Income Tax Rant

@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
November 25, 2012 1:41pm CST
Up until 1913 Americans kept all of their earnings; despite this we had schools, roads, colleges, vast railroads, subways and an Army and Navy and Marine Corp. that managed to win wars. We also had communities that took care of one another, charity organizations that saw to the care of those less fortunate in which the haves were happy to share with the have nots, and our politicians did not leave office richer than when they entered 'public service'. So can someone explain to me why we need to extort money from the American people with the income tax that was suppose to be voluntary and temporary?
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@GardenGerty (156347)
• United States
25 Nov 12
Up until that time we did it because we should do it. We have been so brainwashed since the tax started that we believe the government should do it all, which means in the long run even more taxes. We have quit taking the personal responsibility that used to be our trademark.
• United States
26 Nov 12
..and "government doing it all" is what is (so conveniently) causing government to ever increase in $ize, reach and power..
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
26 Nov 12
Well said.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
And it looks like most of the GOP is going to cave in and allow even MORE taxes to be levied, those of us on the bottom few rungs will bear the brunt of it, in higher costs for the goods we buy.
@mimiang (3760)
• Philippines
26 Nov 12
I hate taxes. I pay different names of taxes namely month , quarter and annual taxes.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
I think everyone on earth HATES taxes mimang.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
26 Nov 12
First with the talk about taxing the rich we should remember that the income tax was only to be a tax on the top 1%, but they found out that was not enough for the ruling class and expanded the tax. Now we are again faced with an increased tax on the rich, which by all estimates will to be enough so look out for the expansion of the tax rates on more working people's income. Why does the government need more money? They need the money to keep people dependent on the government be it welfare or government jobs. If you are dependent on the government who are you going to vote for - the one that will keep the government big and providing for you.
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• Tucson, Arizona
30 Nov 12
Now deb--you know that's the best answer at this point. The republicans should plaster all over the news: 1. They have recanted their Norquist pledge, and are willing to discuss tax hikes --WITH THE SPENDING CUTS THE DEMS AND OBAMA SAID THEY WOULD AGREE TO--but are now saying no to. 2.It turns out the DEMS have signed pledges to oppose any REPUBLICAN efforts as well--why haven't the DEMS agreed to break their pledge? 3. The DEMS and liberals of all flavors are NOT trying to compromise, in the least. so the republicans should announce that since the democrats and the administration SEEM TO THINK they have a mandate, and they can do this without being fair or balanced--fine. They can have it, with a 4 year sunset term attached-- so after four years of abject failure--no one will be able to blame Bush. They need to start becoming more tech savvy, more Facebook and twitter savvy (since the great Campaigner has now launched yet another twitter tag and told the peepul to harass their leaders to give in) and they need to publicize that Warren Buffet, the Democratic poster boy for tax hikes on the rich, has a long record of making decisions based on tax impact--since he is lying through his teeth and saying the rich don't do that. Of course, if the government took ALL of his personal wealth, every PENNY--it would run the government for 9 days or so--which should also be pointed out, everywhere. Actually, the fiscal sneaker wave coming in February/March is more dangerous in ways than this cliff--the government financial reports that came out 31 October (gee, no wonder we didn't hear about them) show we are going to hit the debt ceiling again by the end of the year, or early next year-- just in time for all the early tax refunds and medicare/medicaid reimbursements to go out--- and if that isn't taken care of, we will be defaulting on our bills. The big ranking firms, including Standard and Poors, are already saying if this particular unnoticed "cliff" isn't addressed, they will ALL downgrade us.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
So, we really DO WANT to go over that 'fiscal cliff' and let it crash, and then start over again?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
Are you kidding me, expect the Democrats to own up to THEIR pledges? They promised Reagan spending cuts, AND Geo H.W. spending cuts too.... I say let it all hit the fan. Let it all crash. No one is going to fix it, no one really wants to fix it. DO or DIE.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
26 Nov 12
