Bubblews, Rain, and Vicious Herbivores

@TheHorse (207500)
Walnut Creek, California
January 9, 2016 2:40pm CST
Those of you who knew me from "that other site" probably remember that I had an on-going battle with ground squirrels last summer. The kids I work with and I planted corn, green beans, sunflowers and squash in the early Spring, in spite of the drought, and nurtured them well enough that we had a thriving little garden. But as Spring turned into Summer, and the drought continued, the neighboring ground squirrels started visiting our garden. First they ate all the sunflowers. Then the corn and green beans were gone. And finally, they ate all of the squash plants, though the peppery taste of the pants (I tested them) seemed to discourage them for awhile. They even ate the prickly pear cacti that bordered the garden. Even though it's early January, I'm thinking of doing some planting. If the rains continue, and the ground squirrels' normal vegetation continues to thrive, maybe they'll be more likely to leave the garden alone. On the other hand, maybe they'll just wait until our "crops" are large and delicious, and destroy them then. What do you think? Should I give it a try? I can call it an "experiment" and do it in the name of "science." The snow peas on my balcony continue to do well, and I saw some poking through at the preschool this week. I'll attach a picture of the garden near the vicious herbivores right before they started destroying it last Summer.
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
9 Jan 16
Since you are dealing with kids do you want to get rid of the squirrels or deter them from eating your garden? If you tried pepper and that didn't help, you could try a heavy mulch. I think I would get the kids to think about what squirrels eat, not in your garden, and maybe set a couple of bowls of food out away from the garden. PS They also like bird seed if you wanted to sprinkle something different out for them. Personally, if they are eating your garden I think you should have them for supper!
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
9 Jan 16
Okay if you don't want them for supper... Oh, I have heard mint keeps a lot of critters away. Growing up we never had a problem with squirrels getting into our garden. We had groundhogs but no squirrels.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Jan 16
@mommaj I used cayenne pepper last Spring. It worked for awhile. But when the squirrels got desperate, they didn't care. You can see some of the cacti they ate in the photo.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Jan 16
I've thought of teaching the kids how to plink ground squirrels with my .22, but I think I'd be fired pretty quickly, not to mention be arrested.
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@BelleStarr (61047)
• United States
10 Jan 16
I think you need to plant marigolds around the edge, it discourages many other animals.
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@Juliaacv (48633)
• Canada
10 Jan 16
I did a search on this, and one site suggested putting some mothballs in a leg of pantyhose as squirrels don't like that scent. There were a few great suggestions that I found including the use of garlic.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
I think I may have heard it works with deer. I worry that the ground squirrels would just eat the marigolds. But maybe I'll give it a try.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
@Juliaacv I'll have to look for that. Would one sack of mothballs do? Or do I have to put them all around the edge?
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@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
10 Jan 16
Of course you should plant some more this year. Those squirrels will be looking forward to the annual meal that you provide.
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@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
10 Jan 16
@TheHorse Get them fattened up ready for a good feast.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
Sigh. If I'm contributing to good eating among local squirrels, so be it.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
@Asylum Exactly. I think I'll go for some nice grain. Grain-fed beef is good. Why not grain-fed squirrel?
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@LadyDuck (460346)
• Switzerland
10 Jan 16
I remember very well the vicious squirrels. I would give a try, do this like an experiment. It's raining from two days, finally the ground is soft enough to plant some potatoes and spinach.
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@LadyDuck (460346)
• Switzerland
11 Jan 16
@TheHorse I plant directly in the garden. Spinach are winter vegetables and the potatoes will stay dormant in the ground, but ready to sprout at the end of the winter.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 Jan 16
@LadyDuck Thanks. I think I will turn over some more soil tomorrow at work and think about when to plant some squash, corn, green beans and sunflowers. There is lots of green all around out there for the ground squirrels.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
Are you going to do it now?
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@garymarsh6 (23393)
• United Kingdom
10 Jan 16
You could plant peppermint or capiscum, chillies something that might deter them. You could always spray the area with vinegar but not on the plants. What about those little wind things you see at the sea side it may be enough to distract them and frighten them off with their constant movement?
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@garymarsh6 (23393)
• United Kingdom
10 Jan 16
@TheHorse Vinegar can be used for so many things from cleaning to deterring pests. It is brilliant as a window cleaner too although make sure you scrub up after you have used it and have a hot date!
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
Thanks for the suggestions. I hadn't heard about vinegar.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
@garymarsh6 I take it vinegar does not work as cologne.
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@teamfreak16 (43419)
• Denver, Colorado
12 Feb 16
I once spent a couple months living in a veteran's home. We had a squirrel that would come around, and we'd feed it bananas and other fruits. The lady who ran the place hated the thing and would get on us about feeding it. Luckily, we didn't have a garden.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
12 Feb 16
Glad she didn't have a .22 and a dark heart.
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@celticeagle (159936)
• Boise, Idaho
10 Jan 16
Why not? You wil only find out if you try. Maybe a border of something they don't like around the garden.
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@celticeagle (159936)
• Boise, Idaho
10 Jan 16
@TheHorse ....Marigolds? I've heard they keep pests out but maybe just bugs.
@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
If they'll eat cacti, won't they eat anything?
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@allknowing (130292)
• India
11 Jan 16
Is there no way you can stop those squirrels from attacking your crops. As long as they continue to visit you there is no point in working in your garden.
