What's so bad about "class warfare"?

United States
September 20, 2011 4:53pm CST
Face it folks, whether to pay off the deficit, pay down the debt or just providing needed services now under the budget knife... what is so bad about calling ion the wealthy to pay more of a fair share? International readers please comment as well in your country. Really... what are we afraid of?
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Sep 11
How are you better off just because someone else is being forced to pay more taxes? Do you even pay taxes, or do you get every penny back in a tax return? The "Rich" already pay the bulk of the taxes in the US. The bottom half pay nothing, and many of them make a profit from taxes. I think it's completely hypocritical to call it "paying their fair share" when most the people who use that stupid phrase aren't paying anything at all. Class warfare is bigotry. Don't be a bigot.
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@laglen (19779)
• United States
22 Sep 11
@dark_joev (3042)
• United States
21 Sep 11
You want a fair share type tax system than you want one on sales or better known as a consumption tax. Why you might be asking well this is because at lets say 2% a 10.00 item that a "poor" person might purchase becomes 12.00 then if a person who is rich buys dinner at a really upper class restaurant and it is 100.00 he pays 20.00 the rich would be paying for the goods and services they use and they would be putting in their fair share as they are all getting taxed at the same rate but because of what the difference is in purchasing the richer person would be making a choice to pay more in taxes and people would be more willing to pay taxes because this would mean they wouldn't have to pay an income tax and would be able to keep far more of their hard earned money. Also the Wealthy also mostly run business which means they most likely are getting taxed twice if their company isn't publicly owned they more than likely are paying their own wages getting taxed on that then on the dividends they get payed by the Corporation they are taxed for that then the 35% corporate tax. Which for smaller business owners could be quite a heavy thing to pay. If they are rich and own a company that is incorporated they could be paying 60% of their income into the government.
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@jazzyrae (1747)
• United States
20 Sep 11
i am by no means rich i am actually broke lol but i think it is wrong to punish people who have worked hard to make their fortune by taxing them more. People need to get off their lazy welfare buts and do something
@andy77e (5161)
• United States
22 Sep 11
Agreed! Besides, every job I've ever had was from a rich man. If the rich don't have money to invest in jobs, I'll be out of work.
@jazzyrae (1747)
• United States
23 Sep 11
they really do help the economy alot. People just are so frustrating the way they just expect the goverment to help them get handouts.
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
22 Sep 11
I am amazed how the charge of class warfare only works in one direction. When Democrats demand that the wealthiest two percent should pay a couple of percents higher in taxation Republican cry class warfare, yet when Republicans run on the platform of expanding the tax base by having the poor pay more in taxation, this action is never labeled as class warfare. Why should a few keep living in absolute comfort while the vast majority struggles to make ends meet?
@andy77e (5161)
• United States
23 Sep 11
Name one time in which Republicans have tried to make the poor pay more taxes? I want the year, or the name of the bill, or a citation. Or, you can agree that you are liar. One or the other please.
@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
20 Sep 11
Look at your phrasing "fair share" and you have your answer. Let's look at it this way. The amount the poor pays in taxes. 10% - 15% The amount the middle-class pays in taxes. Numbers vary but approx. 25-28% The amount the "rich" pay in taxes. Numbers vary but approx. 33-35% So again, what's a fair share? The word fair implies that all groups pay the same percentage of their income to the Government in taxes regardless of income level. In this case, the President has forgotten what the word "fair" means. But most teachers will tell you that all the students should get one ride down the slide before someone can have another turn. The numbers were taken from here and do not include State taxes. http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/federal-income-irs-tax-brackets.html The President is talking about one very specific income source that gets taxed at a lower rate,investment income. But this income isn't a "millionaire" tax per say because it could affect anyone of any income that depends on money coming in from investments such as retirees who use investment money to live off of.
• United States
22 Sep 11
Apparently, Clinton's not a big fan of it either. http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-snubs-millionaire-tax-011400366.html
@andy77e (5161)
• United States
23 Sep 11
The rich already pay MORE than their fair share. The government is blowing too much money. What happens when you pay for a drunk to drink? He just drinks more. Right. What happens when a government drunk on spending, gets more money? They just spend even more. No country has ever taxed itself into wealth. Our country will be no different. That's what we're against. I don't give a crap about Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. The problem is the idea that was can tax ourselves to riches. It can't. It won't. It never will. We need to end this idea, here and now.
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
21 Sep 11
Remember just a couple of years ago when President Obama demanded that the people on Wall Street not get their bonus because it was not fair. So business did not pay bonuses to anyone. The State of New York lost an estimated 2-3 Billion in tax revenue and the city of New York (NYC) lost almost 1 Billion in tax revenue. How many state and city workers lost their job as a result? How many middle class people had to pay more taxes to make up for the loss? It should be noted that the no bonus did not apply to the federal government (including Fanny and Freddie who are losing Billions that the tax payer will have to cover) who gave out bonuses using our tax money. There were reports from all over NYC that the middle class and poor were effected by the Rich not getting their bonuses. Restaurants were laying off people because the big Bonus parties were not happening and car sales were down, department stores saw a drop in sales because of no bonuses. Right now the government is taking 35% of everything people earn above $379,000. You have to remember that many of the states also have an income tax so add another 5% to 10% to the federal tax. At what point does the rich man say it's not worth working for the little that I get to keep. Ronald Reagan pointed out that he could make about the same making 5 movies a year as he would make if he made more than 6 movies in a year because he lost most of what he made above 5 movies to taxes. It is very simple you tax that which you want to discourage and subsidize that which you want ot encourage. Right now we are taxing people who work and subsidizing people who do not work. Is that what we really want to do?
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
21 Sep 11
Class warfare creates resentment towards those who worked hard and live the American dream. It is literally punishing people for being successful members of society who are responsible for the great things in this country. Raising taxes on the rich will not pay down the debt. It will not pay off the deficit. It is clearly not needed to provide these needed services as they have been in effect despite a decade of deficits. What am I afraid of? I'm afraid that this country will literally collapse when we reward lazy bums who demand free money because they haven't had a job for years. I'm afraid that the American dream will change from becoming wealthy through hard work, to getting a mediocre life through sponging off the government. As for this "fair share" BS, what is a "fair share"? Is it fair that half the country doesn't pay a dime of federal income taxes and 30% are actually PROFITING off income taxes? Is it fair to raise taxes on the 5% that are already paying over half the taxes collected in this country while giving free money to people who aren't contributing ANYTHING to society? This "fair share" bit is nothing more than a huge load of crap to justify stealing from hard working Americans so poor people can enjoy luxuries like cell phones because they feel entitled to the fruits of another person's labor.