Santa vs. God

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

You so are willing to accept a belief regardless of whether it is true or not simply to reap the reward?

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

23 Jul 11

I'm just not sure how logical it is.

Gruffydd Rhydderch

@Orson_Kart (6108)

• United Kingdom

26 Jul 11

It's called capitalism or explotation. Take your pick. Who really cares about the truth?

paula27661

@paula27661 (15811)

• Australia

21 Jul 11

I don’t think that there is a case of Santa versus God. I think they can both coexist quite happily as a matter of fact! As far as coincidence goes I personally tend to believe that everything happens for a reason and that there are no such things as coincidences. I believe that Santa may just be an extension of all that is good which is God. ]

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@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

I didn't mean Santa vs God in a conflicting way, but just in a comparative way. I wasn't saying that they both couldn't coexist, but just making a comparison between the two. Is Santa really an extension of all that is good though? Parents lying to their children telling them that something exists that doesn't for years and years? Is that really, truly a good thing? Yes, it may make them happy for a while, but ultimately isn't lying considered a sin? Ps. Coke is disgusting. Pepsi! Pepsi! Pepsi! .... Consumerism.

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@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

Oh, but you never answered. Why do you think there are so many similarities? You said you didn't believe in coincidences, so what reason is there for this?

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paula27661

@paula27661 (15811)

• Australia

22 Jul 11

I happen to think that there is a reason for everything that happens. I do think that parents who lie to their children about Santa do so with good intentions. I also believe that it is the intent behind your actions that counts more than anything else. I told my daughter there was a Santa when she was little and Christmas was a very magical and special time for her which she tells me she enjoyed very much although she is now aware of the truth. I don't think the idea of Santa is meant to be a negative thing...

cher913

@cher913 (25782)

• Canada

21 Jul 11

first of all, santa was created by christians but by marketing. God does not have 'magical powers' either. let me put it this way, if i believe in God (which i do) and die and find out it was just a myth, i really never lost anything right? but if i dont believe in God, die and find out it really WAS true, what have i lost?

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missak

@missak (3311)

• Spain

20 Jul 11

I can't help but tell you what I thought when I read your title: what about Santa'n'as ?

Well, I think many european mythology has thoose points in common, is some kind of cultural hero. I think they even changed some of old christian stories to make them ressemble that "occidental" point of view.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

20 Jul 11

Santa'n'as??

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andrea5876

@andrea5876 (1)

• United States

21 Jul 11

i think christmas is a great holiday for kids and fun for them

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@gjabaigar (2200)

• Philippines

21 Jul 11

I think its a Spanish for Satan, actually its "Satanas"

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maidangela7349

@maidangela7349 (1191)

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21 Jul 11

I have read through the answers on this question and I think on balance there is more evidence for the existence of St Nickolas than there is for "god" and certainly as much evidence for existence St Nickolas as there is for Jesus. I think the only difference is that when we are teenagers we are told that Santa does not really exist and it is daddy filling the stocking but not many people are fortunate enough to have the same sort of thing said to them about god so many of us continue to give credence to that myth

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@gjabaigar (2200)

• Philippines

22 Jul 11

Well, Australian's Prime Minister Julia Gillard, she is an Atheist. And said that she does not believe in God, but has “great respect for religion”. ...

maidangela7349

@maidangela7349 (1191)

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21 Jul 11

There is no punishment for not believing in god either only a great sense of relief that you no longer have to listen to some priest spouting nonsense

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

Yes, very good point. People stop believing in Santa when someone they respect tells them that he doesn't exist. But religion is much different. We are taught to believe no matter what others tell us and people who we respect, like our parents, tend to hold the same religious beliefs. On top of that, there is no punishment for not believing in Santa.

RobtheRock

@RobtheRock (2433)

• United States

23 Jul 11

I sort of agree with Casandrina. Over the years, I too have compared Santa to God. As you say, both Santa and God know "when you've been bad or good." Although Norad doesn't show it, Santa bilocates. This is why he can be at 1816 Harrison Street and eating cookies and milk, and be way across town at the very same moment. God too, can be many places at the same time. As you say, both offer tremendous rewards when you've been good. Thus, Santa is a tiny representation of what God is. Santa, who is the Christian St. Nick, is used to make children behave. It was better than telling the children that the Gremlin would get them if they didn't behave. And since the parents gave the children presents and said they were from Santa, this would help them to get their children to behave in a better way than if there were no methods to keep the little brats in line.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

25 Jul 11

There have been many serial killers who think that their god told them or wants them to kill. Governments use religion to convince the people that entering war is the right thing to do. How many wars have been fought with both sides thinking that God is on their side? I'm not seeing too much of a difference between serial killers and those who need a God to do good. I really don't think that religion is actually stopping people from being evil.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

23 Jul 11

I believe that you are right. But I am still not very happy with the fact that people actually need mythical figures to be good and make their children be good. Children hid their bad behavior and so parents had to start telling them that some guy could always see what they are doing. Sounds like another similarity.

