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@writersedge (22563)
United States
November 5, 2011 9:24am CST
Some plants/trees/bushes/shrubs are poisonous for most people to touch: Poison Ivy Poison Oak Poison Sumac (White Sumac) Many have NON-poisonous relatives or similarly named plants/trees/bushes/shrubs that most people can touch: Ground Ivy, houseplants that are Ivy White Oak, Red Oak Red or Smooth Sumac, Staghorn Sumac This discussion is about Sumac that is used as a drink or used to flavor food. The above are NOT all inclusive, but illustrate my point. Many people know there are non-poisonous ivies and oaks, but when I talk about sumac, I get people who do not want to entertain any notion that there might be non-poisonous to touch and even parts of it that might be used for a varitey of things. To find out what the different ones look like, wikipedia has United States Government pictures of each one of the sumacs listed above. Depending on the sumac: it can be used to create a drink often called sumacade because it's often tart. it can be used to flavor food and is often in Middle Eastern cooking and often in a spice called zatar or za'tar. It can be made into gelatin. Youtube has many tutorials about sumac including making sumacade by the hot method, cold method, bruising method, non-brusing method, etc. I was happy to learn that some people use it for landscaping. Also that my joke "the North Country Palm" tree is not really a joke. People do shape them for that. Flutes were a big surprise to me. I had heard years ago that they were used for tanning, but now I read that they can also be a dye that doesn't need mordant (a fixative so the dye doesn't run). My brother used it for a bow and I was surprised that one youtube person has made flutes with them. I think the branches would make good antlers for a costume. They're soft and furry. They branch out and could be cut to look the antler part. The berries or staghorn might make a neat read nose. So have you ever heard of sumac? Did you only hear it was poisonous? Have you ever made sumacade? Which method did you use? Did you like it? Have you ever done or made anything else with it? If you had never heard that it was useable, will you try to use some in the future? It's past now in my area. Usually up here we harvest it in August and September. But some late years early October it might still be good. I made sumacade 2xs in my life. Once it was very bland and the next time it was too acidic. But I had only read about the hot methods.I might like the cold one better next time.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
5 Nov 11
I've never made it but have read about it many times. There isn't any growing around here except in a few yards so I haven't had a chance to try it, but it sounds like it would make a good cold drink. I do know that poison sumac has white berries and most white berries are poisonous.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
5 Nov 11
Yes, most, the white snowberry is alledgedly non-poisonous, but it grows in so few places that I don't think it's much to worry about. But we do have dolls eyes or dogbane here which are white and said to be very poisonous.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
5 Nov 11
Mistletoe has white berries too, right? And it's poisonous. There is something else but I can't remember what it is right now.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
6 Nov 11
Not sure what color misletoe berries are. Don't think it grows up here. Isn't it a tree parasite?
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
5 Nov 11
No I never heard of this, that is interesting. So this sumac is nothing like the poisonous plant? I think this is a case of "we need to rename one or the other" to avoid confusion.
• United States
5 Nov 11
Now see, if you were to offer me a "Indian Lemon-ade" drink, that sounds much better..:)
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
5 Nov 11
Yes, some people make sumac jelly and call it Indian jelly. People buy it all the time, but if you told them it had sumac in it, they wouldn't.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
5 Nov 11
The leaves of the poisonous and the leaves of the non-poisonous are different. The fruits are different colored. They don't have much in common. I think it would be a good idea to rename it. It's also called Indian lemon-ade shrub, bush, or tree in some places.
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@GardenGerty (169479)
• United States
6 Nov 11
Growing up we had sumac in one of our back yards. I know it was not "poison sumac" and I had taken my mom's word for it, cause she knew. I discovered for myself that I liked the sour tartness of the little hairy berries. I have had a drink made with sumac in it, I think, in a middle eastern Cafe that I went to when visiting Grandpa Bob. I have a recipe somewhere from one of the chestnut festivals that had sumac as a spice. So I know that it is probably a pretty healthy wild food. I always said, as a kid, that I made pink lemonade from it. Must have been the cold method, cause I do not remember. One person here in town has Hawaiian Sumac and it is pretty.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
6 Nov 11
That sounds beautiful, the Hawaiian Sumac. You've had lots of sumac experience. That's wonderful. Maybe as best response, future people will look at this and see what some possibilities are. I should try them raw to be sure they have the acid still in them as several books I've read say that rain can wash or delute the acid out. That might be why one time it wasn't very acid and then next time was the opposite extreme. Of course I could just add more water and sugar if it't the opposite extreme.
@finlander60 (1804)
• United States
6 Nov 11
I have not used it, yet. Several years ago we went to the Missouri Chestnut Roast and got a recipe that had sumac in it, but we have not, as yet, made it. I have known for many years that there existed a Poison Sumac but, not knowing how to tell the difference was unwilling to try it. I may still be wary of it.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
6 Nov 11
Look at both sumac pictures in wikipedia. You will see that the leaves and berries are way too different to mistake one from the other. Just be careful in tight areas where one thing grows into another, one could grow into the other. Most people gather whatever they gather with gloves. Take care.
@carolscash (9491)
• United States
5 Nov 11
I did not know that there was a sumac that was non poisonous. All of it that is near us is just like poison ivy and will give a bad rash if you are allergic to it. I have never made the stuff you talk about and probably never will. I would like to see the branches that you speak of being like antlers- I bet they are pretty!
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
5 Nov 11
They're brown and hairy, not all that pretty but they feel silky during some times of the year. It's too bad you don't have the non poisonous sumac, it's lots of fun to do things with. Thanks and take care.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
5 Nov 11
YES, I do have a Sumac..but am not sure of the genus, but it has no contact side effects. It is NOT indiginant to this area...it has arrived from my neighbours in bird droppings, I am guessing...it is still in the sapling stage and this year there was no berries! We do have a plethora of snow-berries, and they do look lovely, in the wild as they grow amongst the wild roses...so red rose hips and white snow-berries! Wish you were here....writers, today we are having a slide show, demonstration of all the "wild mushrooms" on the Island...of both species..edible and poisonous! I will be off to that, with bells on, at 11:00 a.m. They even serve a lunch with all the edible 'shrooms!
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
5 Nov 11
Wow! I wish I was there, too. I've read about snow berries and seen pictures of them, but I don't think we have any here. Well, it's going to be indiginous now. Be careful, unless you mow around it, it will send up shoots and take over the entire yard.
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