“Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan”;

@kalav56 (11464)
India
March 5, 2012 2:41am CST
While we were discussing something at home, this statement cropped up and I thought how profound it is. In life also we find many people owning a person when the person is very successful; if there is a positive outcome everyone would like to come up with stories as to how she or contributed to another person’s glory but when there is a negative outcome the blame game would start. I have seen it even within close circles. Please share your views on this topic and thanks a lot for your responses.
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@allknowing (153529)
• India
5 Mar 12
I am a different kettle of fish kala. Somehow I am in someone's life when there are problems and the moment their problems are sorted out I am completely forgotten even to the extent that what was considered involvement is later construed as interference.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
I see what you mean. People throw you away once your services are not needed and also are callous enough t o say that no one asked you for it.Life teaches us so many lessons the most important of them being detachment.However, it is not easy to get it and the feeling of bitterness is always likely to linger in the bottom of your heart.I guess time heals this .
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
6 Mar 12
You had already shared the poem with us allknowing. "Every cloud has a silver lining and the clouds "in your life caused this.
@allknowing (153529)
• India
5 Mar 12
I do not remember if I have shared this poem with you guys here earlier but nevertheless would like to post it here once again from which you will know my thoughts on the subject: [i] LOVE YOURSELF When you are left alone to fend for yourself When those that you cared for put you in a shelf, The best of the best comes out of you Your life gets a hue totally new Your limbs become stronger, your mind alert You no longer worry; you can handle the hurt The artist in you comes to the fore, You can write and paint as never before You choose to discard what bears you down And pick only that that takes away your frown Life is great you happen to find Tis easy to relax and truly unwind The dark clouds that were are there no more Its peace and quiet that touches your core Its your time to do whatever you please Giving your life a renewed lease He will be there when others flee He is your support He helps you with glee He walks with you through thick and thin He is there inside you just look within. When you are left alone to fend for yourself, When those that you cared for put you in a shelf, The best of the best comes out of you Your life gets a hue totally new[/i]
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@webearn99 (1742)
• India
5 Mar 12
That is the power of association. Success is generally of positive nature and people gather around in the hope that some of the glory rubs off on them, preferably with some material benefits. The problem starts there. If the material benefits do not come in, there inevitably will be a lot of backbiting and rancor. The good thing about all of this is that, the start of backbiting tells you who are really your friends and who are there just for the fringe benefits. The only exception here are the spouses who contribute to the success and do not seem to mind anonymity. While women have exclusively had this privilege till recent past, men seem to be catching on fast in these days of women also having success in their chosen careers.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
.Parents are normally like that; they stand by children when the going is tough too.That is a lucky situation when spouses cooperate like thatSimilarly, wives and husbands do it when there is a good equation right from the beginning.That is what marriage is all about after all.
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@shibham (16977)
• India
5 Mar 12
Very true kaladi. At least i am the evidence of it. When i was jobless i was suffering from social negligence. My importance was so low in my friend circle, my relatives and society. When i got the job, then people praised me whenever they got chances and tried to run after me. Have a nice time.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
True Shibham; it is quite disillusioning at times.I have seen my father in action ; the moment he became ill, the circle of friends reduced.
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@preethaanju (3000)
• India
5 Mar 12
To understand the real essence of this phrase ask a person who has gone through the worst times in life.They are no takers for a man vanquished.In defeat he is all alone. He is blamed for everything and literally becomes a defenseless punching bag.But its the reverse in success.Each one wants a share in the joy of success no matter how insignificant his contribution.This is how the world is. Lets learn to live the way it is
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
Of course.Everyone would surround a successful man because the world only respects skills and success.Many laugh at a man when he is going through trials and tribulations. When the going is good all are there.These are the ways of the merciless world and we do learn our lessons and live here.THanks for the participation.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
5 Mar 12
Dear Kalav This is sad to happen but it is always the way of life - something similar to Darwin's theory! maybe this happens because the number of such successful people is just a handful and there are millions who are not and as always, the one which is a rare breed gets noticed. Personally, I neither look upon any successful man nor look down upon any one who is a failure because they both are essential for the world - those who are successful will never have been if there werent many who failed. If you recall, my role model is still that old beggar whom my late granny used to feed and I saw him live on the streets even during the wintery nights or the rainy ones. He is one that I would avoid becoming one like. But I have no hopes or desires that I will become famous or anything.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Mar 12
Not all people can become world or nation famous thesids. But, everyone craves a bit of recognition. As Kiran had pointed out in her discussion there are many yardsticks for measuring success. We are all successful as long as we have enough to meet our needs and are are self contained.
• Canada
5 Mar 12
Good Topic! I have to agree when there are problems people tend to gravitate to me for some reason I give them direction help as much as I can to help them along. Once they succeed they forget the help and direction I gave them and all of a sudden I am not even a thought. I love to share in my successes but have become rather choosey on who I want to share my success with, I have had people in my life who were less than proud of me and thus making me feel intimidated to share my happiness. A choosen few are always the best option. Sometimes a celebration of success can be a small party over a large one where everyone wants a piece of the pie.
