if they are not filial or don't care about us at all. No matter how many children one has, they are all numbers, and that's all. Happiness comes from how our children treat us, and as long as there's one who treats us good, it's good enough.
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• China
23 Feb 11
You are right.It's not important to have many sons,it's the most important to teach children to be filial and responsible,or parents never get happiness when they are old.
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@rsa101 (37968)
• Philippines
21 Feb 11
Well it all depends on how you treat each of your children. I guess when children did experience good relationship with their fathers they would always take good care of their father when they grow old. I think there is something wrong with the way the children were brought up by the father that is why he is not taken good care of the children. I do not think that proverb is really that accurate at all since you can bear one son and let him grow responsibly and he could be happy being with one child.
• China
23 Feb 11
Nowadays the proverb isn't accepted by most of Chinese,for the childen have to support 4 elders as well as their own child after they get married. The old man sometimes was too cruel with his sons.At a time I saw him hit his son with a bamboo bar when I was young...
@dreamy1 (3811)
• United States
21 Feb 11
There's no guarantee if you have children they will take care of you. I don't know this person's story maybe he was a bad or abusive father to his children and that's why they stay away.
• China
23 Feb 11
I don't know why,either.But the other things that I know is,the old man never let his sons touch gambling unless he doesn't know,he's very strict with them in this side.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
21 Feb 11
Is that why the chinese are so obsessed with male children that they murder the female children? I do not think it is true at all. It is simply the product of a society that regards females as less than men. So many cultures do it. As a woman I have never understood why. People in both China and India are murdering female children because they only want sons. Now the sons are finding there are no girls to marry. Well at least it will reduce the population. If there are no girls then we all die out.
• China
23 Feb 11
I admit that's the reason in the past,but now it's not so serious.According to the child bearing policies,a couple can has only one child,the child has to support 4 old people and his or her child when he or she grows up and gets married,that's a heavy burden.So a son or a daughter is the same to the parents now.
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
20 Feb 11
I think it is sad that the children have decided to ignore their father. It seems to be the way of modern society these days no matter where you go. It is a good thing that he is still able to take care of himself, but that won't last forever. I would hope that one of the kids would check up on him at some point and possibly take him into their home. I know I didn't spend enough time with my parents and grandparents when I had the chance and now it is too late. Thanks for sharing!
• China
23 Feb 11
I hope the old man's conditions will be better later,for his sons will turn old some day,gradually they can be aware what their father's suffering.Take care!
@Lore2009 (7378)
• United States
20 Feb 11
I don't agree with the saying. Maybe if it said children then it can be true, but that's not always the case either. It depends on the individual like your old friend there. Some people can have a lot of son who end up killing them, some can have a lot of daughters who make them happy, depends.
• China
23 Feb 11
I agree with you,so I shared this discussion to you all.A proverb gives us some hints,but it cannot retrain our actions.
@nangisha (3496)
• Indonesia
21 Feb 11
I think number of child's not affected how happy you are. Its depend on how you made bonding with them and teach them to respect their parent by giving an living example. My dad had 8 sibling and my mom 11 sibling, they close to each others. When my Grandma sick they filled the hospital when visiting and they share the bill.Its also when we had party we always had many guest because we had more relative because their marriages.
• China
23 Feb 11
That really makes sense.If parents are not good at educating their children to live together with their elders,they always suffer consequences from that.
• Philippines
21 Feb 11
Maybe this saying is applicable long time ago but now with crisis of everything no way. I belong to a very big family. We are eleven siblings and I am the fourth child; there's much more hardships on my side because being a girl, I had to shoulder the responsibilities in taking care of my younger siblings when our eldest got a job and eventually get married. As you can see in your story, you cannot rely on boys. If his daughter didn't die, then maybe he has been taken care of. Just like me, next to our eldest are two boys then me but they didn't do some household chores because our culture is very much different from the West.
