Walking the Wire

@p1kef1sh (45683)
December 13, 2012 11:28am CST
This year I have done all my Christmas present buying online. I feel slightly guilty about this as an increasing amount of people are doing the same and this is causing shops to close putting people out of work. However, I bought an embroidered cushion for my Mother which cost $21 online compared to $60 in the shops. Are you an online shopper? Should we care if people lose their jobs because of our practice?
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23 responses
• United States
13 Dec 12
I love online shopping the most. I sure wish I were not sleeping when the ups lady got to my darn door. I was sleeping today and sure was knocked out the last time. I think people are going to have job offers to work in the ware house of these companies. so,I am not worried about their jobs.
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@dragon54u (31620)
• United States
13 Dec 12
When I first looked at this, I thought it read "I sure wish I were not sleeping with the ups lady." My mind is truly in the gutter.
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13 Dec 12
also at the moment because of the recession you have to look after the best interests of you and family as you said if these people lose there jobs its tragic but we cant do a lot about it. If you can buy items online for about 50% less people will buy online.
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@p1kef1sh (45683)
13 Dec 12
That only works if you happen to live where there is a warehouse.
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@cher913 (25831)
• Canada
13 Dec 12
i have to say although i bought a few things off of ebay, i still love the brick and mortar stores, so that is where i do most of my shopping. i like to see what i am buying and try it on and not just look at a photo of it.
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@p1kef1sh (45683)
13 Dec 12
I like shops. Just hate going round them at Christmas. Saturdays too.
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• South Africa
14 Dec 12
i think you are very interesting
@olliekobra1 (1826)
13 Dec 12
I also buy products online because as you say its a lot cheaper to buy items online than it is in the shops. I dont think the shops can do a lot about it because they are dearer due to tax. Maybe if the government lowered taxes shops can also lower their prices but the government wont do that.
@p1kef1sh (45683)
13 Dec 12
There are many overheads that a shop has to bear which makes it far more expensive than people who sell online from their own homes. Off course, many shops sell online as well as from their premises.
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@Janey1966 (24176)
• Carlisle, England
13 Dec 12
The thing with the High Street is (especially the well-known stores such as M&S, NEXT, etc) it's all a bit 'samey' and they haven't adapted like the internet versions of their shops, ironically. If I can't find something in the shops I tend to go online and buy on there instead. I don't feel guilty about it as I'm usually in the same stores as the ones on the High Street anyway as I don't trust the sizes on the more obscure sites. That said, one thing that annoys me more than anything (and it's happening wherever we buy food) are those self-service tills springing up everywhere. I actually make a point of not using them, convenient or not. In fact, I see more people queuing up to use those than I do at the more conventional tills. The saddest sight was seeing a line of them in the M&S food section instead of a line of people serving customers. That sort of thing is far more threatening to job security (in my view) than internet shopping.
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@BarBaraPrz (37565)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
13 Dec 12
I won't use them, either.
@p1kef1sh (45683)
13 Dec 12
I agree entirely about self service tills. In our local Tesco they have eight tills and one helper. That's seven jobs saved. I always make my distaste obvious if I am asked to use one. I know what you mean about the High St stores too. Left and right hand not communicating.
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@Janey1966 (24176)
• Carlisle, England
14 Dec 12
I tend to panic around those self-service tills as well. It's a bit like the feeling you get when someone is standing way too close at an ATM. I know there is a member of staff keeping people in check but my argument is..he or she could be manning one of the spare tills that are out of action because customers are using the self-service ones...slowly! I've only used one once..never again!
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
13 Dec 12
Realistically, I should be a prime candidate for "on-line' shopping! I live on a very small Island..very limited shopping, two small corner grocers, one hardware store and a Thrift Store, that about sums it up....BUT, I am a bit more "tactile" and can't seem to break that habit! The time and the price of the Ferry fare to get to a "metropolis" for shopping is quite prohibitive...AND I absolutely "abhor" shopping! Shopping, Iguess is not a word one can use for me..as I have a list, know what I want and power thru...so hate the crowds clogging up the aisle's..chitty-chatting and hindering my progress! I just need to learn to trust.."on-line" sites with my personal data, and I am sure that I would enjoy, much more, browsing and carousing, in the comforts of my home!
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@p1kef1sh (45683)
13 Dec 12
I think that a lot of people are cautious about using their credit and debit cards online. However, we use them in stores and restaurants without thought yet they are just as vulnerable there. That said, I only use companies that I can check out. Online shopping does take the heat out of it all though.
