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@DWDavis (25797)
United States
March 24, 2016 2:53pm CST
But that's not what I want to talk about. Do you think the warehousing of our children in day care centers and after school programs where they are watched over, but not parented, is part of the growing problem with children's poor behavior and achievement at school? Should we, as a nation, be leaving so many of our children to grow up in day care centers instead of in our homes? Most day care workers do love and care for most of the children in their care, but they cannot replace parents. What is the solution? Is there a solution?
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• United States
25 Mar 16
I never had kids, so I can't answer that. I just don't understand why those who can't wait to have a baby they have to rush right back to work to get away from it.
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@pgntwo (22405)
• Derry, Northern Ireland
26 Mar 16
It seems so wrong, doesn't it?
@flapiz (23530)
• United Kingdom
25 Mar 16
I think warehousing could be a factor but I think it's highly more attributed to lack of parental discipline rather than warehousing. Warehousing is sometimes really indispensable in this crazy economic positions we're experiencing today. It's not bad but when parents start to think that warehousing could do everything for them that's when it's bad. Parents should still take time to talk to their kids after a long days work and take them out when they're free. Warehousing is there to assist working parents but it doesn't replace parenthood. Parents should be aware of this.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
25 Mar 16
You have touched on an important point. Here in the US, many parents, especially in the lower socio-economic strata, have abdicated responsibility for raising their children to day care and the schools.
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@flapiz (23530)
• United Kingdom
25 Mar 16
@DWDavis Being busy working is never an excuse to poor parenting. If only these parents who abdicate their responsibilities can see the consequences of their actions and the face of the future they might have a change of priorities.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
26 Mar 16
@flapiz My wife and I never let our busy work schedules keep us from being involved in everything our boys were involved in from sports to Scouts to school activities. Our sons' friends parents were doctors, lawyers, CPAs, and business executives. Somehow they found time to be there for their kids too. So we have very little patience for parents who claim to be too busy to be part of their kids lives.
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@Hate2Iron (15724)
• Canada
27 Mar 16
I'm sure that some people haven't any other choice with more and more households requiring two parents to work full time. I don't think that things will every go back to mom staying home permanently to take care of the little ones.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
27 Mar 16
I don't think they'll go back either and I think the government wants it that way. It gets the kids into pre-schools and schools much sooner so they can be indoctrinated into the idea the government knows what's best for them better than their parents do.
@pgntwo (22405)
• Derry, Northern Ireland
25 Mar 16
I think the rot starts early - family is a way of life, caring for children in day care and the like is, bluntly speaking, just a job. Parenting is a full-time job, but many western governments would have you believe otherwise - you are "economically inactive" if you're a stay-at-home parent... why?
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
25 Mar 16
Stay-at-home parents *don't* (left out the don't the first time) earn taxable income and governments will use any propaganda they can to convince people to become active taxpayers.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
26 Mar 16
@pgntwo Getting the kids out of the home and into the "system" as young as possible allows the government to indoctrinate the kids into looking to the government rather than their parents for guidance and leadership.
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@pgntwo (22405)
• Derry, Northern Ireland
25 Mar 16
@DWDavis And handing over responsibility for the child to a (qualified) stranger is meant to help society, or the next generation of it, how? (I'm trying to find out if my thought process is flawed, it's not mean to sound like an interrogation!)
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@paigea (36143)
• Canada
24 Mar 16
My parents always both worked. I am in my early 60s. Our babysitters were like family but our parents were our parents . we still spent lots of time with them. We were well behaved and all went on to higher educations and grew up to have a good work ethic. So in my humble opinion it is more than whether a parent stays home.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
24 Mar 16
Did you have a babysitter in your home, did you stay at the babysitter's home, or did you stay at a daycare center? I think it makes a world of difference if the children are cared for in their own home by a dedicated au pair or nanny.
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@paigea (36143)
• Canada
25 Mar 16
@DWDavis We were cared for at home once I was about 2and my older brother was 8. Before that we were at a babysitters house. I don't think there were day care centres 60 years ago.
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@miniam (9151)
• Bern, Switzerland
24 Mar 16
People have no choices really,the jobs we do dont pay enough so most of the time both parents have to work.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
24 Mar 16
I didn't realize it was so in Switzerland, also. It seems to be the case everywhere in the developed world these days.