RobtheRock

@RobtheRock (2433)

• United States

24 Jul 11

Sketch, I thought further on it. As you said, chidren hid their bad behavior. So I think parents were aided in another fashion. Mom has "woman's intuition. Whether training herself or however she does it, sometimes she knew that her son or daughter did something wrong. She just doesn't know what it was, if it wasn't recently done. So Mom takes her intuition, and uses an all knowing Santa as back up.

@gjabaigar (2200)

• Philippines

21 Jul 11

Well, Santa just doing his job or services for his love to God and God love Santa. God permits to have Santa because they have same goal, they are one to share and to love one another as humble as we are.

@gjabaigar (2200)

• Philippines

22 Jul 11

They are similar because that was God all He wanted to us, that we should be all like Santa. Santa is us. It is a symbol of us, of our Humanities. Santa do what God wanted us to be. To love, share and care one another because we are all children of God. We are all just humans, Santa is a symbol of our hope to have blessed and graceful life under God's presence. Do you want to have a happy peaceful world? Can you be a Santa also? Do you want to be Santa? Do you want to make all children happy? Of course all of us wanted to be Santa because it is part of our Humanity.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

25 Jul 11

I never wanted to be Santa, but okay.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

So they are similar because they have the same goal? Um... you didn't exactly answer the question. What do you mean by "God permits to have Santa"? God permits the idea of Santa or he permits Santa to exist.. or what?

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celticeagle

@celticeagle (159008)

• Boise, Idaho

21 Jul 11

Santa and God are both imaginary. SOmething we humans need for two different reasons. One we need for our children to have a happy CHristams time. The other to put all our fears and injustifications on instead of standing up for ourselves and doing it for ourselves. Yes, both are for a very definite reason.

a very definite reason

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celticeagle

@celticeagle (159008)

• Boise, Idaho

21 Jul 11

Santa Claus was invented as a myth for kids to make them happy. I don't see anything in Santa Claus that has to do with the promise of heaven.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

25 Jul 11

You totally missed what I was saying. I was saying that God persuades people to be good with the promise of heaven, just as Santa persuades children to be good with the promise of presents. Be good, get a reward. So my point was that I believe that Santa was not invented to make children happy, but rather to make them behave.

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@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

Do you think that making children happy is the reason for the creation of Santa Clause? Or do you think that it is easier to persuade children to be good with the promise of presents rather than the promise of heaven? They both seem to have the same purpose to me, just different targets. What do you think about this?

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RawBill AKA MrAusAdventure

@RawBill1 (8531)

• Gold Coast, Australia

26 Jul 11

I think that they are actually one and the same....just like Superman and Clark Kent. It is not a coincidence. He has a child too. He is sometimes known as Jesus, but can transform himself just like his father. Jesus is also known as.....The Easter Bunny!

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RawBill AKA MrAusAdventure

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

26 Jul 11

I was wondering how a bunny would do all those human things, like hide eggs and give candy.

@RawBill1 (8531)

• Gold Coast, Australia

26 Jul 11

Yes, well now you know!

Robswife2006

@Robswife2006 (1208)

• United States

21 Jul 11

I think anyone who compares a fictional person such as Santa Claus to our loving Creator is most definitely not playing with a full deck. For those who doubt God exists, just look around you. Everything & anything on this planet including the planet itself was created by God. How could anyone doubt that? Why is it so easy to believe in inventors such as Thomas Edison or Alexander Graham Bell who invented the light bulb & telephone & not believe that the earth & everything on it has a creator as well? Santa Claus is a fictional character that has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being born yet he has pretty much taken over a day that is SUPPOSED to be celebrated on the belief that Christ was born on that day. I could go on & on, but I wont. Any intelligent person who has read the Bible from beginning to end knows that God exist. No where in the Bible is Santa Claus aka St. Nick ever mentioned though & so I leave you with that last thought.

@Robswife2006 (1208)

• United States

21 Jul 11

I can't even respond to such nonsense because I wouldn't even know what to say. Comparing Santa Claus to God is just utterly ridiculous & downright idiotic. Apparently I was able to find the words for such stupidity. Having said that I can honestly say I am now officially done with this discussion. I can see there is no intelligent life here...LOL

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@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

A fictional character? Prove to me that he is fictional. There are books written about Santa and my parents and other authority figures told me he was real, so he must be right? Did you ever believe in Santa I wonder? If so, why did you stop believing? And yes a lot of things were created like the lightbulb and other things, but if we need a creator, then shouldn't God also need one? Who created him? Or did he always exist? And if he can always exist, then why is it so radical of an idea that the universe could also have always existed? As far as the "anyone who read the Bible would know...." So you are basing your entire life on information from a single source? If you were in school and wrote a report with only one source, what would your teacher say? Your teacher would probably say that the information is unreliable and you should double check it. Oh well, you said you were done with the discussion and probably won't read this anyway. Darn. Too bad I didn't respond earlier before anyone else so I could get my thoughts in.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

