Idiots at the ER

@celticeagle (160014)
Boise, Idaho
March 15, 2013 9:28pm CST
My daughter and I had a meeting at the school Thursday afternoon about my grandson's behavior over the last month. He isn't doing his work and is causing disruption in class. The teacher is not sure what to do with him since he won't work and she actually had to call in someone to help her with him the other day because he was acting out so badly. To explain to those who read this and are unaware. My grandson is ten years old and has ODD which means he is oppistional,defiant even to the point of aggressive behavior and alot of anger is involved. We have had to call the police because of his outbursts even to the point of charging him with physical abuse on his mother. He is going to court March 22 on this charge. So we are in this school meeting with the teacher, social worker, counselor,psychologist and the principal. The psychologist comes up with this idea to have him admitted to the Pscych ward at the hospital to be evaluated, get a better diagnosis etc. My daughter and I thought this might be a good idea. They would keep him for 3-5 days. So she called the psychiatrist the school used to evaluate my grandson back in April 2012 when they were deciding if this Excell class he is in now would be a good idea for him or not. She(Dr. Germaine) gave the psychologist a list of things to tell the ER people and told her to have us take him there, explain what we needed, and she would call ahead and let them know what the plan was. The Dr. also said that the things he is displaying lately is not something he would do if he was any of the things he was previously diagnosed to have. LOVELY! We sat in the ER room for about ten minutes and then was called right back to a room. An attendant took our information again and I gave them all that paper work we had taken with us and that Lena had copied for us. And told them again that Dr. Germaine was going to call and explain so they'd know why we were there and what needed to be done. They took his vitals, had him do a urine specimen and even took blood. The attendant said the social worker would come in soon and then the doctor would be around to talk to us. After about two hours a social worker came in and ask Josh alot of questions and then us. Then we waited another hour or so and finally the social worker came back in again and asked what we had expected to receive there today. I explained for the fourth time and she said that nothing on the list (one that the psychologist and written for us and that was supposedly nearly verbatim what Dr. G had told her over the phone) was anything they could admit him for. Pretty soon the doctor came in and he explained that this was an ER and they didn't do those things there. (I wanted to slap him). So I explained that we were there at the direction of Dr. Germaine. He looked at me with a dumb look on his face as if to say "OH!" So he goes out of the room as if to get ahold of the Dr. We were also told by some other lady that Dr. Germaine was not on call tonight so she didn't have to return their phone call. I explained that the Dr. was supposed to have called over to the ER ahead of us to let them know what was going on. This lady also told me that she had spoken to Dr.Germaine earlier about another patient and she had not mentained Josh at all then. So we got our discharge papers, signed them and left. What a waste of time! They have directed us to get ahold of my grandson's meds doctor and go from there. So I guess we will get a referral from him and see a psychiatrist and see about getting a better diagnosis. So today I get an email from the psychologist saying she had called Dr. G to see what had happened. Dr. G told her that the social worker had felt this was just a school issue and not something going on at home also. (Even though I had told them about his beating his mother with a plastic rod in August and that he is going to Juvenile Court March 22. And I had told her about the bad anger fits he throws) I told her that wasn't true and what I just wrote here. I am so angry!! We took with us an inch thick pile of papers that the PSR worker had sent to the Psychologist. Also the paper with the list of things we were to tell them at ER that the psychologist had written down that was verbatim what Dr G had said. So I guess she hadn't read any of that. I wonder if any of them did. Looking back they didn't seem to be working together at all. What a waste of 31/2 hours! We were all so exhausted and mad when we left there we got a quick burger and went home and went to bed. I couldn't sleep and finally had to take a sleeping pill. So now we have to hope we can get in next week to see the meds doc, get a referral to a psychiatrist and hope we can get in before the end of the world as we know it. Sometimes they are very backed up. How was your Thursday and Friday?
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
16 Mar 13
wonder why they didnt send you to the phych ward before they did any questions ER tome is a plain pain in the butt I sayt 13 hours there witha iv thing in my arm with nothing attached and really never did a thing I got mad finally and left! And no they probably never read anything. SOrry for you and the boy as it does sound like he does need somekind of help that DOctors arent doing
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
17 Mar 13
HOpe you see a psychiatrist soon before court with him as BEYOND CONTROL he very well could be putinjail and thats not whathe needs also the cuourt may order and pych evaluation
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Mar 13
Cause none of them were working together. We took paperwork nearly an inch thick with us and a step by step list of things the doctor had said to tell them. Yet they sent us away. I think Josh was not acting out and they saw no reason to admit him. Ugh! I will hope that we have better luck with the psychiatrist when and if we can get in to see one. And court is coming too. He is deemed a BEYOND CONTROL youth so we will see what happens there.
@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
I think the scariness of jail may be just what he needs but I doubt the judge will do that. I hope the judge orders a psych evaluation. We'll see. Four more days.