We need to to support our bloated, inefficient government. If everyone JUST DIDN'T FILE next year-- if 2 million Americans just didn't file (take your money out of the bank first)--what would happen? I'm talking about the people who only pay a few hundred dollars out of pocket, like me--IRS would go after the big guys, but how long would it take them to collect my few hundred dollars? I am all in favor of getting this current mess over with as quickly as possible, and a tax revolt would certainly cause things to happen. Heck, if the top 2% (who pay 58% of taxes) all left in December--just closed their houses, closed their businesses, packed their money and left--that would definitely speed things up. I'm not planning on filing this year, other than the final paperwork for the business. Personal taxes--nope.. As a self employed person, between having to pay all my Social Security, the FICA, the Medicaid tax, I get taxed about 28% of my adjusted income--not as bad as some, but worse than others. Now that we are in the system up to our necks, getting out would be very difficult and painful--revolution at best. But once we were out--then we could work towards getting back on the gold standard, and fixing things. That's what really killed us--thank you Nixon. By the way, did you see my post on retirement--there's another lulu.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
Nah, what started it all was Wilson, and the Federal Reserve Act, and Income Tax Act. Nixon's taking us off the gold standard was just the cap stone. I'll take a look at your other discussion here in a minute.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
26 Nov 12
[b]Power. Well? You really hadda ask? Maggiepie[/b]
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
24 Dec 12
[b]Don't know. We may be too far to get our freedoms back. This might call for a revolution--normal methods don't apply, since things have changed so much. I may not die soon enough to avoid the worst, & given the complete corruption permeating our nation, especially as regards voter fraud, we must fight on all fronts, & all the power is out of our hands. Which is why I look to God to take on the evils in which we're drowning. If there is a single answer to your question. it's this: pray. Maggiepie[/b]
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
26 Dec 12
I've been thinking along those same lines. And from what I'm seeing on social networks, so have many others.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
So HOW do we get POWER back into the hands of the citizen?
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@kingparker (9673)
• United States
25 Nov 12
Not only that, some people are naturally lazy who doesn't want to go to work, they are just sitting there wait for welfare. For those who work 2 or 3 jobs, and paying large amount of tax, that just not fair at all. So, how would you explain that too? I heard that on year 2013, the tax credit and all that benefit will be expired, so the government will tax us more.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Nov 12
I believe that the tax cuts end, which means taxes will go up kingparker, but nice try, I'd love it if we had not taxes to pay.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
26 Nov 12
Why you must be one of those radical nutcases who think we need to slow down the ever growing $ize (and reach) of government! Only about 60% of our money is collected by government when you add it all up! Don't worry we can cut it down to size in reach and power once they get to 80%! No problem, I'm sure the humans in government at the time, and down the roads a piece, will be trustworthy persons with all that power and sway. After all, it's just those underhanded greedy rich folks the benevolent gov is out to raise taxes on. You know the cost won't get passed down to the consumer. And who needs all those jobs anyway, business if killing the planet, why just look how much ice has grown at the South pole! Besides, government has a magic money tree grows right there on the Whitehouse lawn.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
I'm busted! How'd you figure all that out?
@peavey (16936)
• United States
26 Nov 12
Sure, I can explain it. Once the temporary income tax was tasted, it was hard to stop demanding it, so they didn't. As a matter of fact, it whetted the appetite. Kind of like a kid with candy. More, more, more... Why do we need it? Well, how else is the government going to expand welfare? How else are they going to pay ex presidents and congressmen and women the rest of their lives? How else can they wield power over the populace if not by money?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
And who started that, the lifetime income for ex's? Maybe there should be an UNorganized underground economy? NO MONEY spent, or made? Nah, we all don't get along good enough to make that happen. It'll crash first, then those of us who know how, will do just fine without money and banks.
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
27 Nov 12
While I do think that as long as we expect our government to provide services to our citizens taxes are a necessity (although an ugly and unwelcome one), I also think that it is wrong of our government to require us to pay them in the form of buying services that we cannot afford, and do not want....AKA health care insurance (and yes even the supreme court decided that it was a tax). On the other hand, I don't understand why lower income and middle class people should be taxed more than the rich...to me this is simply another example of unfair taxation. If the tax code was revised and made more fair, and the government stopped implementing more new programs that will cost money that our government simply does not have, then maybe it would actually become fair...but I am afraid that I don't see that happening.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
You ever think of running for office? I'd vote for you!
