Go ahead... make the argument

First of all, the Ryan budget is a BUDGET. Why I am making a big deal of that particular fact? The Federal Government doesn't have one. They haven't had one since the last year of the Bush administration. Criticize it all you want, it is still a step of head of the Senate who under Harry Reid's leadership HASN'T PASSED ONE. Democratic Senate = NO BUDGET!!! Whatever Ryan's BUDGET plan does or doesn't do, it is irrelevant at this point. When it becomes a possibility (due to Harry Reid being kicked out of the top spot in the Senate) then I will gladly debate the merits vs the disadvantages. Until then, Ryan at least put something in writing on the table and up for a vote, that is way further than whatever is in the Senate. Oh, I also suggest directly reading Ryan's budget plan at the Library of Congress in its actual text and going directly to the CBO website and researching the actual numbers specifically on his plan before you respond to any comments on this discussion. One more thing while you are on the Library of Congress website, go look at the Democratic budget proposal for the Senate. (Not the Presidential budget which was unanimously voted down.)

I agree all this is just a plan to hit a man or woman while they are down. It does nothing to help the country as hole. I just wish some of these Republicans would just say we hate poor people. At least then I could understand their point of view. I can all ready hear their point of view, "well if people were not so lazy." My view point is this. There are many people who work there @ss off but do not get paid what their worth is. Lets make things more fair. If I hear one thing about people being paid because they are lazy then get rid of them. All this is from a private sector that is greedy and buys the government. Nether one has much credibility in my book. All this is just a slow and painful firing squad. Yes I said that controversial statement. I am done playing. Lets start calling a spade a spade here.

"...AND renewing the Bush tax cuts." You mean the Obama tax cust don't you? They stopped being the "Bush tax cuts" when Obama put his signiture to them.

for all we care is for the government to cut the budget deficit urgently. the spending the government is doing is unsustainable. we need to cut otherwise another crisis is impending. everyone must shoulder the consequences according to their capacity. i support taxing more the rich and wealthy, and cutting the defense budget.

The Paul Ryan budget sucks “it gives to the rich and takes from the poor. “ I don’t see how any working or poor person could support such a heartless bill. I was just reading and editorial about the Paul Ryan budget and even the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops have condemned this inhuman bill, and have urge the President and congressional leaders to protect programs for hungry and poor people in their decisions surrounding the deficit and debt. Now, who said that the Republican Party wasn’t for big business and the greedy rich? That’s right! They always saying that if we give the rich tax breaks this in turn will create jobs. Where have the Bush tax cut created a job. The Paul Ryan Budget is and evil instrument that will have every working class and poor person standing in the soup line instead of the unemployment line “Rememeber Ronald Reagan government cheese line.”

My question is; what part of BROKE do you all not understand? If the liberals had had some restraint in the past, maybe we could have managed to keep on helping those TRULY in need. Now, everyone is going to suffer because we HAVE NO MONEY and cannot keep printing it and expecting China to wait for us to repay our the money they've invested in our debt. My aunt and mother had a saying, you cannot get blood out of a turnip. Liberals have bled America dry. And they've found a way to keep it going by monetizing the debt, but by doing that, they have sold Americans to China lock, stock, and barrel.

I don't agree with everything that is in the Ryan budget, but one thing is clear. Some government programs need to be cut. We have far too many people dependent on government handouts and government giveaways DO NOT help society. They will lead to the downfall of any society. Just look at what is happening in Greece for example. The Ryan budget is not the answer but we need to revamp a lot of government programs. They just don't make sense. Tax cuts? Why don't we just go to a flat tax and eliminate the need for cuts or tax brackets or the IRS entirely? Or lets just eliminate the income tax altogether and switch to taxing the other end with a federal sales tax. That way, you encourage making money and saving and investing, instead of punishing people for making money by taking it from them as soon as they make it. Let's take a look at Social Security. It was originally designed to provide for people that had no means of support when they retired from the workforce. It was designed to provide enough for basic needs so people wouldn't be out in the cold when they could no longer support themselves. Security for people that had no other means of support. Now it's a full blown government giveaway program and it needs to be changed. I know a guy who will be getting over $7000 per month from his retirement and when he reaches 65, he will get over $3000 per month from Social Security. He also has an investment program which will have over a half million dollars in it for his golden years and that doesn't even take into account what his wife will get from her retirement and HER Social Security. Why does a guy who gets over $85,000 per year from his retirement program plus his investment program and his wife's retirement and investment program even need or deserve Social Security? By the way, he works for a government agency and his wife works in the public school system, so guess who is funding the retirement, the investment programs and the Social Security for these two needy people? You and I and every other taxpayer, that's who. Social Security is a prime example of a program that was designed to provide for the needy and has become a huge, bloated government handout to everyone. Government programs all end up this way. They end up giving money to people who don't really NEED it or don't deserve it. They get it simply because they can. They become dependent on it and then they feel that they deserve it. The government owes it to them. Eventually, all the government giveaway programs will fail because they end up with too many people taking from them and not enough people to pay into them and it's because they can't eliminate the ones that are simply gaming the system for free government money. I will guarantee you that all of the programs you mention are rife with abuse and cheaters that are taking money that don't deserve it or need it. We as a society should help people that truly are in need, but these programs on the federal level are NOT the way to do it. The federal government is too far removed from the people. They can't properly oversee the program to prevent abuse. It needs to be on a more local level or something where it's a more manageable size and scope.

I suggest everyone need to really look at Ryan budget instead of just listening to the left's explanation of. Everything I have read is what the left is saying and I do not believe a lot of it. I need to study the budget closer and see what is actually is. I do know that we are spending multiple of trillions of dollars over what we are taking in. This has to stop or the country will totally be destroyed. Ask Greece, Spain and Portugal. At least the are small enough that the banks were able to absorb their debt. We are big enough there is no one to bail us out. We have to get a budget and balance it out. I have not seen a budget from the left for over 3 years now, just spend spend spend.