@GardenGerty (157903)
• United States
17 Mar 13
I do not remember much of my Thursday and Friday. It seems like I am working all the time. I was surprised they sent you to the ER and not surprised that they did not help. If he had been actively in a rage, they maybe would have done an emergency psych admission.Maybe would have given him a sedative shot.I do not know what process you would take around here for what you need, but I know people who have had to do that or similar. I also have a friend whose adoptive daughter would go into violent rages and sometimes they had to call all over the state to find a bed for her in a psych hospital. It is scary and exhausting to say the least.
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@GardenGerty (157903)
• United States
18 Mar 13
I hope things work out to the point your household gets the help it needs.
@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
I hope so too. Thank you.
@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
I wasn't really surprised either but I thought since the doctor was directing us there the doctor knew what he was talking about. What a waste of our time! I think that unless he is in the midst of one of his fits the ER wasn't the place to take him. But, again, we were directed by a doctor we thought knew what he was talking about. They have a juvenile place for inpatient stuff here and I thought they would send him there. Now we wait to talk to the meds doctor and get a referral to a psychiatrist for the re-evaluation.
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@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
21 Mar 13
Wow!!! Don't you just love doctors and medical care anymore? Many times I wonder what it is going yo take for them to wake up and see and understand all the things going on and getting help in the early stages and finding out what is wrong with someone sooner will often save everyone some heartache and money later on. Take the example with my leg wound, and it explains where many times unless you are rich and can demand more you play the waiting game until the end and hope for the best from there.
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
21 Mar 13
We were directed there by a doctor and then made to look stupid for going there.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
16 Mar 13
I don't know how it works where you live but on March 22 perhaps the courts will order a psychiatric evaluation. Then maybe the hospital will do something. I can't say I am surprised crap like that happened to me to. My x husband's psychiatrist told me to have my husband committed on his authorization. They sent my husband home. The next day I told the psychiatrist what had happened and he said bring him to my office I will personally admit him for observation and that is what happened.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
17 Mar 13
No you are dumb those Aholes are!!!!!
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Mar 13
The social worker said the next day that it just seemed to be a school situation yet I had told her about his fits of rage and even physically showed her how he looked. I also told her about him beating his mother with the plastic rods. Those things didn't happen at school. Ugh! I am totally disappointed. I feel dumb to have even gone.
@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
The Aholes have it. lol
@artemeis (4194)
• China
16 Mar 13
I am sorry to hear what had happened but I want to ask a few questions which I feel there's something amiss. In the first place, why are you going to the ER when this should be an appointment for consultation with the specialist (Dr G)? I felt that all this would not have happened if an appointment was made in advance to consult the doctor. Now, having said this I felt that the doctor in attendance had misconducted herself when she did not treat this as a special case being that she (I suppose) is the specialist in the field of your grandson's condition. Also, you may want to check with the said hospital is Dr G is really the leading specialist because I am really having my doubts for what has happened here. Especially, when she was so abrupt with her conclusions when such conditions require a few appointments and tests which were absent totally. To me, I feel there's negligence and misconduct from this doctor and medical staff at the hospital's ER. If it is so, I hope you would not hesitate to do what is right and report them to the authorities before they kill someone with their lack of ethics and professionalism.
@artemeis (4194)
• China
16 Mar 13
You may want to check for any online support group with regards to your grandson's medical condition and join it. In this way, I believe you will be able to get first hand knowledge and better recommendations to specialize doctors to help your grandson. You may work backwards by checking with the parents of the students in the Excell class who are dealing with this medical condition. As the ER is for emergencies, I doubt the doctors are there to deal with your grandson's delicate situation and the fault lies with your recommending doctor too, for not doing the proper follow up. I don't feel assured with the whole lot and I suggest you look for a second opinion to compare notes. My opinion of them from what you have related is very poor and I don't trust any one of them. If I may add, your grandson's aggravated condition could be their undoings. Be very careful.
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Mar 13
That is a good idea to see about groups online. As far as the ER ofcourse it is for emergencies but it is also for intake and admission purposes also. And we were directed there by a Doctor. We are going to get a second opinion on his meds ASAP. His behavior is so weird. He can be so charming(as he was at the hospital) and so angry and nasty. It's weird. We do try to be careful and alot of times let him have his way just so he doesn't get too out of control. Which is sad.
@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Mar 13
My grandson isn't seeing Dr. G. That was a one time evaluation to get him into this Excell class at the school. We are going to make an appointment with his meds doctor to then get a referral to a psychiatrist who can give him a more indepth diagnosis. The trip to ER was directed by this other doctor in the hopes that they could admit him to the Psych ward to get this evaluation. The school is having alot of problems with him not doing his work and causing trouble for the other kids. This was an attempt to see if the meds he was on was wrong and get him evaluated. I think that these people at the ER need to work together. I don't feel that they did. I wish that Dr. G had followed through. Since we were going there under her direction I wish she had called ahead like she said she would.
