Falling Angles? Is Angel Have Freewill?

Indonesia
March 27, 2013 1:42am CST
First of all, i don't want to judge, that you are wrong and i am right. I am just confused, in Christianity, demons are falling angels right? So do you think angels have a free will or not??? If they don't have a free will, how can they chose to be falling angel? Or chose to disobey God? If they have a free will, so they do sins too, right? Like us, human?
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
27 Mar 13
Of course they have free will, that was already proven by science.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
27 Mar 13
What do you believe it will happen to you after (and if) you will go to heaven ? Will you still have free will or you will turn into a zombie ? Angels don`t sin because they choose not to, not because they can`t. Same is expected from you.God doesn`t need zombies, otherwise he would had created us as zombies not as beings with free will.
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
Hows that proven by science??? So Angels are sinning too? In Islam Angels are a Holy beings, which never and will never sinned since they don't have free will. And i asked this to Jewish people, most of them answered that Angels don't have free will. Some of them believe demons are seperate entities. And i heard from some Christians too that Angel don't have free will?
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
In Judaism, Angles don't have free will, and in general most Jewish people believe that too. So how can in Christianity Angels believed to have free will???
@Gordano (794)
• United States
27 Mar 13
As Muslims, we are blessed by the final version of God's divine message to the humanity, the Holy Qura'n, and everything in it is clear, so, this make the Holy Qura'n our dependable source of guidance. according to the Holy Qura'n, there is no such a thing called fallen angels, and the Devil is one of the Jin (unseen creatures created from smokeless fire) But the Angels are created from light. the Jin and human beings have free will but Angels always praise and obey the Almighty God, they don't have free will. here are the reference from the Holy Qura'n the Devil (Iblis) is one of the Jin not an Angel see the Qura'n 18:50 The Angels always obey, so they don't have free will see the Qura'n 66:6
• Indonesia
28 Mar 13
Alhamdulillah, salam, and thanks for your refferences, brother. Thats what i believe too. Its clear in Islam. :) I just wonder how can in Judaism (which actually was religion from God before Christianity) teached that Angels don't have free will! But why in Christianity is different???...
@Bluedoll (16822)
• Canada
28 Mar 13
Hello Mylot friends, Please keep in mind that the Qura'n I've not read till now, my book is the bible, yet I seek to understand as well the differences between Islam and Christianity as well as the similarities. Qura'n 66:6 O you who have believed, protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, over which are [appointed] angels, harsh and severe; they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them but do what they are commanded. I understand angels wishing to go in the direction that God wills, for certainly I would want to choose this too. If only I was asked to do something for God, Oh what a privilege this would be. I fail to see how: from this translation why an angel is considered not to have free will for here in the Qura'n 66:6 angels willfully choose to be commanded. thank you for sharing this
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• Indonesia
28 Mar 13
Hello Bluedoll, my friend. I think what Gordano want to show us is in this part: "they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them but do what they are commanded" That statement clearly tell us that Angels will never rebel (or choose to do bad thing) but they are only do, what God command them to do.
@Bluedoll (16822)
• Canada
27 Mar 13
I think it depends on how we define free will? One definition puts the expectation on the word free while the other definition places it on the will. If we simply say free will is the ability to choose then I would say all creatures created by God have free will. This is God’s gift. If we define free will as being in control of events that will take place in the future then this is different. Who can say they can determine or even predict the future? Tell me if you think this is not truth for all.
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
In this context what i mean about free will is remotely about the ability to choose to be good or evil. And sorry maybe as from what i believe, i need to disagree with you. I think Angels don't have free will, they are beings who are created to be holy servants of God. And they are don't do sins. They are like us, knows whats good whats bad, but they are just will never do bad things. Since they are created to be always good (because have no free will)
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
You are right.... Your comments is great, i mean it holds deep meaning, i am still needs to learns lot of things, thats why i am asking this question, so i can understand others belif better, thanks for ur comments. :)
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
28 Mar 13
Angels hasn't free will , God created them to obey Him , the one which they objected when H?e said to them that He will create Adam : 2-30 " When your Lord said to the angels, “I am placing a successor on earth.” They said, “Will You place in it someone who will cause corruption in it and shed blood, while we declare Your praises and sanctify You?” He said, “I know what you do not know.” They said that because when God created the Jinn , there were wars and shed blood .
• Indonesia
28 Mar 13
Alhamdulillah sis, thanks for ur explanation! :) and yes in Islam we have the same teaching as in Judaism, that angels don't have free will. I just confused why its different in Christianity and in Judaism, isn't Judaism is far before Christianity?
• Indonesia
28 Mar 13
Yes! :) and thats one of the reason why I believe Islam is the truth, since on some religion they are changed things so it will not the same with what God really teached before. So that Islam came as the last religion from God, for make clear, which are the right things and which are the wrong. But yea, i respected what their believes.
