Children and expectations.

@MsTickle (25180)
Australia
March 1, 2011 5:51pm CST
Hello friends, My children came along while I was still very young and quite naive and immature. I was 17 and 19. While doing some chores earlier the realisation came to me that my younger daughter will turn 40 this year. Having no wisdom whatsoever when they were young I had no expectations of either of my two. While they were both painful handfuls when they were growing up, the elder got her act together in her twenties and is now relatively successful. She has worked very hard and has two lovely girls of her own but I don't think she has any actual expectations for her kids even though she has raised them well. Where they will go after school is anyone's guess. The younger made lots of (in my opinion) wrong choices but in the last ten years has turned her act around to a degree. She has two children also and they are a bit of a trial. As with her sister, the younger daughter has not had any expectations for her kids. If your children are now adults, have they fulfilled your expectations for them? Did you have any? Did you steer them in any direction as they grew? How are they doing now with their own kids? If your kids are still young what are your thoughts on the subject? Do you think it's important to have expectations? For instance: a professional or semi-professional career, a good marriage, any sort of job will do? If your child has a skill or talent will/do you encourage that?
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Mar 11
I just hope they find something to do that makes them happy, and that they are functional and healthy, and don't get into any kind of nasty trouble.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
2 Mar 11
I'm maybe on a guilt trip...should I have talked to them more about education, encouraged them to study hard and go to uni, have a career, travel. I did none of that stuff. We just lived day to day and struggled every day. I think family support is so important.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Mar 11
My mom was the golden child, and she was in church groups, girl scouts, spelling bees, played two instruments and sang, got straight A's, etc. We weren't pushed to do anything really. In reality, I think there's a happy medium somewhere...
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
2 Mar 11
Your mom set you a shining example...sadly, I didn't.
@rameshchow (4426)
• India
2 Mar 11
Now a days the children are too fast. Just the parents have to give support. The children looking for passion.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
2 Mar 11
Parents have to be in control. I think there is not much of that these days.
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• India
2 Mar 11
Then wt to do. Have fun with children. Live happily with playing jokes with them.
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@GardenGerty (169591)
• United States
2 Mar 11
I have two kids, and I had some hopes for them, not so much expectations. My son has had some trouble. In many ways he has been challenging. He is such a good boy, but he really went wrong for a year or so and is paying the price now, and will the rest of his life. No kids. Soon to be ex wife, and a girl friend now. (No, the girl friend was not the trouble.) My daughter is doing really well. She has two great little girls and a terrific husband. I love her life, except she lives a lot further away than I like. My daughter and her husband both have degrees in Ministry, and she would like to be a writer. I was in my twenties when I had them.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
2 Mar 11
I think ordinary people like us tend not to have expectations. Our parents probably didn't have any for us...I know mine didn't for me. I think it's professional families who have expectations of their children...like doctors and such and maybe actors if their children show talent in that area.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
2 Mar 11
DOnt think I did either I was glad when they went to a trade scool. youngest son was always going to be a machnic and is. Daughter she has took 2 trade schools one was welding which she did use and one was massage herapy and she pass the class real fine but the natonls she didnt pas they waitied 6 month to give it to her. Now she wont use it as she thinks in her head that she hurried her dads cancel along faster by giving him massages her teacher friend and i have al told her no as it made him not hurt for awhile and he was so far gone when we fould out either way wouldnt haeve spread it fastr
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
5 Mar 11
being a mechanic came natrual I think ,he has worked on cars since he was 9. He is the only grandson that followed my dad he was a mechanic for every hting ended up retiring from working on jet engines.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
Oh how sad that must make your daughter. Can nothing convince her of the facts and how her massage therapy would have been very much appreciated and helpful? If both the kids went to trade school then I reckon they must have got the idea of going from somewhere. Or they must have had some idea of what they wanted to become...especially in your son's case. Someone had to have instilled in him an interest in things mechanical.
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
2 Mar 11
If this reply seems to be NOT my regular windy one...it's cause the WINDS are coming..up to 100+ kmh, and any moment the power is going to go out! So, if MIA, that is the reason! My son, now 30...is very, very respectably employed, and learned, and travels to many parts of the world..teaching engineering. He is with the same girl, for 7 years, but not married, as she has just completed her training for RMT! There is NO connection between this girl and me, so really, the family unit is broken along with my heart. Please take care...and HUGZ! Will be checking back in after the big blow!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
We've had some savage winds here too...fences blown away, pot plants blown down the street. I lost half a tree and had some ornamental pots knocked down off their perches and broken. Happy for you regarding your son but not sure what you mean by "NO connection between this girl...". Do you not get along and so your son is alienated from you?