@miniam (9151)
• Bern, Switzerland
24 Mar 16
@DWDavis l think our biggest problem here is the high cost of living,we earn well $25 Macdonalds worker(maybe abit more or less,but this is the cheapest paid job),but if you have to pay over $1,800 for a 4 room apartment then the money does not go very far. Grocery is definately not cheap either
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@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
25 Mar 16
When I was a young mom, needing to earn some extra money, I had a home daycare. i think I did pretty well. One reason I did it is because I did not like the big day care centers that were more institutional. A home day care is not the same as home, but it beats a daycare center.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
26 Mar 16
I agree completely. My mother ran a home daycare when I was ten or eleven. When my youngest sister was old enough to start kindergarten, my mom closed her home daycare and took a part time job that let her be home when we got home from school.
@zebra2222 (5268)
• United States
26 Mar 16
Parents have tough choices. They need to work, but many jobs don't pay a lot. Caring for children is very expensive. Staying at home just isn't an option with many families.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
26 Mar 16
I've know teaching colleagues who, when they had their third child, realized that once their spouse recalculated withholding at married claiming five and the amount they would save on daycare and other related expenses to having my colleague keep teaching, it made more sense for her to stay home than to work. Of course that's based on NC teacher pay, which is among the lowest in the nation.
@Teep11 (7673)
• United States
24 Mar 16
Sometimes daycare centers can be beneficial. It allows the children to be sociable and interact with other children their age. Not all children's behaviors are a result of parenting and children doing poorly in school and have to do with a number of things. Statistics wil tell us what's what.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
24 Mar 16
I have studied a lot of those statistics and you are right. However, many daycares don't help the children learn to interact in a socially appropriate way. The adults do not have the time, with so many to care for, to model and enforce appropriate social behavior.
@TheHorse (238338)
• Walnut Creek, California
25 Mar 16
No, I don't think that's the problem. In most preschools and after school programs, kids get a lot of love, projects to do, or coaching. But I do think a lot of the problem is bad parenting.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
26 Mar 16
I agree about the bad parenting, and daycare and after school programs have improved a lot over the last ten to twelve years. Here in NC, they started requiring day care providers to be qualified and licensed, which had not been in affect before. Prior to that, most of the daycares I visited were basically of the warehousing mentality with very little structure and minimum supervision.
@Morleyhunt (21741)
• Canada
24 Mar 16
I was a stay at home mom, and when I returned to the workforce I scheduled around my children's school hours. I think it is important for children to be parented by their parents.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
24 Mar 16
I wholeheartedly agree. That is one of the many reasons I left public accounting. 60 hours a week or more most of the year and 70+ hours a week during tax season left me no time for my sons. I've never regretted my decision.
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@Dena91 (17039)
• United States
25 Mar 16
It is sad that our society has come to this that there has to be before/after school programs or day cares. With so many single parent homes or two income homes so they can make it these places had to come to be. I believe it most definitely has an affect on the children and that is why we see so many rebellious kids nowadays. Have a blessed evening.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
25 Mar 16
It was a vicious cycle that began decades ago. As the stay-at-home parent started working part time to bring in some extra money, businesses began to raise prices and governments began to raise taxes to take advantage of this. Thus, just to be able to afford what one income used to buy, more stay-at-home parents had to find work, which led to a second round or price and tax increases, and so on.
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@JohnRoberts (109841)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 16
I understand where you are coming from but with so many single parents and even both parents who need to work to support the kids this has become the way of the world. If one says the solution is for mom to stay at home and assume her "role," you would be called sexist and old fashioned. Perhaps the solution is to be a good attentive instructive parent spending as much time as possible with kids.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
24 Mar 16
I don't think the mom is always the one best suited to spend time with the kids. In my personal case, I think me letting my career in accounting go to be able to spend more time with the boys while my wife continued to advance in her corporate career made a lot more sense. Being a teacher let me have a fulfilling occupation and let me have as much time with my sons as they needed. I do agree with your solution that, with the realities of today's world, parents should spend as much time with their children as much attentive and instructive time with their children as possible.
@teamfreak16 (43640)
• Denver, Colorado
24 Mar 16
I don't know if there is a solution, honestly. But I do know that our neighbour's eight-year old likes it because she gets to interact with other kids instead of just adults. She even comes down and hangs out with us a lot, but we have no kids to play with.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
24 Mar 16
After school programs for school age children are not a bad idea. I'd like to see more extra-curricular activities offered such as 4-H and Scouts at elementary and middle schools.
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@sjvg1976 (42727)
• Delhi, India
24 Mar 16
In India things are much better. Here we don't believe much on day care services also the cost of living is not that high and in most of the cases only one from husband and wife is working so another one is free to take care of children at home.
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• United States
24 Mar 16
I think the only solution that comes to mind for me is companies somehow adapting to parents need to be there for their children after school. I am not sure if that will ever happen sadly.
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@nanette64 (20363)
• Fairfield, Texas
25 Mar 16
Parents need to become parents again @DWDavis . Either that, or don't have any.
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