@else22 (4317)
• India
27 Mar 13
I am a Hindu,and in our holy books it is said that angels,human beings,animals,birds,insects,ghosts etc etc are different 'yoni.'I don't know what the proper synonym for 'yoni' is in English.You may say a yoni is somewhat like a species.Like us human beings,each of the beings in these species is mortal.They too take birth and die.Even deities are from a yoni.None of these has a free will. They have to live and act according to the laws of God.The only one having free will is God,the Supreme Force,the Supreme Creator.Angels remain in their yoni as long as their good deeds performed by them remain effective.Thereafter they fall from their position.
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
Intresting... So you think we human don't have free will too? And i think Angels don't have free will too, thats why i think its impossible for the to became fallen. Unless God already created them to become fallen and go to Hell, which is sounds so scary, if God just created some creatures to destined to go to Hell!...
@else22 (4317)
• India
27 Mar 13
We believe when the good deeds done by them as human beings cease to be effective any longer,they again take birth as a human being.And thereafter their fate after they die depends on what they have done in their lifetime.
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
So do you believe in Hell? I heard Naraka (which actually in Indonesian language used for word Hell) when people will go to Hell if you believe in Hell?
@wapewe (173)
28 Mar 13
I saw in the movie, when good people have passed away. They will become guardian angel for their closest family. But I don't know the truth. Just share what I ever saw.
• United States
28 Mar 13
That's just for entertainment purposes. The bible doesn't say anything anywhere that we become angels. Revelations chapters 4- 7 will clear most of that up for you. It talks of the angels and human being together in Heaven.
• United States
28 Mar 13
My apologies. I shouldn't have said what I first did. I don't wish to push any belief on anyone, but that is what it is if you go by the bible. Maybe some religions believe we become angels. That would be pretty cool if it were true.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
27 Mar 13
I am sure they have free wills before and after fallen, they don't choose to become falling angels, they are cast out from heaven due to bad doing in the name of God and disobedience to him. You can't serve God and Satan at the same time. I can't think of any angel that is like human while at the service of God, they are not human-like except angelic. There is no right or wrong answer to your question, it is all depend on the teaching of your religion. No one is 100% right on this one whenever we talk about divinity and mythology.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
1 Apr 13
Believing in the existence of Jinn, evil spirit, fallen angels or even Lucifer in this earthly world by all religions teaching is nothing wrong, they do present in our real world daily and try to destroy this God created planet by various meant and tools in the past.
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
Thats right, my friend! I think there is no right or wrong, yes it depends on ur religoin teachings.
@cupkitties (7422)
• United States
27 Mar 13
According to biblical stories , angels are just as capable of sin as humans are. Though, I do wonder if they are given the same forgiveness as humans or is it they mess up one time and they're out of there. If so, I also imagine that they are more careful not to do wrong by God.
@vandana7 (93842)
• India
27 Mar 13
Do forgive yourself. When you hate yourself, for a sin, big or small, then chances are you will become more defiant and have a tendency to keep on sinning. But if you tell yourself that god will understand and forgive, then all fallen angels will be accepted by god, including us. :)
• Indonesia
28 Mar 13
Thanks for ur comment. Good saying! God is The Most Merciful, He forgives all of our sins if we repent... :)
• United States
27 Mar 13
They must have free will or Lucifer would have not chose to be thrown out of heaven rather than give in and acknowledge that God was fair.
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
I think if i believe in fallen angels, Lucifer, etc. I think yes they need to have free will since they can chose to fall. I just find its weird why in Judaism, Jewish ppl don't believe angels have free will? I think it would be great if some Jewish here in MyLot can come and explaine it to me. Btw thanks for your answer.
• Japan
27 Mar 13
I think that Christians as well may have varying views about angels, but traditionally demons, yes, would be fallen angels. There are a few books in the New Testament which allude to the angels sinning and falling away from God, especially Jude, II Peter, and Revelation. In Revelation 12:9 it shows the devil, called Satan, being thrown down, together with his angels. That Satan is a leader of angels implies that he himself was originally an angel of goodness. Some of these writings were apparently influenced by the Book of Enoch, which was a writing popular among some elements of sects of Judaism around the time of Jesus. But, many argue that even in Genesis 6 the "sons of God" that descend and take wives of the daughters of men were angels. I believe that angels, although created as servants of God and men, do have free will, just as humans do. One difference is that God holds humans, as his sons and daughters, responsible for the fall. Fallen angels cannot by themselves repent and return to their original positions of goodness. Satan and demons receive their power to exist and act based on the energy they receive from the sins of humans. Conversely, if humans repent of their sins and return to God, they open up a pathway by which fallen angels can be redeemed as well. Most Christians would say that fallen angels are eternally damned, but I think all things, as part of God's original creation, will be restored to goodness.
• Indonesia
27 Mar 13
Thanks for your good explanations. It helps me to know more about Christianity. :)