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• Canada
3 Mar 11
I cannot, without going on forever, explain the situation...she just doesn't seem to have any interest in being a family, does NOT involve the family, hates to participate in activities, where all the attention is not on her. I am non-confrontational, and have bent over backwards for this girl...but she is ICE-cold, and I am really tired of being hurt! Yes...it puts major strains on my relationship with my son...not so bad at first, but the more she gets her talons in him, the more she makes it difficult to have any relationship. He used to call me every morning, because I live rurally, and do have a heart condition...and she was able to badger him so much about "being a Momma's boy," I might hear from him every 3-4 weeks. They live only 18 miles away..and in 7 years, I have visited them 3 times, each time vowing to never do it again...OH WELL, such is life! The winds came and went, blew most of their steam out in Washington State. Thanks for asking....and thanks for caring! Cheers!
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
2 Mar 11
Great discussion, Ms.Tickle! I have raised 4 very beautiful girls. I think all I ever expected of them was to do their best at whatever they chose to do and to be kind and thoughtful people. Don't mooch. No one owes you anything in this world. Count on yourself and be grateful for any help anyone gives you along the way...just don't expect it or take it for granted. When someone skrews you over (and they will) don't get bitter...remember how it felt and don't ever do that to anyone else. When they do something special for you (and they will) remember it and pass it on to someone else. Other than that, no expectations. They are all very sweet and caring and independent and moral girls. They are all very different and I'm proud of them all. I had one that made an exceptional amount of bad decisions and even in the worst of them...she was hurting herself only. Well ok...There were many nights, I worried, cried and stressed over her poor choices and was afraid for her. Through it all, I could see heart. Like your grand daughter, as she matures, I see her coming around. I'm not worried anymore. She'll be ok. If I die tomorrow, I've given the world 4 very wonderful people as anyone who is lucky enough to know them will agree.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
Golly, what an amazingly fantastic mom you are!. I wish I'd been that clever. About all I taught my girls were good manners. Although I guess that's a plus these days.
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
4 Mar 11
Hi Tickle, I had a very unique and wonderful dad and I would have to say that I got my thinking on child rearing from him. I'm 54 now so you know that back then it was highly unusual for a dad to be as involved with the kids. Trust me Tickle...I was not the perfect mom as my girls will tell you. They KNOW I love them and they knew that they were my top priority while they were growing up. As for the manners...that really is a plus these days and I imagine that you taught them a whole lot more than you are giving yourself credit for. I bet you taught them all the same as I did my girls.
@Polly1 (12644)
• United States
2 Mar 11
Hello my sweet friend. When my son was a teenager, he could be a brat. He had some troubles, nothing huge that I couldn't handle. I asked my mom if she ever thought the children we had were like our punishment for the crap we put our parents thru. she said yes, but that I was a good kid so she didn't understand why I was having troubles with my son. I had him when I was 17 yrs old. He will be 32 next month, wow how time flies. He has 5 kids, three different moms. He is a good dad, I am proud of that. He is working on being a better husband. Sometimes he has disappointed me. I mostly want him to be happy, I want him to be a kind caring man. I have a step daughter who as been going thru a lot lately. In fact she is living with me along with my granddaughter. She recently has been divorced. She has to pull herself up and get her life together and start living. I guess right now I am counting on my grandkids to make me proud. I never had high expectations for my kids. I want them to be happy, I want them to be nice people, to be kind, to care. Now the grand kids, I want the world for them.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
It's up to you to instruct those grandkids how to get what they want and need out of life. Let them know it's what you want as well and to help them get it. I worry that kids today have too much handed to them on a plate. Then as adults, they have little concept of reality and they come undone ...a lot of them anyway. I hope your dreams for them come true.