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@Bayour05 (63)
• United States
17 Dec 12
I wish i could shop online cause i really do love it you know getting what you want in what you like doing. I don't shopping online is going to be a problem to a local shops not when the internet has been the place for a real bussiness,some local shop will have a website in which you can also buy whatever things you want from them online. So i don't it's going to be a problem. I don't know how i can get started for shopping online any help guyz??
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@p1kef1sh (45683)
17 Dec 12
There are two ways to stop it. One. Lock away your credit cards. Two. Get rid of your computer. Neither is entirely satisfactory! LOL
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@BarBaraPrz (37565)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
13 Dec 12
Some things may be cheaper online, but when you add shipping costs, there really isn't any savings. At least not in my experience. Then there's the waiting for it to be delivered.
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@p1kef1sh (45683)
13 Dec 12
That can be true and the waiting can be interminable occasionally. A judicious balance of store shopping and online can pay dividends. Also, some things are better bought online. CDs etc.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18154)
• United States
21 Dec 12
Ducks head, I have done all my Christmas Holiday shopping on line except for one person and that is for the adopted child I adopted and that is because they needed the gifts sooner. You shouldn't feel bad about it think of all the leg work you didn't have to do..all the waiting in lines or going up and down the aisles searching for something out of stock. I care about their jobs but it also comes down to taking care of your family and getting what you can for the lowest price so you can live and have the things you need.
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@dawnald (84883)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Dec 12
I do mine mostly online too, not even so much because of the $savings as because of the time. But I do try to support local businesses too.
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@MsTickle (25191)
• Australia
18 Dec 12
Times change. Nothing stays the same. One of the biggest costs in retail overheads today is employees. It's not just their wages but the tax, health (insurance like workers compensation etc)superannuation and so on. Employees just do not do enough work to pay their own wages in most cases so retail prices go up...add rent and all the other overheads and you have a huge amount. Online stores don't have these problems so they can therefore sell things cheaper. If people want to keep their jobs they are going to have to work harder for less money and I cannot see that happening. I don't know where it will all end up but I'm spending my money to get the best deal for me, not to keep someone employed. Besides, there is too much profit going to the CEOs of big corporations and the shareholders - it's not going to employees per se. I do what I have to to save a dollar or two and to keep my money in this country. Let the employees look after themselves as best they can like I had to when I was working in retail. Economics is really complicated these days and I can't figure the whole thing out any more.
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• United States
14 Dec 12
I used to be concerned, but now I look at it this way: If I find the same item for half of my budget, that means that I'll be able to use that money in other ways. I try to find smaller companies or individuals to support when possible, instead of shopping big box stores. We need to start supporting small businesses instead of big CEOs!
@p1kef1sh (45683)
14 Dec 12
I love to support local businesses too. However, the sad fact is that most stores in this country are part of large corporations. Directly or indirectly we seem to be supporting them!
• United States
17 Dec 12
That's why I'm hoping that soon I'll have a job so that I can shop on etsy.com. Pretty much everything there is handmade. That's why I stayed up until 1 AM to fill out more job applications, and once I got the computer started, I applied to two more. Don't know why I didn't see these types of jobs before on careerbuilder.com (not an affiliate link!), but suddenly they're popping into my 'suggested jobs' queue, which is fine with me!
@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
14 Dec 12
We adapt. I would imagine you've also created other jobs: your order needed to be fulfilled by someone. And UPS drivers are needed. Just sayin'. It also creates revenue for small businesses who can thrive online and might not be able to afford a brick and mortar place. I love shopping online.
@p1kef1sh (45683)
14 Dec 12
That is very true. But over here are there are stores closing all the time because they're losing out to online sales. The folks that lose their jobs and not being reemployed in warehouses or as delivery drivers unfortunately. But I suppose that somebody somewhere is getting a job so there is a kind of balance. One person's loss is another's gain. But it would be nice if both could be employed.
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@gtargirl (5376)
• United States
15 Dec 12
Totally agree.
• India
15 Dec 12
Hi friend, good to know that you bought things using online. I too buy some thing using online sites, but i am not a frequent online shopper. In this modern trend most of us are interested in online shopping, since we can save our time and money. However lot of people are interested in regular shopping too and continue their activities, so don't worry about the sales persons and normal shop owners
@p1kef1sh (45683)
15 Dec 12
I admire your thought. Thank you.
@Arieles (2473)
• United States
14 Dec 12
I usually don't buy anything online, but if I can save money by purchasing items online then I will. I was thinking about going to the mall, because my 13 year old wants shirts from Hollister. The mall is 60 miles away, so it would cost $20 just to drive over there and back. If I order her shirts online, I won't be paying that much for shipping and handling, save mileage on my van, and I won't be wasting gas. There are very few stores that I would like to visit, so it's better for me if I order online.