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@allknowing (130292)
• India
11 Jan 16
@TheHorse Then you should create some greenery in the field next to you garden and then perhaps plan your own plantation - just a suggestion.
@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 Jan 16
They live in the field next to the garden. They didn't attack the garden until there was nothing green left in their habitat.
@pgiblett (6524)
• Canada
9 Jan 16
I encourage you to give it a try, maybe this year you will have better luck.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Jan 16
I am leaning toward giving it a try. It's fun to watch the garden grow, even if it gets devoured before harvest time.
@pgiblett (6524)
• Canada
10 Jan 16
@TheHorse I think the devouring by the animals last year may have been because of the drought, maybe the rain will cause other people to grow things and they will not attack yours so much.
@LeaPea2417 (36580)
• Toccoa, Georgia
10 Jan 16
Yes, I would go ahead and give it a try, and experiment.
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@LeaPea2417 (36580)
• Toccoa, Georgia
11 Jan 16
@TheHorse If you have a sun room, it is a nice place to start planting seeds indoors during the coldest weather. Then in the Spring, the small sprouted plants can be transplanted outdoors.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 Jan 16
I can't stop myself. I'm going to keep the experiment going.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 Jan 16
@LeaPea2417 Alas, I don't get a lot of sun in my place. But I may try some starts inside, just to see what happens.
@Juliaacv (48633)
• Canada
10 Jan 16
I do think that I would try it again. I wonder if there is a way of deterring the squirrels, a little fence made out of chicken wire or planting peppermint to keep them away. Good luck, keep us updated!
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@Juliaacv (48633)
• Canada
10 Jan 16
@TheHorse Using the coyote pee would make me concerned where the run off would go when it rains. If it got to the roots of the garden plants that wouldn't be such a good thing.
@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
Maybe I'll try peppermint of some sort. These are ground squirrels, so they'd probably dig under any fence I erected. I've seen coyote pee recommended, but I'm not sure even that would deter these critters.
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• United States
10 Jan 16
the lil wee critters were jest hungry, hon. i'd sure be doin' me some plantin' 'n figure a way to keep 'em out.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
I'm hoping a wetter year will give the little critters a greater selection.
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• United States
10 Jan 16
@TheHorse me's well. 'r, ya could jest box 'em up 'n send 'em here. i miss the lil darlin's myself. perhaps toss me in a couple'f squirrels, too?
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 Jan 16
@crazyhorseladycx Look fer a package. I'll send you some snow peas, corn, rainwater, and a couple of fattened up squirrels, along with my vinagrette marinade.
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• Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
9 Feb 16
Go for it, squirrels are going to do what they do. Last spring I had these medium size holes in my backyard, I imagined everything from gophers to a new breed of giant rodents. My neighbor told me the squirrels were digging up food (nuts?) they had buried before the winter.
• Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
10 Feb 16
@TheHorse. Hey, Animal Lover. To you they would have been cute , to me they looked like a scary movie was being filmed in my yard .
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Feb 16
@sherryericha Maybe they're like the "it's just a bunny" bunnies from that Monty Python movie.
@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Feb 16
Were the hole deep, as in entrances to massive tunnel networks? Or just cute little holes?
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
10 Jan 16
I should lend you Baloo, the world's greatest squirrel slaughtering cat.
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@RasmaSandra (74114)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
10 Jan 16
@TheHorse well if I were you I would give it a try but with one difference. Our neighbors here had problems this summer with big rats not squirrels and when they planted new crops they put a light netting around the beds I just don't know how it really works but this netting covered the beds and the rats didn't bother the crops. You can search online there is something even called raised bed crop protection gardening. Just saying.
@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
Can I hire Baloo in a couple of months? I pay with the finest kitty food
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• United States
10 Jan 16
Wow, have you looked up online on ideas to keep these squirrels out of your garden? I know the squirrels we have, they were horrible about getting my apples and years ago a member here suggested I tie aluminium pie pans on some of the branches, because a slight movement would make them bang together, scaring off the squirrels.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
Thanks. Yes, I've done a lot of research. When the drought was really bad, nothing seemed to stop them.
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@shshiju (10342)
• Cochin, India
11 Jan 16
Your enemy to farming is ground squirrels so try to catch them.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Feb 16
If I caught maybe ten a day, I'd be there for years.
@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
10 Jan 16
As part of the "experiment" @TheHorse , you could always grow some veggies in an area with a sign saying, "Squirrels Only" and see if they fall for it. LOL. I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
Heh heh. Reverse psychology on squirrels. Well, they've outsmarted me so far...
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@cintol (11261)
• United States
10 Jan 16
Its worth a shot, what have you got to lose. If your lucky your plants will grow by time summer gets there and you can pick and enjoy them before the squirrels do.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Jan 16
That's sort of my plan. Get started early, while the grasses are green and the squirrels have plenty to eat.
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@Telynor (1763)
• United States
12 Feb 16
My partner J refers to squirrels as Tree Rats. Between them and the deer, we can't do any sort of gardening.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
12 Feb 16
Deer ate a lot of my plants when I Lived in a house in Orinda. But they can't get onto my balcony, and they don't live out near where I work. But the Ground Rats are there and lurking. We'll see what happens with the rainier Winter.
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@Kboy26 (143)
• Columbia, South Carolina
19 Feb 16
I would give it another try. I think you should do your research about protecting your garden first.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Feb 16
I did a lot of that last year. Cayenne pepper. Coyote pee. A fence would be too much, and might not work, as ground squirrels burrow.