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
5 Mar 12
I do have an ego...but I gleen more self-aggrandization from striving to give "a leg up"...than riding on a coat-tail! Having had to strive in my lifetime, my father's words; "when the going gets tough..the tough GET GOING!" remind me, the successful one needs naught..those struggling need a lot! Even tho' as I write this, I make myself seem wonderful...not true, I can align myself with those in need of success, more than those that have achieved it! Have missed your discussions!
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
We have a saying in our regional language that the man who has gone up climbing a ladder kicks the ladder[we have many such pithy sayings to describe ingratitude]. Probably you are referring to these 'roots' or is it related to the airs people give themselves after they have achieved success?[though this topic is different on its own]. To your last sentence I feel it is demeaning to cling to successful people[the success which we get in our own merit is enough for us--
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
Me too pergammano! But I do not call it 'ego' but 'self-respect'[now I make myself sound wonderful but it is n't it.I could well relate to what you have written.]
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• Canada
5 Mar 12
I'm glad you responded so soon...as after I posted my response, a realistic thought about myself..was/is a bit deferential! Working for many years...amongst the VERY successful (Country Music Stars at the Merritt Mountain Music Festival...in Administration) and having direct contact with all their "ids"....the biggest percentage of them made me disdainful as they had ALL forgotten their roots! I have met FEW in my life, wallowing in success, that I would really like to align myself with...and maybe that is why I am the Polar opposite!
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
11 Mar 12
Isn't that just the truth. They say that is just human nature, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why. It seems to me everyone would have a lot more success if we all just cooperated.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Mar 12
Abolutely right and the world would become a much better place to live in with less acrimony and resentment among the successful and the 'not so successful' people.
@veejay19 (3589)
• India
6 Mar 12
Yes, there is a lot of truth in this saying.I have also felt the effect of it and also at the present.Once i was quite successful and i knew a lot of people who used to flock to my house.since the last few years i have fallen on hard times and have seen people vanishing from my radar.I have taken this thing philosophically and as a lesson because now i know who are my true friends who will stick with me during my lean period and those who are superficial and who keep a distance from me when i am going through a bad phase of life.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Mar 12
'A friend in need is a friend indeed' Veejay.I have also seen this happening in real life in my father's case.
@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
5 Mar 12
Very well said and absolutely true kala, I have seen it in my life many times.In fact, it is there in most people - I have known families where a child who is not as successful as his brother or sister being ill treated by the parents, so what more can one expect from others? Most people like success stories and have no sympathy for failures, this inspite of knowing for a fact that life always has its ups and downs, success and failure are there in everybody's life though in varying degrees - hope all ok kala at your end, how is Raghu? plz do upload a picture of him
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
6 Mar 12
Rightly said that most people have no time or sympathy for failures. However, i feel many parents may always have a soft corner for their own children irrespective of how successful they are. But Some parents too are insensitive and respect only children with money or great success ; they seem to own children only when they are praiseworthy.In fact this idea made me start the topic.It is very sad. Raghu is so sweet and keeps babbling so much that it is very interesting.I cannot remember the babbles of my child when he was less than two.I will send a photoraph ; I thought I had already done so.Here it is difficult to upload a photo.I don't know why.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
6 Mar 12
Not all children are blessed with brilliance . If only parents give a lot of moral support to children and be with them throughout, the children would shape up much better than what they really do.This thought struck me on reading whAT you have written.I wish the boy gets some decent source of income.
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
6 Mar 12
Yes kala, I was actually referring to a lady living here who has 3 children - the youngest son is wayward and has fallen into bad ways, no earning .He is no doubt a constant source of worry for the parents, however, when I talk to him, I have realised that he is very unhappy and wants his parents to understand and help him out .But the parents on the other hand ,instead of trying to talk to him and do something constructive they are so rude to him, the father hits him and sometimes the boy is not even fed properly....I feel so bad for him, because with us he is very sweet and well behaved.. Will wait for Raghu's snap, am sure that he is very interesting now..they are at every stage of their growing years aren't they ?
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@prinzcy (32299)
• Malaysia
5 Mar 12
True enough, if someone succeed, more people would stick to him/her. It's like adhesive glue. Attract more and hard to get them off even if you want to. But if you walk down the failure path, no one want to go with you. People who usually close by were not there anymore.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
Yes.It is the way of the world isn't it? THanks a lot for the participation.
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@marguicha (230349)
• Chile
7 Mar 12
It all depends on how each one of us defines success. It seems to me that people who center their lives in earning money and trying to keep it are always orphans of the most valuable things that life has to offer. When they have it, they are so afraid that people come to them for their money that they don´t let anyone near them. Thus, when they need help, there´s no one around.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Mar 12
True. In another discussion it was said 'it is always loney at the top' . When one gets extreem;ly successful there is a lot of rivalry and unhealthy jealousy also .
• China
6 Mar 12
Sounds interesting and what you have posed here is somehow of great difference when compared with the views of others. so I am interested in discussing this topic. And I appreciate what you have concluded here:a'success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.' so just as an old saying goes, Failure is the mother of success. This is a new look on this issue.
@dilrajj57 (1757)
• Pakistan
5 Mar 12
hi very nice discussion about fathers of success and nor for orphan. that right to many lot of to the side of success and there not any benefit in orphan in this world.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Mar 12
True.I too liked the topic and hence posted it to get different views and experiences.
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5 Mar 12
People talks of those who gets success in life.