@p1kef1sh (45683)
15 Dec 12
That all makes very good sense and is something that I do myself.
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• Bucharest, Romania
14 Dec 12
Este recesiune, tot mai multi oameni isi pierd locurile de munca, mai ales ca piata on-line se dezvolta rapid, felicitari !
@p1kef1sh (45683)
14 Dec 12
Va mul?umim pentru raspuns. Va rugam sa scrie?i în engleza sau se elimina.
@pumpkinjam (8103)
• United Kingdom
14 Dec 12
I tend to do a mixture. If I know what I want and/or if it's cheaper/easier to get online then that's how I will do it. There are other times when I just happen to see something in a shop which someone might like. There are some things I like to make sure I can see before buying them. Sometimes things can look really good on a website but then turn out not to be so good. I hadn't really thought much about people losing jobs. It is sad when some shops close but, in my opinion, if they are good shops run by people who know what they're doing, they wouldn't be so quick to close. I don't mean that about all shops but I have seen buildings which have gone through 3 or 4 transformations within a year or two and I wonder if that has more to do with a lack of planning or patience than with online competition. There are still loads of people who go shopping in real shops. I think perhaps if the whole real shopping experience wasn't so unpleasant, I would prefer to do that. There is also the matter of cost, as you mentioned. Why would someone go out in the freezing cold to be pushed past by crowds in order to buy something which is a third of the price online and can be purchased from the comfort of your own home? Also, I find that I spend more in real shops. It takes up so much more time, you have to plan things and take things into account like if you need to stop for lunch, how long it's going to take to get there and back. At least online, you see exactly what you're spending (and, of course, there is no petrol money or bus/train fare to consider). So I don't know whether we should care about people losing jobs because of shopping online. I mean, would the people losing those jobs care if others lost theirs as a result of their changing habits?
@p1kef1sh (45683)
14 Dec 12
I think that what you say is spot on. It's maintaining a balance. I have just been to a local shopping centre and even though it is a normal work day there is a lot more traffic about than usual. I am rather pleased you got home and to be able to get online and finish up my shopping. Perhaps people do not care if their behaviour affects the livelihood of others routinely. But I think psychologically nobody really likes the idea that something that they are doing is putting somebody else out of work.
@emavs9 (63)
• United States
14 Dec 12
I'll online shop for certain things but never really clothes or shoes since I like to be able to try those on in the store and think it's a hassle having to return things ordered online when they don't fit. Honestly with things I do buy online I really don't feel that guilty. It tends to be so much cheaper sometimes and saves gas by not having to drive to a store (I guess here you could also argue that therefore you're saving the environment! woo!!). Unfortunately I just really don't have the money to pay more than I need to for things even if it is bad for some shops.
@p1kef1sh (45683)
14 Dec 12
I think that the bottom line for most of us is price. If the price is attractive then we are prepared to put up with a certain amount of inconvenience. Of course the great thing about the store is that if something is the wrong size it can often be immediately replaced. Online we have the hassle of mailing it back and the risk that they will send the wrong size again!
@edvc77 (2141)
• Philippines
14 Dec 12
This year too I shop online for my Christmas shopping. It is more convenient for me because I can choose well. In mall, I have my three year old son and I can't really window shop because he walks around and I'm worried that he will be lost so I decided to shop online. :-) I don't think some people will lose their jobs because there are still many people shop in malls. :-) Have a Blessed Christmas to come!
@p1kef1sh (45683)
14 Dec 12
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you too.
@ellie333 (21018)
13 Dec 12
Always one for a bargain and yes if I can find something much cheaper online I will buy it. All year round I do shop locally but the town in the UK has no shops that sell Christmas gifts at all, many are charity shops and for a present I will always buy new, although one of my online purchase I will collect from a shop in my town but they didn't have the item in stock there so ordered online to be purchased from there. Initially the out of town superstores affected the towns but online shopping has increased and has affected so much more. I cannot stand crowded shops so will avoid at holidays periods but other times I will walk round town to the butchers, bakers, green grocers etc and before you say it not the candlestick makers lol. Huggles Ellie :)
@p1kef1sh (45683)
14 Dec 12
I do not mind shopping during normal times. But Christmas is just pure hell! Every year I say that I will be more organised but I never am. XXXX
@RitterSport (2452)
• Lippstadt, Germany
27 Apr 13
hi dear P1ke, I simply dont have much of a choice when it comes to buying gifts. With all the work and long commute I get home when the shops are closed already so what choice do I have apart from buying my stuff online, not only for Christmas but presents in general. I find it very convenient to shop online and I also shop much of my stuff online like my favorite brand of shoes and jeans.