Is This App a Breach of Privacy?

The neighbours house I see out my window.
By Val
@valmnz (17095)
New Zealand
May 23, 2016 11:36pm CST
I believe strongly that a person's financial status is entirely their own concern, and is nobody else's business unless they choose to disclose it. Consequently, when I read today of an app being launched here in New Zealand I was somewhat taken aback. This app enables people to find out how much their neighbours sold their house for, or how much they paid to buy a new house. I can understand government valuation prices being revealed, but sales prices? Surely this is a breach of privacy, unless people have signed an agreement to reveal such information? I'm not in the real estate market myself at the moment, but I can see this information causing stress for many people who don't wish to disclose how they spend their money. What do you think? Is this a breach of privacy? Does a similar thing happen in other countries?
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• United States
24 May 16
sadly, such's available to the public here'n the u.s. all a person's gotta do's look'n the public records. i'd ne'er thought'f such 'til a gal'n the highway was tellin' me 'bout her snoopin' :(
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
And sadly, that is what will happen, people snooping on each other saying, ah, I wonder how much they paid for that.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
25 May 16
@crazyhorseladycx remind me to never make me mad
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@jaboUK (64346)
• United Kingdom
24 May 16
I would have thought that house prices were in the public domain anyway? You only have to go onto estate agents sites or look in the local paper to see them. Though of course they would be the asking prices, not what was actually paid.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
Yes, I knew GV figures are publicly available, but it seems the actual sales price is also readily available too.
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• Preston, England
24 May 16
Pretty intrusive though quite a few websites access estate agents files and give out house value / price details for many housing areas in the UK
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• Preston, England
24 May 16
@valmnz most neighbors on estates of identikit housing will have houses of similar design or value unless some add extention work, build patios and pools, etc.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
@arthurchappell a lot of our hpusing here is built by independent builders, giving quite a bit of individuality within a street or suburb.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
I'm now thinking it was the way the news item was worded that annoyed me! Suggesting people could pry into their neighbours affairs and such.
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@yukimori (10192)
• United States
24 May 16
Such things are public record where I'm located, so it doesn't seem like a breach of privacy to me. Many times Realtors here will use 'comps' and prices of similar properties in the same area to determine an appropriate selling price for a property or home. The local government keeps records of all sales prices and transfers of ownership, and most counties' records are searchable online. They include things such as sale dates, prices, and even annual taxation information along with the property owner's name and address.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
I did wonder if it happened elsewhere. Thanks. But I still don't like it.
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@Inlemay (17712)
• South Africa
24 May 16
not that I know of here in South Africa, but you give us cause to research what is happening in our home countries.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
I'm discovering this has been going on for quite some time all around the world.
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@sunrisefan (28524)
• Philippines
24 May 16
It seems it's a breach indeed, Ms. Val. BTW, your photo shows the typical type of roof overhang in NZ homes. That's one of the things that caught my attention there - your roof overhangs are only about a foot. Ours here in our country is about a meter wide. So, when it rains, the water will have the tendency to seep into the windows.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
That house was built in the late 19th century, and is not typical now of where I live
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
@sunrisefan I guess it depends on the age of the house and where in the country
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@sunrisefan (28524)
• Philippines
24 May 16
@valmnz But many of the houses I've seen there have similar overhangs to that :) Anyway, I'm straying away from your topic hahaha! Sorry :)
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@celticeagle (189927)
• Boise, Idaho
24 May 16
It would be nice to know if you are putting your house on the market. I think it is a breach of privacy.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
Apparently others don't see it like that.
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@celticeagle (189927)
• Boise, Idaho
25 May 16
@valmnz ....That's nothing new. LOL
@topffer (42155)
• France
24 May 16
It is publicly available here and I do not see this like a breach of privacy : it is a useful information to know the price of houses in a given area when you want to buy or sell a house. Speaking of a breach of privacy, anybody here can go to the tax office and ask to see your tax report. It is only forbidden to publish it in a media.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
It seems I've been a bit naïve about what actually is already available here.
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@Jessicalynnt (50523)
• Centralia, Missouri
24 May 16
if the app can access the numbers, then I am guessing those are a matter of record. I know that one can easily find in america what a house was bought and sold for, it affects neighborhood pricing, having an app compile that isn't too far a stretch. Seems private, but it's really not
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
Yes, I'm now discovering this is quite the norm.
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@xFiacre (14790)
• Ireland
25 May 16
@valmnz I'm with you on this. Not only do I not want others to know my financial business but I don't want to know theirs either.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
27 May 16
I don't mind listing prices and GV being revealed, but do think final purchase price is a little over the top
24 May 16
I have seen that it usually is easy to find out what houses sell for here too in the us.... I would think it would be private too, but yeah, i think it's public record.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
Ah, I just messaged you saying I'd accidentally deleted this, but now I've found it again!
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24 May 16
@valmnz No problem! :-)
@just4him (323168)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
25 May 16
I don't know if it would be a breach of privacy. The sale price for the house would be clearly listed for all to see. So people would know the person buying it would have spent that much for the house or what the counter offer was when sold. It doesn't sound like the app is divulging any private information found only in the person's bank account. I could be wrong, but that's what I see from what you've written.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
25 May 16
Yes. I know the listing price is public, but often houses go under tender. However, it seems this divulging is common practice.
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@paigea (36143)
• Canada
24 May 16
The realtor's websites I look at show what all the properties sold for. Not sure if the app is adding more information than is already out there?
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
I've decided I've had my head in the sand not already knowing about what is already public information.
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@bwjsdems (496)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
I think it must be the way they word the article as previous sale values of a property are available on the QV site - but it's property information not personal information. If you want to get the legal owners name or the sale price (if it is less than about 6 months ) you have to pay for it. Real estate agents provide sales prices for similar types of properties when they do a valuation.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
It seems I've been a bit ignorant about all this, being nearly twelve years since we last purchased a property.
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• Philippines
24 May 16
I haven't heard of them, and I think we don't have apps like that in my country. What is the app for, and why would anyone need an app like that? I wouldn't be comfortable about it too. I agree that it's a breach of privacy.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
I imagine it might be so people can judge the value of your own property
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@Jackalyn (7558)
• Oxford, England
24 May 16
I think most of this information is already available online. I found this out when doing my family tree. It was interesting to see how much the houses of my ancestors gained in value. I am going to ask my sister who coincidentally has the status of being one of the top NZ newsagents what she thinks. I agree though that it does seem wring as it tells you about someone's financial status.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
Tell her I read about it on "Stuff" and it's being released by TradeMe.
@JudyEv (382408)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 May 16
I think this is a breach of privacy too. I would be really annoyed about this - but I don't know what can be done about it.
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@valmnz (17095)
• New Zealand
24 May 16
As I said below Judy, I wonder if it is so people can judge what the market value of their own similar homes might be.
@trivia79 (7827)
• El Segundo, California
24 May 16
really? such specific information?
@RubyHawk (99367)
• Atlanta, Georgia
27 May 16
I believe anyone can go to the real estate tax office and look up all this information. We did once when buying land. It's all open to the public. I think it might also be listed in newspapers. There is very little privacy.
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