@khithi17 (762)
• Philippines
2 Mar 11
Well, for me. It's normal and common for a mother or father to have expectations and dreams for their children. especially if you yourself didn't achieve your goals in life. It's just normal to expect your child to be more successful than you ever were. It's because you want them to succeed in their own life and be a better person and parent someday. But some parents push their children so hard to achieve what the parent wants for their child to be. so what happens is, they don't see that their child wants to follow his/her own dream and they excel on their own dreams than the dreams of their parents for them. It's so much harder for the children to do the things they don't want but is forced to do so for the sake of their parents dreams and because they don't want to disappoint them in the process.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
Very well said. It's fine to have expectations but they should be about the child...not the parents unfulfilled or failed dreams...or even their own success. The expectations should be that the child will study hard, be healthy, make the right choices as they have been taught and to go after their dreams with a passion.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
2 Mar 11
I share Dawn's view about this. I want her to be happy. We have done our best to raise her to be balanced, courteous and focused. Not selfish but not a pushover either. She's at university now which was never an expected goal that we had, but something that she wanted and we encouraged therefore. I believe that having children is a selfish act on the parent's behalf. We must help them grow, but we can't live our unfulfilled hopes through them. They must find their own way and do so better if they know that they are loved.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
I think encouragement is really important. It not only validates the child but also the choices she makes and that must be great for confidence and self esteem. I was not thinking about vicariously living through our children but leading them along a well thought out path or showing them the way. I think there needs to be balance in accordance with the child's own dreams, ambitions or hopes and support for their choices. Even if they get it wrong they need to keep trying. I think if the child knows Mum And Dad have healthy expectations it will be easier for some to keep going till they find what they want especially if those expectations are that the child find happiness.
@bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
3 Mar 11
i always did encourage talents. strange thing. the ones i thought would be awsome hasnt done much with their lives or intelligence. which shows you never know and if they dont live their potential its not your fault. but i see yours has. lucky you. my 2 oldest have went far beyond anything i thought they could do or be. i often wonder where the heck they got their brains. unless it was my dad.
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@jazel_juan (15745)
• Philippines
2 Mar 11
When i was a kid, my mom and dad often voice out their expectations iwth me, but what i observed was that most of their expectations were nto what i wanted. Like my dad used to wnat me to become a pilot and i could remember he also wants me to be an engineer and often times he would compare me to cousins of mine who were successful in those areas and are not working overseas..my mom will just agree to what he says but is less expectant of me. I was the different one in the family, i had this artistic touch and i wanted to paint, i wanted to draw, i wanted such stuff..but the thing is they do not see that as my future, all they know about such is that is only for a hobby. They did not support me all the way on who i wanted to be, i wanted to apply in this University and wanted to take Graphic arts but they did not allow me to because that university is far and so i had to sort to taking one here locally and had to resort to the ones they wanted, Accountancy. I sucked at it lol i failed and had to take engineering and i sucked at it more.. and in the end i got pregnant early, was 19 by the way. But luckily i still survived, my parents were mroe dissappointed... but i finally was able to get my life back on track with the help of my huby, he knows what i want...so now that i have kids i realized how important it is to know who your kids are, what they want, where they want to go. My kids are still 6, 3 and 1 years old but i am willing to open my mind and see where they want to proceed. I am expecting them to be great people, to be responsible and respectful. My daughter is good at drawing and painting and i know she got it from me, that is why i am encouraging her to pursue it..she can even draw people and for her age it is quite good. Me and huby are both dedicated to forming them to become who they wanted to be and hopefully we will be successful at it.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
All children have dreams...don't laugh, but I wanted to be a ballerina. . Parents should watch and listen to their children and encourage them in their dreams if they can. Show your kids they can believe in their dreams comiong true. Skills and talents should also be encouraged. Let's face it, if you end up doing a job you love with a passion then you've got it made. Good luck.
@marguicha (230365)
• Chile
2 Mar 11
I had my children as you did MsTickle, very young and all that. My first was when I was 18 and my second when I was 21. I´m sure I made a lot of mistekes while I was raising them, not only because I had not the least idea about raising children but because I have my temper. Fortunatly a got married with a wise man, 7 years my senoir and that helped a lot. I had lots of expectatins for them although I didn´t even realise at the moment that they were expectations. I just thought that´s the way things should be. Yet I had done with my life a lot of things against my parents expectations and should have known better. I started the university at 16, two years earlier that most of the kids in my country. I was supposed to have a good career and do good there. But I fell in love. As the girls grew, I not only wished them to be good scholars but to find mr perfect as I had done. The girls both did well in their studies and one is a judge and the other a psychologist. But they did not have my luck in love affairs. My youngest found a second partner with whom she just had a baby. But it has been difficult for both of them. My older grandchildren are doing well and one of them is very talented music wise. But we´ll see. I think one has expectations although maybe not the "scholarlike" ones. We want them to be happy, we want them t be healthy. For me a good marriage is like the one I had. And I know I´m asking too much.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 11
Hi Margy...you set them a good example with your marriage and that is absolutely the best thing you can do. You certainly did well raising your own two but it seems modern day kids/adults are not necessarily as smart (or lucky) as they think they are. I wish you well for your daughters and hope your dreams for them come to fruition.