@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
22 Mar 13
The least that the doctors would have done when you cane to the ER was to check on your grandson's behavior. I mean, you wouldn't be there if it weren't something out of the ordinary, right? I guess, Dr. G failed to give them a head's up on the condition of your grandson, lest, he should have been given evaluation.
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
22 Mar 13
The doctor directed us to the ER or would never have gone. Then made us look stupid by not doing what she said she would by calling and letting them know why we were there. I'm not happy with her at all.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Mar 13
oh CelticEagle what an awful time you have had and you telling how violent he wasw and nobody was listening. at times I wonder why our medical system is so screwed up and why the doctors say one thing but do not always do it too.I just wish that the more important things like your grandson and his anger and violence were really attended to.It seems like nobody there was working together at all.They should have listened to this Dr.G but it sounds like they did not get her message. I hope you finally can get this all cleared up as its not something you can slide under a rug so to speak.My two days were not as bad as your although I am pretty sick with the flu and it is h anging on so long. I had hoped to be over this by now but its not as serious your little grandson. I hope something can be resolved for him soon.
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Mar 13
It was a night mare. What a waste of time. Sorry your flu is hanging on. I kept the cough from my cold back in November. The cold has gotten worse. I think it has to do with my being so out of shape. I need to get into the doctor.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Mar 13
About the same.... Any idea what to expect at the court hearing? And what a bunch of idiots!!!
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
21 Mar 13
Ugh! Not really. I am gathering paperwork from teacher and counselor and I have a list of things I want to make apparent to the judge. I hope he will get a good reality check. He was good at school today and when asked why by the teacher he said because of court coming up. So he is thinking anyway. But two days being good out of hundreds of not behaving...?? Next week is Spring Break here. I would like to see him do some time in Juvenile Detention for what he did to his mom. And he will probably get put on probation. Rather than that I don't know what to expect. ER was a fiasco. Funny thing is the social worker emailed me the next day and told me to contact her if I wanted to try again. Uh....no thank you!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Mar 13
so sorry/ i know how it is. my son, youhgest, was like that a lot when he was 10yrs and i figured a lot of it was not having his dad nor any male figure in his life. my oldest sons gf has a similar problem and he also has no father figure in his life as they have a long distance relationship. shes in NY. where is your grandsons father? i never thought to ask before
@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
My grandson's father is right here in Boise. At about two my grandson was taken over to see his dad and to spend the week-end. He hadn't been for awhile so was uncompfortable and got upset. We took him back home. He hasn't seen his dad since then(EIGHT years!!) until this last Christmas and I feel like that was just to show off his son cause they had a big family event that day. He has called his dad a couple of times since then and asked him to come over but his dad just makes excuses. Makes me sick! Poor little guy!
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
16 Mar 13
My Thursday and Friday were a great deal better than yhours. I honestly am at a loss for words and just wish that I could help you in some way. Totally unbeleivable. No script writer could ever make this up. Total inefficiency and now we know why people die as they do not know their a%% from their elbow (as my Irish GM would have said) I cannot descibe the anger I feel. If you do not have money then expect the worst as no one is really helping you and you need help as a family. Just keep copies of all medical records. I don't know your system over there but surelky there is someone to whom you can complain? Just hang in there as this nightmare will end one day. Many blessings to yhou and your family
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
I know of no one. Am letting the doctor(who directed us there in the first place) know. We go to court on Friday so hope the judge will order an evaluation. Or we wait until next month when we see him meds doctor and get a referral to a psychiatrist for a re-evaluation.
@natliegleb (5175)
• India
16 Mar 13
this story is really touching and psychiatrist is putting in so much effort and also the important thing is the idiots are always around us,it needs to be handled on all days
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Mar 13
We hope we can get this figured out. A better diagnosis for my grandson.
• United States
16 Mar 13
They take so freaking long in the ER and you are right. There always seems to be a disconnect. They don't know what to do do they do things they can charge for. I think a psychiatrist will just have to order hospitalization instead of sending to the ER without written orders. I'm so sorry and I understand your frustration.
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
Well the reason for the trip to the ER was to get him re-evaluated and because he is being such a problem at school. I thought we could get him admitted to the Juvenile place we have here and he would be there afew days and they would re-evalutate him, check his meds, etc. I was really disappointed. But the social worker told the doctor the next day that it seemed to be more of a school problem. Yet we had told her about his temper tantrums, his physical abuse of his mother, court coming up, etc. Hospitalization is not really what we wanted.
@vernaC (1491)
• Romania
16 Mar 13
This is the longest topic I've read so far. Seems that you are right, they are not working together or even asking each other about their patients. Looks like everyone has their own diagnosis and it's hard which one to follow. Maybe the next time you go there, you should bring the doctor to have her explain to them.
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@celticeagle (160014)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
Oh, ya right. That would be nice. Our next step is to be referred to a psychiatrist for a re-evaluation.