25 Jul 11

Don't you love the types of people who say something rude and then state that they aren't coming back, so that they never have to answer the questions they can't answer? Yeah, me neither.

coolbull101

@coolbull101 (79)

• Saudi Arabia

21 Jul 11

if icp state that they put subliminal messages about god in there joker cards then he must exist isnt that right ????? and what about the dark lotus why will they paint there face with a holy cross if it wasnt the love toward god !!!! hope this convinces lots of juggalos and juggalettes ..!! mcl

coolbull101

@coolbull101 (79)

• Saudi Arabia

22 Jul 11

i no i missread hahaha nevermind i was so tired n sleepy cant remember what i typed :P

mantis36

@mantis36 (4219)

• Philippines

25 Jul 11

nyahahahahaha, at least, you also noticed it..... Santa: laughing like Ho, Ho, Ho Devil: laughing like Bwa, Ha, Ha Santa: red dress identity Devil: red skinned identity Santa: never enters unto your doors and windows, but trough chimneys like a thief Devil: it all enters unto temptations.... Santa: S A N T A Devil: S A T A N Santa: Defies the law of nature by managing to give gifts to all kids on just one night.... can teleport, fly using reindeer, knows when you're good or bad... Devil: All power of God is also the devil can do it except for only 1.... Santa: sitting on the throne chair on the city malls... Devil: sitting on the throne chair at the hell.... Santa: Santa Clause is coming to town Devil: Devil is always coming to your thinking to attempt another temptation rolling on the floor laughing out loud....

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

25 Jul 11

So maybe Santa is like the hybrid of God and Satan.

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

26 Jul 11

Wow that was pretty insane. Though I've actually read that 666 originally had spiritual meaning, as a lot of things that are deemed evil.

mantis36

@mantis36 (4219)

• Philippines

25 Jul 11

and finally, Santa Clause are having fun of laughing HO HO HO..... note: an interval of 6 letters between H and O thus... H (i,j,k,l,m,n) O 6 letters interval starting from i to n therefore... HO HO HO means 6 6 6 and everytime Santa laughs, it's all 666, the number of the devil....

lilbabycatapillar

@lilbabycatapillar (497)

• United States

20 Jul 11

Whoa whoa whoa. You can't just go around offending people's beliefs like that. This is cruel and unnecessary. Are you really, truly telling me that Santa doesn't exist???!!!!!! Santa Claus, does, in fact, exist. My mother told me so. I have a photograph of myself and Santa when I was just one year old. The coolest part is, he has the exact same eyes as my dad. It's also apparent that he lost weight that year, because of the cookie shortage, and people leaving out nonfat milk. I have several letters from Santa Claus that verify his existence, but I can't see how anyone could even dare question him!!!!!! (This part below is actually all true!) For my letter of 2008 Christmas, I wrote to Santa stating that I would indeed like it if he were to help Michael Jackson make a comeback. (June 2009, Michael Jackson passes away.) For my letter of 2009 Christmas, I wrote back "Santa! You KILLED Michael Jackson! This is NOT what I had in mind when I asked you to renew his career. Bad Santa!" Then, he wrote back, in a handwriting oddly similar to my dad's. "Michael Jackson is helping me out at the North Pole." In Conclusion, Santa Claus and Michael Jackson are very, very much alive, and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise!

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

20 Jul 11

Haha. You got me there in that first sentence. I thought you were seriously mad. lol. You might just be right about MJ being at the North Pole. A lot of people believe that he is still alive, so it must be true.

thezone

@thezone (9394)

• Ireland

23 Jul 11

I have a photo too when I was a kid with Santa. It is only when I got older that I found out it was my Dad. He did Santa that year for the local Christmas fate. The man is a legend!

arnlenerose

@arnlenerose (19)

• Philippines

21 Jul 11

you can't read about santa in the BIBLE.it is very too far to compare GOD to santa.i'm a Christian but i don't believe in santa because God never mentioned him in the Bible.GOD is the creator of all things and santa doesn't created anything.thank you!

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

21 Jul 11

Yeah. Just what I was going to say smilingjack. There are a lot of things not in the Bible. At any rate, you didn't answer the question of the discussion. Why do you think there are so many similarities between the two?

arnlenerose

@arnlenerose (19)

• Philippines

22 Jul 11

who say santa and God have many similarities?you can't compare GOD to the one never ever existed.

arnlenerose

@arnlenerose (19)

• Philippines

22 Jul 11

smilingjack,our topic is santa and he is not created by technology.try to understand first your question before you asked.thnx!