Five of the rapists on December 16 plead not guilty, sixth one is juvenile

@vandana7 (98834)
India
February 3, 2013 3:09am CST
So what that they'd admitted pre-planning it... So what if they'd admitted they'd raped the girl.. I wonder what would be the nature of arguments here... Will they pull out the nature of the girl ...how she mingled freely with other collegemates...so basically she was .."forward" going girl..? or something from her mother's past...As if such things was relevant here.. One argument that could be possible was she'd verbally abused them, which led to them being angered, and reacting...but premeditated rape, and then passing it off as something that enraged...it does not gel for me. So my question is should verbal abuse be considered adequate grounds for provoking rapists...would you have considered it to be so if you were the judge? I dont know if this amounts to poll. :( So chances are that the discussion may be deleted. :( But I do want to know your valuable opinion. Thanks in advance.
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@else22 (4317)
• India
3 Feb 13
Yes,I have watched the news,but the proofs are so solid that I don't think they would be able to escape their due.There are as many as 80 witnesses and one eye witness who himself was the victim and whom they tried to kill.I mean,the girl's boyfriend.I have pondered over all possibilities and I am sure the noose is waiting for all the five demons,perhaps for the sixth,so called juvenile,as well.I would wholeheatedly welcome it as a landmark judgement. But why do you think this discussion is likely to get deleted?
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@vandana7 (98834)
• India
3 Feb 13
The eye witness' account will be considered invalid because he was the girl's friend. That is, even if he actually witnessed the crime. No...there is no noose...there is just 20 years imprisonment...at the most rigorous imprisonment because now this goes under Section 302 of IPC as well. Didnt you read the recommendations of the panel...they didnt even bother to make it a non-bailable crime.
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@vandana7 (98834)
• India
5 Feb 13
There is PIL (public interest litigation) started by some software guy I believe...seeking punishment for this juvenile. SC is considering the age factor of juveniles...however, whether it will be applicable retrospectively remains to be seen. I too would feel very uncomfortable if that guy escapes severe punishment.
@else22 (4317)
• India
4 Feb 13
If it is so,then why the police has made the girl's friend its main witness?However I don't know,I have no idea about the IPC.All I see is that it is a crime that falls under the 'rarest of the rare' category.If the youngest demon escapes the noose,I would not be able to sleep.It would be a blot on our judicial process.He desrves the noose and he should get it asap.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
3 Feb 13
If I were the judge? They would all be sentenced to lifelong confinement in that concentration camp... and there is no definition for the juvenile... he is the one who gets the maximum wrath at the concentration camp as the way I look at it, at such an age he should never have even been near such crimes... There is nothing that can be said to provoke such a crime and these people are insane beyond any doubts and a hazard for the society. Unfortunately, I am not the judge and the current scenario foretells that somehow, these 5 are going to get away with the harshest punishments and that 6th one will go scott free... It is a shameful thing to happen... Oops... sorry, I used shameful... some have been thinking it to be a glorious moment...
• India
3 Feb 13
I think govt ,justice system and media all of them getting mild towards the sixth accused in the name of juvenile.which is not fair.In view of such a brutal and disgusting case..,this case should be considered rarest of rare and the sixth accused should be punished in such a way that it sets an example. Most of the rapes by juveniles are done by children of influential people ,influential politicians,high level officers,etc ....and if tough laws are framed and implemented in this case then their children might face consequences in future if they get involved in such incidents. Now because of weak laws they (children of influential people) escape even FIR because of their influence. That is why those who are responsible for framing tougher laws are afraid...because their children would also face the music
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
3 Feb 13
You've hit the nail on its head.
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@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
3 Feb 13
I haven't heard off this as of this time, where is this incident? which country? back to your question.. if you asked me the kind of "abuse" that the rapists told the court can't be valid arguments. i mean if the girl was abusing them verbally, they can always walk away and just tell her to stop talking such. but then i think never will such be a valid point.
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@vandana7 (98834)
• India
3 Feb 13
This is a very famous rape case that occured on December 16, 2012 in India. As I mentioned in another post, the girl would only resort to abusive language, when she is helpless and frustrated at her inability to do anything. At the most, when she feels such language might send the offender away. Other than that, normally girls do not use unparliamentary language on regular basis. So...based on that...I should think the offense had already started for the girl to have used such language...so it cant be used as a defense now.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
3 Feb 13
Vandy, for the life of me, NO action, NOTHING justifies the brutal raping and murder of that young lady. AND I mean Nothing! Not only was she brutally raped by 6...she was brutally beaten beyond life. Gang violence! WHY is woman considered second class? Demeaned and NOT revered? This is such an appalling incident..I hate even re-visiting it in my mind..as I think of the pain and terror of this young lady! And these men seem to (at least by the News media)seem to be receiving notoriety. In my books, they should be publicly "drawn and quartered! Apalling and disgusting! I pray this young lady did NOT die in vain and that India will evolve to a country of equality for women!