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Nov 12
I replied to a discussion by a member from Pakistan this morning who expressed shock and amazement that our wages were taxed by the government. Then I read your discussion. I mentioned in the other that it's time for a heartfelt but non-violent revolt--we pay our taxes and they are wasted on paying corrupt government officials and other stupid uses.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
You are the second person to suggest such a thing. My, my, my....the spirit of '76 is growing!
@lampar (7584)
• United States
30 Nov 12
Time change everything, including the purpose of inject one self in politic, in 1913, your politicians did not leave office richer than when they entered 'public service' is because of moral value people of high office have is different from today politicians. Public service means to serve the people and the nation above self. In year 2012, the meaning of public service has changed drastically, it encompasses not just serving the public, but also include the accumulation of personal wealth to serve one self. Without all these income tax, the high income government employees and elected officials will have difficulty to have the available fund on hand to keep up with the constantly adjusted cost of living and never ending expanding pay scale they enjoy annually compare to private sector employees.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
So would it be necessary to demand they take a pay cut and for go their pensions? HELL YEAH!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
I say pay them what the median income of the common America citizen is at the time they're in office, and make them pay into social security and if they want...a 401K. Live like WE live.
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
26 Nov 12
I wish I knew! I think it is totaly unfair! I think alot of the income tax money does not go help where it is needed. In some ways it is a joke! If I,and so many others,didn't have that money taken out for income tax,I would be doing alot better then I am! My darn check would be bigger! I am not sure who started this. Who ever did was in idiot!
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
On this day in 1861, Lincoln imposes the first federal income tax by signing the Revenue Act. Strapped for cash with which to pursue the Civil War, Lincoln and Congress agreed to impose a 3 percent tax on annual incomes over $800. As early as March 1861, Lincoln had begun to take stock of the federal government's ability to wage war against the South. He sent letters to cabinet members Edward Bates, Gideon Welles and Salmon Chase requesting their opinions as to whether or not the president had the constitutional authority to "collect [such] duties." According to documents housed and interpreted by the Library of http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/lincoln-imposes-first-federal-income-tax Congress, Lincoln was particularly concerned about maintaining federal authority over collecting revenue from ports along the southeastern seaboard, which he worried, might fall under the control of the Confederacy. The Revenue Act's language was broadly written to define income as gain "derived from any kind of property, or from any professional trade, employment, or vocation carried on in the United States or elsewhere or from any source whatever." According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the comparable minimum taxable income in 2003, after adjustments for inflation, would have been approximately $16,000. Congress repealed Lincoln's tax law in 1871, but in 1909 passed the 16th Amendment, which set in place the federal income-tax system used today. Congress ratified the 16th Amendment in 1913.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
Thomas Jefferson said in 1816: “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” “Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.”—Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
27 Nov 12
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that has been thinking a lot about that! I have no doubt that the Founding Fathers of this great country MUST be rolling over in their graves at the sight of the size of our government today. They were never in favor of the federal government stepping into situations and bailing people out or doing tons of the things that so many in our society feel is the moral duty of the government. The Founding Fathers believed the role of the government was to provide an environment where private citizens were free to build their own success without having it handed to them. People were different and looked out for one another rather than sitting back thinking, "well the government will take care of it". Many "mom and pop" shops were started during those times and people made a living where they were able to provide for their own families and were also charitable in their giving and helping others around them. We have become dependent on government.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Nov 12
I think it is ON PURPOSE, but I get blank stares when I say that. I think we've been duped, taken down and soon to be enslaved...but no one will listen. Kinda like chicken little, but the sky IS falling.
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
29 Nov 12
And let's not forget the fact that more than 50% of the population pay no income tax at all after all the deductions and the majority of those get a refund. The logic of the government is utter nonsense really!
@robspeakman (1700)
25 Nov 12
Who would pay for it all then, if you didn't take part in your moral duty - there is no such thing as something for nothing.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Nov 12
Re read the OP Robspeakman, BEFORE any such thing as income tax....it got done. What needed to be done, GOT DONE. How? PRIVATE ENTERPRISE DID IT.
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