• China
23 Feb 11
I gree with you.There are too many sons,and there's too much excuse for them to shirk their responsibilities,I think.Of course the old man is surely wrong in some way,or he's too independent to live with his sons.
@globaldoc (858)
• Philippines
21 Feb 11
That is a very idealistic saying, made during the times when the economy is not yet as bad as it is today. Nowadays, it is so hard to make a living. Have more kids, and have more financial burdens, and you tire yourself out. You know what happens next. LOL
• China
23 Feb 11
What you said is right in some way.Once anybody was born,he or she begins a hard life.During the whole life later,he or she has to suffer lots of difficulties,and some of them will die early before getting old.So some people blame their parents,they shouldn't have born him or her...
@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
20 Feb 11
I think the man is being neglected. Apparently the modern Chinese men are not fulfilling the Chinese proverb. I believe the women are more into caring for the elders. When my mother was in the hospital after a massive stroke and was on a ventilator, she had a nurse who was Chinese. I gave instructions for the vent to be discontinued and the nurse was very upset with me. She thought I was killing my mother and did not even come into the room after the vent was off. One of the other nurses told me that the Chinese nurse just couldn't understand how I could do that.
• China
22 Feb 11
It seams that the old man is still healthy,maybe some day he has to take turning to live with his sons.As I know,most Chinese woman care about the elders,they are more patient and careful than men.And the nurse couldn't stand what you had done,she could do nothing but getting upset with you,so she never entered the room.
@careguarden (5670)
• Philippines
20 Feb 11
Hello Oldsix..Yeah, I agree with that..Actually i have only one child and she really makes me happy all the time. Maybe, if they are plenty the merrier.. Happy mylotting..
• China
22 Feb 11
If he has only one child,the son or daughter has no choice to fulfill his /her own responsibility,and the old man can stay with him or her.
@aeiou78 (3445)
• Malaysia
20 Feb 11
The more sons we have, the better we are. It is true to me. In my mind, only the good sons I shall consider good for me. Whether my sons are good or not, it is depended on the way the parents educate them since they are young. About the case which is mentioned in your discussion, I don't agree to blame the sons of the old man. The old man should blame himself for not educating his sons well. As a result, he has to suffer all of the consequences. Anyhow, I just always pray and bless my sons to be happy and successful in their future. I never expect them to revert me for whatever I contributed. When I am old, I like to stay alone too. I love my sons and I never want to give the burden to them. We love our sons without attempting to exchange for something. This is my belief.
• China
23 Feb 11
I'm sure the old man is wrong somehow,perhaps he just wanted to act like the center of attention from his sons,but he's got the opposite consequences.Or mabay he has the similar belief,and just loves his sons,never expecting their returning...
• Calgary, Alberta
20 Feb 11
Actually daughters are much better, most of the offsprings that sends their parents to retirement homes are sons. usually daughters have more compassion to take care of their aging parents. Thats why i was wondering most fathers prefer a son, They were so obsessed on keeping the family name. based on what I see parents have easier time on disciplining daughters, I think there is a statistic that sons are more rebellious againts parents.
• China
23 Feb 11
As I know,quite a few parents have the same idea as yours,they can see their daughters are good to them when they're old.But when a daughter was born in a family,the father was mostly unpleased.Why?He wanted a son to carry over his family lifeblood.
@JohnMach (550)
• Philippines
20 Feb 11
Don't rely on proverbs in predicting your life because they're just proverbs. You have your own life and you don't want to waste it in some proverb.
• China
22 Feb 11
What you responsed makes sense.No one acts always as the proverb says.
@margeryann (1845)
• United States
20 Feb 11
I think that it is sad that it sounds like his kids don't do nothing with him.I can maybe understand appointments, if they work and can't take off and he says that he will be alright going by himself but traditional festivals, that's sad that they don't enjoy it with him so he can have a better time and so he isn't so lonely!
• China
22 Feb 11
Maybe he's too independent to interrupt his sons,or maybe he's used to being alone and lonely......