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@vandana7 (98834)
• India
3 Feb 13
pergammano...I dont think the lady was the first to start anything in the episode. First they must have approached the guy, and he must have been absolutely normal, before they provoked, he reacted, and then the lady reacted, and then they started the entire thing. But as one of them had already admitted to the police, they already had a plan to rape any girl...that night. So why are they now trying to retrace their steps. Tell me which policeman would want to do his duty right if, after they do an excellent job of catching the culprits, the law lets go of them. I mean, tomorrow, it can be their wife and children who would be at risk, right? After all, law is being twisted for the convenience of criminals... I dont blame our police force even though the media and other departments came down heavily on them. It is risky to catch a criminal out here - most of the time, it is risky to testify...they can suffer for honesty and sincerity. They dont get promoted as in other parts of the world...they get killed, or their wives and kids suffer...
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@dandan07 (1906)
• China
3 Feb 13
I have heard the news on the internet. I think the rape news in Indian become famous event all over the world, which makes Indian become a dangerous place for visitor, especially to female. I know why so many Indian take part in protect rallies and I hope the law can do the right thing. People's value should also be changed by the event, Indian culture is too hard for women to protect themselves, while to easy to let men rape.
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@vandana7 (98834)
• India
3 Feb 13
How can I say I love my India?
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
3 Feb 13
hi vandy If I were the j udge not not at all poor girl what co ld she do besides abuse then verbally my god how horrible. No I would throw the book at them give them life sentences but first mandate they each have some physical punishment to make them see just how horrid they were to that girl maybe sodomy I just know they deserve to be hurt physically like they did her. grrrrrrr.
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
4 Feb 13
Nothing of the sorts is on cards...there are ample politicians who are rapists...and the justice commission did insist that politicians accused of rape should not be allowed to contest, but that has not been accepted by the parliament. Politicians use the services of unsocial elements during the elections, so when they come to power, these unsocial elements have the blessings of their leaders to do anything including trafficking, and gang rapes. Given this scenario...20 years imprisonment is no punishment at all. Especially because it is a bailable offense, and the case can be prolonged in courts for well over 30 years, by the time the guy is convicted...he would be too old for any punishment.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
4 Feb 13
R*pe is agression, not s*xual,so it could be triggered by verbal abuse. However, that does not jjustify it. Those guilty should be punished to the full extent of the law.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
5 Feb 13
You are right. A female has little to no chance when attacked by more than one male, unless bystanders are motivated to intervene. That is why the population as a whole needs to be educated about women's rights.
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
6 Feb 13
Even one man is too many if the man is well built, and the female is puny...and if the man knows martial arts and if she doesnt know any defending ways.
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
4 Feb 13
As I was mentioning it elsewhere, if the girl does not oppose much it is deemed as her consent or permissiveness, if she opposes ...through physical struggle and verbal abuse because she is physically always at a disadvantage, she triggers aggression...either way...she is doomed...right?
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
3 Feb 13
Latest report said, the rapists denied charges against them. Now it have to be proved they committed the crime. If the girl verbally abused the guys then in no way they could commit such heinous crime. Verbal abuse can not be considered as adequate grounds for provoking rape.
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
3 Feb 13
If you can, pls read the post above yours, and you will know why India is in such a dismal state..
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
13 Feb 13
Oh you misunderstood bhanusb. He meant...it in a resigned way rather than a way of appreciating the present situation.
@webearn99 (1742)
• India
4 Feb 13
The defense team for these men will do every thing possible to keep their necks being stretched by a noose. However unpalatable it is, it is their "human right" to have a fair trail. I am confused as to whether these men qualify to be called humans at all. But then, the judicial system is manned by people who can analyze and hopefully justice will prevail. What maddens me is that as a tax payer, I have to foot their bill for upkeep till logical conclusion. That is the ultimate insult.
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
4 Feb 13
Yes, as a taxpayer, I resent it too. And I think it is the lawyers who are into this...if they win the case, their fee will go up several times. So yes, they will do everything under the sun. I wish these lawyers were humans for once, and suggested that they knew their client is guilty, and therefore, suggest that they pleaded guilty, with some request for clemency. If these guys plead not guilty, they can never be repentant. Holding them back in the prison for 20 years is hardly going to help. Once out of prison, they will try to target more people. How have we safeguarded over citizens?
@surekharathi (14146)
• India
5 Feb 13
I think he is also responsible same because 18 years of age is not small age and now boys understand all things on this age and he was the main culprit of this case. I think he should also same punishment like others. The plan was preplanned.
@vandana7 (98834)
• India
5 Feb 13
I think a boy older than 10 ...if he rapes ...deserves to be punished. Yeah...when the police beat them up, they admitted the truth. Now, with the advocates on their side, they say no.. How can society trust such people once they have completed their term? And how will the police force feel interested in its job, if the convictions are so far and few? I mean they go and bring somebody, and advocate pulls those guys out of jail...the policeman is left staring...hey I worked night and day on this case...and once you leave this guy out...he is going to come after my wife, sister, or kids...who would want that...so lack of convictions make police force weak.
@Kalyni2011 (3496)
• India
3 Feb 13
Is there justice in India? If it is there it has multiple loop holes-enough for criminals to escape.
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@vandana7 (98834)
• India
3 Feb 13
I was also appalled with the recommendations...acid throwing 10 years...at least 10 years plus compensation for physical, and mental treatment, including transportation charges of family members, and also loss of pay of all involved. Have judges lost their sense of justice? I would also put that on par with rape, and 20 years RI and make it non-bailable crime.
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